New 35x12.50x17 Toyo MTs

[DRTYFN]

I couldn't stand it any longer. I had to try these new Toyo MTs. As most of you know I'm a bit of a tire packrat. I've got a set of brand new stock BFG ATs on stock wheels, a set of 37x12.50x17 Iroks on black stock wheels, a set of siped stock BFG ATs w/o wheels and a set of 37x12.50x17 MTRs on black wheels. The MTRs were getting down to the 50-60% tread range so I figured it was time to try some new tires(in anticipation of the next Moab triphttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). I've been hearing great reviews on the Toyos so I called up my local Les Schwab store and ordered a set.

I was surprised to see that the 35" Toyo was as tall as(if not slightly taller)the 37" GY MTR. The Toyo also looks wider because of the tread design and sturdier outer lugs. The Toyos look more aggressive than the MTRs, but ride as quietly as the stock BFG ATs. Directional stability is much improved over the 37" Iroks and a bit better than the MTRs.

I took the following pictures to show the flex of an aired down Toyo MT vs a GY MTR. Both were aired down to 15.5psi.

[DRTYFN]

I couldn't stand it any longer. I had to try these new Toyo MTs. As most of you know I'm a bit of a tire packrat. I've got a set of brand new stock BFG ATs on stock wheels, a set of 37x12.50x17 Iroks on black stock wheels, a set of siped stock BFG ATs w/o wheels and a set of 37x12.50x17 MTRs on black wheels. The MTRs were getting down to the 50-60% tread range so I figured it was time to try some new tires(in anticipation of the next Moab triphttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). I've been hearing great reviews on the Toyos so I called up my local Les Schwab store and ordered a set.

I was surprised to see that the 35" Toyo was as tall as(if not slightly taller)the 37" GY MTR. The Toyo also looks wider because of the tread design and sturdier outer lugs. The Toyos look more aggressive than the MTRs, but ride as quietly as the stock BFG ATs. Directional stability is much improved over the 37" Iroks and a bit better than the MTRs.

I took the following pictures to show the flex of an aired down Toyo MT vs a GY MTR. Both were aired down to 15.5psi.

[DRTYFN]

Toyo MT @ 15.5 psi against a curb.

[DRTYFN]

MTR @ 15.5 psi.

[DRTYFN]

MTR @ 15.5 psi against curb.

[DRTYFN]

Take into consideration that the MTRs have been used quite a bit and the Toyos are brand new.

When I get around to it I'll show the Iroks, too.

[H2Finally]

Oh great! Just great! Wanna bet those pics makin the Jeepforum rounds asap -- "Look! H2 offroading... on a curb!!" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[H2Finally]

J/K! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Great comparo. You sure they're same size? The Toyos quieter though huh?... hmm... anyone need a set of BRAND NEW MTRs??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

And then there will be <span class="ev_code_RED">HELL</span> to pay!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
J/K! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Great comparo. You sure they're same size? The Toyos quieter though huh?... hmm... anyone need a set of BRAND NEW MTRs??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They're VERY quiet. I'll be off-roading in the next couple of days to try them out. Stay tuned for the review.

[rodster]

Looks good! Dang, just when I thought I'd made up my mind about the IROKs you go and get these.

Why 35s and not 37s? How tall are the Toyos compared to the IROKs?

[DRTYFN]

I'll check tomorrow. But the Iroks are super tall.
I went with the 35's because the 37's only come in a 13.50 width and those would rub like Oprah's thighs rushing to a buffet.

[rodster]

Think I just answered one of my own questions. Looking at Toyo's website it doesn't look like the 37s will fit a stock 17 rim?

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I'll check tomorrow. But the Iroks are super tall.
I went with the 35's because the 37's only come in a 13.50 width and those would rub like Oprah's thighs rushing to a buffet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cross posting, we are. Thanks!

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I'll check tomorrow. But the Iroks are super tall.
I went with the 35's because the 37's only come in a 13.50 width and those would rub like Oprah's thighs rushing to a buffet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are the 35 Toyos? Looks bigger than that! Great setup!

[DennisAJC]

I'm getting a set. They got mine stuck in port. Truckers strike.

For sale

-5x BFG A/T 35s 60% Tread Left
-5x BFG M/T 35s 97.356% Tread left
-30+ Misc Jeep parts I found at the Mall.

[H2Finally]

Drty, anymore updates?

I got to test the MTRs yesterday at Aqua Dulce (Bouquet Canyon). Lots of nice climbs. I aired down to 20, but not liking the traction I get at all.

The last climb, also the steepest, I can't make it over the top ledge. Backed down, and since the temp outside was 110, I checked my tires, and sure enough, it was at 24.5

I lowered to 20 again (tire air was so hot, I got to use a longer stick to air-out cause it was burning my fingers!!) and finally made it over.

I thought the MTRs supposed to be "tougher" than the stock ATs? But after just 1 run, I've got plenty of rock rashes/gouges.

What's your preference in pounds for running on sandy rocks with the MTRs? I need to learn more abt the MTRs 'cause NOT happy at all for now.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thinking I should have gotten the 37" ATs instead.

[DRTYFN]

Depending on the terrain any where from 18 down to 12. !2 is for maximum traction and I usually air back up 3-4psi.
You'll like the 37" ATs. I spoke with a guy that had them and he liked them.

(As you can see I've been procrastinating on getting an Irok off the stack to measure. I'll get to it... eventually.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[Christa]

Those Toyos look very nice on your rig.(even if there is not one bit of pretty shiny chrome to be seen http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) I have the same tires except mine are the 37's. Mine don't rub, but I dont do the wheeling that you do. The toyos are very quiet, ride smooth and give the truck a nice stance. You'll love them. They look mean!
Why so many sets of tires? Are you a fickle bitch http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif or do you use different tires for different terrain or weather?

[DRTYFN]

I'm a tire pack rat and I like variety.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DH22G]

drty THAT LOOKS SICK MAN.. i know those toyos are awesome tires. let me know how they are offroad.. i saw a lifted silverado hd in BIGBEAR this weekend and it was a toyo mt 40 /13.5/22 . I was about to shoot fireworks in my pants it looked so amazing... still waiting for mine over here ,,,

[drmiles]

Rodster,

I have the Toyo 37's on stock rims. Love the result. Minor rubbing in front resolved when I put on the Fabtech HD steering components.
Also had one air bag sensor connecting rod get broken by the tire on the right rear..

see pic below

also view this link
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2606011751/m/2921015421


Overall VERY glad I went with the 37x13.5x17's

nally posted by rodster:
Think I just answered one of my own questions. Looking at Toyo's website it doesn't look like the 37s will fit a stock 17 rim?[/QUOTE]

[rodster]

Thanks, Jerry. That's all good news. I have the Fabtech steering components sitting here in boxes and plan to have those installed when the tires and wheels go on.

The big challenge right now is the tires -- nobody I've talked to has Toyos. Any tips on that?

I'm leaning toward American Racing Mojave Teflons 18x9.5 with Toyo M/Ts 37x13.50x18. Anyone have thoughts on that combo?

If I can't get the Toyos soon then I may very well go with the same size tire in the Nitto MG. Then, when the Toyos are finally available, if the Nitto noise is making me nuts, buy the Toyos.

Thanks again -- Rod

[KenP]

The MG's will be loud. I have the TG's and they're louder than stock, but not so bad.

[drmiles]

Rodster

if you go with the 9.5 rims it WILL rub on the inner fender and front stabilizer bar. I was able to put the 13.5 tires on only because I kept the stock 8" rims with the factory off set. Do not try this with after market rims. Unless your never going off raod!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rodster:
Thanks, Jerry. That's all good news. I have the Fabtech steering components sitting here in boxes and plan to have those installed when the tires and wheels go on.

The big challenge right now is the tires -- nobody I've talked to has Toyos. Any tips on that?

I'm leaning toward American Racing Mojave Teflons 18x9.5 with Toyo M/Ts 37x13.50x18. Anyone have thoughts on that combo?

If I can't get the Toyos soon then I may very well go with the same size tire in the Nitto MG. Then, when the Toyos are finally available, if the Nitto noise is making me nuts, buy the Toyos.

Thanks again -- Rod </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drmiles:
Rodster if you go with the 9.5 rims it WILL rub on the inner fender and front stabilizer bar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rims I'm looking at have 4 1/4" backspace. Does that change things?

[drmiles]

Yes it will rub with the 4.5" offset, the only way you can get 37 x 13.5 tires to fit is to use the factory wheels. I'm sure the offset on factory wheel is less than that.

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drmiles:
Yes it will rub with the 4.5" offset, the only way you can get 37 x 13.5 tires to fit is to use the factory wheels. I'm sure the offset on factory wheel is less than that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. I'm talking 4 1/4" backspace. You, 4.5" offset. Are we on the same frequency?

Also, this thread (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2606011751/m/9641071121/r/9641071121#9641071121) says the factory backspace is 5.5".

Yup, it's official, I'm confused.

[drmiles]

Sorry I was working and trying to answer you at the same time.

I didn't know the factory backspacing

If 5.5 is correct and you switch to 4.25 instead of the usual 4.5 that would bring the tire in closer to the frame a 1/4", probably still rub with the 13.5 tires.

Also every Hummer is a little different some rub more than others with the 37 x 12.5 tire and 4.5 spacing. 4.25 would help that.

I guess you just have to go to the tire store and test fit...

Good Luck

[Dallion]

Anyone know how the Toyo MT's handle in the snow? I am thinking of going with the 37x13.50's... But wondering if I should keep the stock A/T's for the winter time, or if these would be good to leave on.

[DH22G]

i have heard that they are awesome compared to the stock ats. because they are so soft.. toyo has been a sponsor of my other rides for a long time and they are usually pretty honest with me

[kacyk]

I've had these on my wife's H2 for some time now and she loves them. No need to air them down going over the Bellevue Mall speed bumps! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[dochummer]

Was there a final word on off-road performance? How do they do in soft dirt? We have an abundance out here...

If they're about the same noise level on the highway as stock, I think i've found me next tires.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DRTYFN]

Doc,
I ran out to Brown's Camp last week and tried them out on Hog's Back. Usually I need to reposition once when going up HB, but with the Toyos I walked right up and never even slipped a tire.

[Dan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drmiles:
Sorry I was working and trying to answer you at the same time.

I didn't know the factory backspacing

If 5.5 is correct and you switch to 4.25 instead of the usual 4.5 that would bring the tire in closer to the frame a 1/4", probably still rub with the 13.5 tires.

Also every Hummer is a little different some rub more than others with the 37 x 12.5 tire and 4.5 spacing. 4.25 would help that.

I guess you just have to go to the tire store and test fit...

Good Luck </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That looks sweet drmiles! If the rubbing is minimal, I may go that route when its time to buy.

[H2_SUT_SC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kacyk:
I've had these on my wife's H2 for some time now and she loves them. No need to air them down going over the Bellevue Mall speed bumps! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are those 20x10's?? Offset?

Looks great kacyk. What brand rims are those, I love the deep dish look.

[H2_SUT_SC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I'll check tomorrow. But the Iroks are super tall.
I went with the 35's because the 37's only come in a 13.50 width and those would rub like Oprah's thighs rushing to a buffet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Drty, are those the black HID lights? If so can you post what brand or where you got them. They look similar to these.

37x13.50s on aftermarket rims, no lift, fabtech steering. only rub is on the plastic fenderwell when i'm doing a uturn. or articulating a bit, but even this one barely had the driver's side rubbing

[Big Z]

Finally got Um! Cool! Over a year on mine, no complaints! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/3.../368107264#368107264 (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/368107264/r/368107264#368107264)

no idea on actual rim size, i'd have to ask les schwaab. i just wanted to get rid of the chrome diamos that were on it when i bought it, and go back to 17" from 18"

[rodster]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

37x13.50x18 Toyo Open Country M/T tires
18x9.5 American Racing Mojave Teflon wheels (4.25" backspace)

http://hxpics.us/images/toyos.jpg

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Very nice Rod http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, Phil.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Next you need to lift it and start the whole process off again with tires/rims http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stop it, Phil. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[H2_SUT_SC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rodster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Very nice Rod http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, Phil.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Next you need to lift it and start the whole process off again with tires/rims http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stop it, Phil. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

Very nice rig rodster. Did you turn up the torsion bars? Cause it doesn't appear you did. Rubbing issues?

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2_SUT_SC:
Very nice rig rodster. Did you turn up the torsion bars? Cause it doesn't appear you did. Rubbing issues? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Still have fender flares in the garage to mount so that'll help the look.

I haven't done the torsion bars (yet). The tires have a whopping 4 miles on 'em so not sure what kind of rubbing issues will surface. The trailing, outboard edges of the front tires do rub on the plastic fender liner but I'm not too concerned about that.

[TXSUT]

Looks awesome Rod! Nice job!

-Pete

[DH22G]

hey drty shoot me a pm.. i wanted to know if you wanted to drop any of your 37's i think i need a set for this winter.. time to upgrade from the at's.. hope all is well.. hit me up

[VTSTOMPER]

Just called my dealer for the 35X12.50X17's...he wanted 347.95 each, but I had to pay shipping too...so it would be about $400.00 bucks per tire.

$1,600 bucks for a set of tires just seems high.

[CslRkH2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Doc,
I ran out to Brown's Camp last week and tried them out on Hog's Back. Usually I need to reposition once when going up HB, but with the Toyos I walked right up and never even slipped a tire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any Post-Moab update on the Toyos? Would you buy the Toyos over the GY-MTRs if you didn't have either?

[JDLarue]

I just put the 37x13.50's on mine. Stock rims, no lift. They rub a little on the sway bars in a lock to lock turn but that's about it. Haven't done any hard wheelin yet, so I don't really know what they'll do. They sure look good though. Almost bought the MTR's but couldn't get any cause of the strike. Went to Les Shwaub also. Love the Toyo's. Quiet and ride nice. Had to get a Hypertech programmer though cause I lost a **** load of power from a dead stop but reprogramming to OEM computer took care of that. :jump:

[H2 BULLY]

I just put the 37x13.50's on mine. Stock rims, no lift. They rub a little on the sway bars in a lock to lock turn but that's about it. Haven't done any hard wheelin yet, so I don't really know what they'll do. They sure look good though. Almost bought the MTR's but couldn't get any cause of the strike. Went to Les Shwaub also. Love the Toyo's. Quiet and ride nice. Had to get a Hypertech programmer though cause I lost a **** load of power from a dead stop but reprogramming to OEM computer took care of that. :jump:

post some pics:beerchug:

I still am trying to decide between the toyos and the BFG's in the 37's. The 13.50 in the toyos scares me a little because of the rubbing and I do some pretty rough trails.

[hummer74]

yeah, pics pics pics damnit!!!!!:iagree:

[DRTYFN]

Here's a picture of the Toyos after I had them siped. They're great on packed snow & ice now.

[JDLarue]

Wasn't the factory siping ok on snow/ice? Alot of mud tires aren't siped at all so I figured the Toyo's would be good in the snow just the way they come.

[DRTYFN]

Wasn't the factory siping ok on snow/ice? Alot of mud tires aren't siped at all so I figured the Toyo's would be good in the snow just the way they come.
The factory siping was unsatisfactory IMO. I like having my tires done by Les Schwab Tires.
http://www.lesschwab.com/siping.asp