Ran into another H3 with my problem yesterday ... [Archive]

Hmmm2

09-10-2006, 07:43 PM

I pulled into the drycleaner yesterday and up alongside parked another H3. We gave each other a 'thumbs up' on our choice of vehicles.;) I asked her how she liked hers .. she said she bought hers last Oct with 2500 miles on it and loved it, but had her first problem last Wednesday. Curious, I asked her what happened. She said when she'd come to a stop, or an abrupt stop, her rear tires/brakes would GRIND! OMG!!! She probably thought I was crazy when I kept saying, "WHAT?!?!" She goes, "Yeah, I took it to the dealer, described the problem and they fixed it in a day". I asked her if the dealer was ------, (the dealer service dept who had been trying to figure out MY problem for 6weeks and who never did figure it out) she said, "Why, yes!". ARGHHHHH!!! :twak: I told her what I went through and she thanked me for paving the way. I'm thinking that the 2nd dealer (service dept) who had fixed my problem in a DAY must have called the original (6.5 week dealer) and told them what my problem finally turned out to be .. a warped rotor. I'm venting here, I know. I won't mention the dealer by name because they learned something through my problem (I hope). But, it sort of infuriates me that all that time, I was being told that the grind was 'common to all H3's" and that was that.. nothing more could be done. GM/Hummer Corp took good care of me, so that's all that matters now. I had a great Customer Service Rep through GM. ;)

fourfourto

09-10-2006, 08:08 PM

RubHer Yellow Ducky

09-10-2006, 08:30 PM

So thats the cause. I have 8000 mileson my Yellow one and will call tomorrow to make an appointment.

RYD

RubHer Yellow Ducky

09-10-2006, 08:46 PM

F5, Do you know anything about this ?????

RYD

I pulled into the drycleaner yesterday and up alongside parked another H3. We gave each other a 'thumbs up' on our choice of vehicles.;) I asked her how she liked hers .. she said she bought hers last Oct with 2500 miles on it and loved it, but had her first problem last Wednesday. Curious, I asked her what happened. She said when she'd come to a stop, or an abrupt stop, her rear tires/brakes would GRIND! OMG!!! She probably thought I was crazy when I kept saying, "WHAT?!?!" She goes, "Yeah, I took it to the dealer, described the problem and they fixed it in a day". I asked her if the dealer was ------, (the dealer service dept who had been trying to figure out MY problem for 6weeks and who never did figure it out) she said, "Why, yes!". ARGHHHHH!!! :twak: I told her what I went through and she thanked me for paving the way. I'm thinking that the 2nd dealer (service dept) who had fixed my problem in a DAY must have called the original (6.5 week dealer) and told them what my problem finally turned out to be .. a warped rotor. I'm venting here, I know. I won't mention the dealer by name because they learned something through my problem (I hope). But, it sort of infuriates me that all that time, I was being told that the grind was 'common to all H3's" and that was that.. nothing more could be done. GM/Hummer Corp took good care of me, so that's all that matters now. I had a great Customer Service Rep through GM. ;)

Hmmm2

09-10-2006, 08:52 PM

Its Back :mad:
Getting the grinding noise again.:mad:
They turned down rotors replaced pads ay 12,000 miles all was fine till now at 19,000 miles its doing it again.:crying:
I will bring it to the dealer sometime this week and insist on NEW rotors and new pads .It has to be a problem with some rotors being defective. ? :confused:

Unless its the front this time :eek: (I looked at front pads they still look
meaty)

Hmmm3 did they replace or resurface your rotors ,I forgot ?.
The first dealer resurfaced one rotor and put on new pads. Of course, I still had the sound. The 2nd dealer told me one rotor was clearily warped, so they turned it (again) and the other 3 as well. Replaced all brakes and pads. They said they also cut the pads slightly (?) into a wedge shape which they said will make them more operative for my driving purposes. (I live on a hill, so a lot of my driving goes up and down that hill). All I know is that SO FAR I haven't had that sound come back. It has been about 3 weeks and I've been to Las Vegas and back in it. keeping my fingers crossed. If the sound comes back anytime soon, I'll also insist on new rotors. I'm not going to have them re-surface them again. Good luck! Keep us updated!

ChevyHighPerformance

09-10-2006, 09:06 PM

Its Back :mad:
Getting the grinding noise again.:mad:
They turned down rotors replaced pads ay 12,000 miles all was fine till now at 19,000 miles its doing it again.:crying:
I will bring it to the dealer sometime this week and insist on NEW rotors and new pads .It has to be a problem with some rotors being defective. ? :confused:

Unless its the front this time :eek: (I looked at front pads they still look
meaty)

Hmmm3 did they replace or resurface your rotors ,I forgot ?.

Try this. Make sure your parking brake is fully released. Underneath the driver's door is the parking brake cable. There is one cable that starts at the front, goes to a metal piece that connects to two cables that go to the rear (these go to the individual rear parking brakes). Pull hard on the metal piece (toward you or down toward the ground) a few times and release. If your parking brake cable is binding/rubbing this will free up some slack in the cable and make sure the parking brakes are not rubbing. See if you still hear the squeal.

The 2006 parking brake cable is run over metal edge that gouges into the cable assembly. The 2007 parking brake cable is new and routed a little differently.

f5fstop

09-10-2006, 09:10 PM

Only thing I know is 90 percent of what people call warped rotors is really pad residue on the rotor. Turning does fix the problem. Pretty darn hard to warp a large rotor like the ones on the front, and the back brakes do so little on normal stopping that can't understand how they get overheated enough to warp.
Have not heard anything, and I have 17K and no brake problems or noises. In fact, the only noise I have is behind the new NAV system, and I would bet it is the adapter vibrating.
If we are having problems with rears heating up and warping, I would have the dealer make sure the park brake is adjusted correctly after the brakes are repaired. If out of adjustment, the brakes will be too tight, apply too much pressure to the rotor and overheat the rotor (and the pads).
I will add that I will not use factory pads when I change the brakes (if I keep it that long:D ). Factory pads SUCK, since they cannot use asbestos.
So, the pads are made with other organic materials that tend to cause them to wear too fast, and tend to leave residue on the rotors when heated up (mountain driving is good for this).
I'm hoping someone comes out with a low dust, kevlar pad for the H3 before I have to change; if I have to change.

fourfourto

09-10-2006, 10:05 PM

f5fstop

09-11-2006, 01:16 AM

got me; I forgot, still thinking old days.:D I'll do some checking tomorrow on brakes.

fourfourto

09-11-2006, 04:07 PM

F5 we didnt remove the wheel but my brother said the placement of the cable on the backing plate it seams theres a scrub brake.
If you could confirm this that would be great.:D

I made an appointment for tuesday 9am,sevice manager said no problem replacing brakes and rotors in the back if its the same problem,He also said they wouldnt turn down the rotors a second time.
SM said if I will get a loaner if needed.
They treat me good over at ramp hummer they always give me a loaner :D

Hmmm2

09-11-2006, 05:36 PM

I made an appointment for tuesday 9am,sevice manager said no problem replacing brakes and rotors in the back if its the same problem,He also said they wouldnt turn down the rotors a second time.
SM said if I will get a loaner if needed.
They treat me good over at ramp hummer they always give me a loaner :D
You HAVE been lucky in that regard, fourfourto. Your dealer seems to step up to the plate and always tells you they'll replace parts. I have to wonder if dealers here get 'points' for not replacing warranty parts.(:rant:) It would be awesome to hear a Serv. Mgr. just come and say, "Yeah, we're gonna replace your rotors instead of turning them .. new pads and all, ESPECIALLY since you've been having nothing but problems with them." Uh-huh.

ChevyHighPerformance

09-11-2006, 10:26 PM

F5 Doesnt the e brake have a seperate pad (scrub brake). :confused:
My brother and I noticed it on my prevous brake inspection.

The e brake seems good,I beleve it should be tighter it goes down far to grab.
Im going to bring it in on tuesday.

There is a separate brake shoe assembly that grabs for parking. The rear rotors are like a hat and the inside of the hat is a mini-drum brake. When you press down on the parking brake the shoes are cammed out and make contact with the drum.

I was wondering if the parking brake is releasing fully. That's why I suggested to pull on the parking brake cable to make sure the cable isn't sticking in its conduit. The foot petal may come back up fully but the cable may not be completely releasing. I know for fact that there have been H3's in to get the parking brake cable replaced and that the 2007's have a new design. You never mentioned that the brakes are grabbing or pulsing when stopping nor did you mention any smell or unusually high rear temperatures. My interpretation (which I could be wrong) is that the sound is a nuisance sound.

fourfourto

09-11-2006, 11:04 PM

ChevyHighPerformance

09-12-2006, 12:14 AM

is that the sound is a nuisance sound.

No its a grinding sound definatly not normal.
Parking brake seems fine not to tight(If it was it would have worn down by now)Also it grabs low,probobly needs tightened .
Last time I checked the temp of rotor at my brothers shop and they were normal.

I don't think the sound is normal either - I was trying to get at if there are other issues you can feel versus just hear. The fact that you mentioned that the parking brake grabs low is a sign to me that the parking brake cable is not moving freely in its guide (not releasing properly), the parking brake is not adjusted properly, or the parking brake shoes are worn. Did you try what I suggested - tugging hard on the parking brake cable underneath the driver's side. It will feel tight to start with. If you tug on it and it frees up, you have a parking brake cable problem.

LAREDO TEXAS

09-12-2006, 12:19 AM

I had the same problem, I was about to order new brakes, I took it to a local shop and they just apply a cleaner to the rotors and rotate the tires.. done deal this was done on Sunday and no noice until today.

Hmmm2

09-12-2006, 12:59 AM

I don't think the sound is normal either - I was trying to get at if there are other issues you can feel versus just hear.

Fourfourto, do you feel a slight sensation in the brake pedal JUST as you come to a complete stop and JUST as you are hearing that grind sound? When I would hear the grind in the rear right, I'd also feel 'something' in the brake pedal. Almost as if I could feel the 'grind' in the rear brake. Chevy High Performance thoughts sound right on, too. But, you and I had the same grind problem months back .. so I'm tending to think warped rotor. I'm anxious to hear what they find out for you.

fourfourto

09-12-2006, 02:13 AM

I'd also feel 'something' in the brake pedal. Almost as if I could feel the 'grind' in the rear brake.

:iagree: X2 thats they way it is now and was then.

Hopefully fixed by tommorow afternoon.

fourfourto

09-13-2006, 12:31 AM

:rant: Dam what a freekin day droped off 3 they didnt have anyone to come with me for a ride so I got a loaner(another story see below)
They call me at 3pm say it ready and nothing checked out bad after they pulled all 4 wheels. Said Normal for hard stops on the H3 ?,I flipped out a little on the phone said I will come down and bring you for a ride.
Anyway Im driving back there a little pissed and a lady making a left stoped short and a young girl stoped short behind her in a mdx suv,I didnt see the first car.
I slammed the brakes and the 2007 silverado loaner rent a car slams her in the back:eek: f*cked up the front of the truck and the back of her mdx.had to get police report ect.
Anyway I called hummer to see if I could pick it up late after 5 and head sevice guy said they cleaned rotor (= brake cleaner)and seem better.He said he leaves at 5pm.

By the time I got there everyone in service was gone .
On the way home it wasnt doing it but I didnt come to many hard/downhill stops.
I will see what happens over the next couple hundred/thousand miles.

Bad day:mad:

If the brakes start grinding again im going to open a can of whip ass and go off on them like a crazy man.:twak:

First accedent in 20 years at least it wasn't my H3:D

Going to have a couple beers and calm down:beerchug:

Hmmm2

09-13-2006, 12:59 AM

:rant: Said Normal for hard stops on the H3 ?,I flipped out a little on the phone said I will come down and bring you for a ride.

Anyway I called hummer to see if I could pick it up late after 5 and head sevice guy said they cleaned rotor (= brake cleaner)and seem better.He said he leaves at 5pm.

I will see what happens over the next couple hundred/thousand miles.

Bad day:mad:

If the brakes start grinding again im going to open a can of whip ass and go off on them like a crazy man.:twak:

First accedent in 20 years at least it wasn't my H3:D

Going to have a couple beers and calm down:beerchug:
OMG! What an awful day! Well, at least you weren't injured in the accident! (BTW, did you buy that extra loaner insurance they offer? :giggling: ) Secondly, they sprayed my rotors with something the first day of the ongoing 6 weeks (before my problem was resolved), and it didn't work .. so you better pull out that 'can of whip ass' you mentioned just to have it handy. They told me SO many times during the 6 week period that the grind sound was normal for all H3's. EVEN after going for test drives with me and HEARING it!!!! :eek: You know it's not .. just like I knew it wasn't .. so stand your ground. :rant: I did. I've sent you a PM, too .. look for it. Let us know what happens, ok? Hope you're okay after the accident .. no sore back, neck, etc.

fourfourto

09-13-2006, 01:34 AM

Im ok so was the 2 young girls( I felt bad she just took her road test today )
I didnt get the extra insurance,so I will have my insurance co take care of it.
As for the tire dressing the dealer only put it on when picked up new last august.
I made a rim guard protector out of cardbord with a hold handle ,so no overspray get on or behind the rim.
I only detail the tires every month or so.

RubHer Yellow Ducky

09-13-2006, 03:24 AM

got me; I forgot, still thinking old days.:D I'll do some checking tomorrow on brakes.

F5,

Any word about defects etc on the brakes???

RYD

fourfourto

09-13-2006, 04:57 PM

The service guy did mention something about a notice about the brakes.He didnt show me anything .

They wrote this on work order.
C/S when braking hard there is a grinding noise.Verifed concern. Norn=mal condition for vehicle when braking hard.

I told them it does it on normal braking going down hill with stopping at the bottom without feathering of brake.It doesnt have to be a hard brake.

Ill wait till it gets worse and will go with them for a ride and say YEH ! thats Normal! Yeh Right !. and if I have trouble with them doing a repair I will insist on a hummer rep. I will give it a few weeks and see what happens.

Anyone with any info from gm for the H3 for brakes please list them. thanks in advance.

jp's-h3

09-13-2006, 07:52 PM

I know that abs brakes make a grinding noise when coming to an abrupt halt. If that is the prob. nothing can be done about the grinding noise, It's an inherent prob w/ abs brakes.

fourfourto

09-13-2006, 08:52 PM

I know that abs brakes make a grinding noise when coming to an abrupt halt. If that is the prob. nothing can be done about the grinding noise, It's an inherent prob w/ abs brakes.

Yeh my brother (ace mechanic) said does it feel like the abs.
I realy dont think thats it ,I already locked the brakes up testing abs on dry pavement,dirt,sand,rain ,snow ice ect.
At this point there not as bad as they were at 12,000 miles when they cut rotors and replaced pads.
I will put some miles on the H3:excited: .
Im going upstate in a few week so thats good for 1000 miles only 300 up there but we cruze around quite a bit looking at cabins/houses and looking for snowmobile trails.

Ed Coryell

09-14-2006, 12:01 AM

I had a similar problem with my H3 about 4 months ago. At about 8,500 - 9,000 miles, I started hearing a grinding noise when coming to a stop that I thought at first must be a problem with the brakes. I took it to the dealer (Hall Hummer in Virginia Beach) and after two days of looking at every possibility, and several phone calls to the factory reps, it was determined that the problem wasn't with the brakes, but rather with the transfer case. The rep suggested they cycle through 4H - 4H-locked - 4L to see if that fixed the problem, and it did. They said that they were going to start recommending as part of the 3K oil change maintenance that the transfer case also be cycled at least that often. It's been almost 4,000 miles since then and (knock on wood), the grinding noise has not returned.

BTW - I bought one of the first H3's off the lot here in June 05, and am very happy with the vehicle. Haven't done any serious off-roading yet, but did drive it through a snowstorm in NY last winter, and it handled great.

Hmmm2

09-14-2006, 12:52 AM

The rep suggested they cycle through 4H - 4H-locked - 4L to see if that fixed the problem, and it did.

Ed, do you normally drive in 4H all of the time .. never using the 4H-Locked or 4L? My particular grind was definitely in the rear right and I could feel it in the brake when I'd come to a stop. After all was said and done, they discovered a warped rotor. I don't off-road mine (though I have in a different H3 ;) ), so I always drive in 4H.

fourfourto

09-14-2006, 02:46 AM

This summer I was at the beach every other week used 4H lock and used
4 low a couple times fooling around the back dunes and some rocks.
so my tranfer case gets cycled every few weeks.
The sound is definatly from the brakes.

I don't off-road mine

Hmmm3 say its not so :confused:

:twak: get out there and tear it up :beerchug:

Hmmm2

09-14-2006, 03:40 AM

I don't off-road mine

Hmmm3 say its not so :confused:

:twak: get out there and tear it up :beerchug:

LOL, fourfourto. Chrome, mudflaps, steps prevent me in THIS vehicle. I have off-roaded in H3's and an H2, tho ..just not mine. ;)

fourfourto

09-14-2006, 04:22 AM

I wheel with mudflaps and steps,I just limit myself and know when to back up :D only got a small scuff on bottom of steps on this hill no big deal.:rolleyes:

Hmmm2

09-14-2006, 07:12 AM

I wheel with mudflaps and steps,I just limit myself and know when to back up :D only got a small scuff on bottom of steps on this hill no big deal.:rolleyes:
Ooooookay, fourfourto .. I'll baptize her. I'll let you know when I try MY H3 on some hills. Just know I'll have my teeth clenched and eyes closed when I think I might scrape any chrome/bling. :eek: ;)

f5fstop

09-14-2006, 09:58 PM

Ok, you guys got me, in the past two days, I have noticed this groaning from the left rear brake; not a grinding, but more of a groaning when coming to a stop under heavy pressure. Slow stopping does not bring on the noise, only heavy or very heavy.
At this point I am not sure what it is, but it is not due to a warped rotor, this was confirmed today.
Personally, I'm leaning toward the inside the rotor's hat park brake assembly, and the brake shoes rotating on a dry backing plate. (L-Series Saturns had the same rear park brake system, and the same type of groaning noise; not as loud, but similar.) In other words, the park brake shoes are hanging up. This could explain why the rotor is removed and turned and reinstalled, the noise goes away due to the freeing up of the park brake assembly when the rotor is removed.
If it is the park brake, it would not cause a braking problem, only an aggravating noise problem.
I am trying to schedule the H3 brake service engineer to come over to my facility and let's tear into this and figure out exactly what it is.
This will take a few days, but I'll keep you informed.

Hmmm2

09-14-2006, 10:27 PM

Ok, you guys got me, in the past two days, I have noticed this groaning from the left rear brake; not a grinding, but more of a groaning when coming to a stop under heavy pressure. Slow stopping does not bring on the noise, only heavy or very heavy.

Yessss, you're right, f5fstop ... it is more of a groan than a grind. I can't wait to hear what you find out about yours! My H3 is fine so far .. I hope they found mine and finally took care of it. I can't even imagine living with that 'groan' sound for the life of the vehicle. Do you feel it in your brake, too .. same as fourfourto and myself? Keep us in the loop. :D

fourfourto

09-15-2006, 12:38 AM

CHP said to check e brake, I have no play in the cable .

I do use the e brake everyday at home because of incline.
Maybe e brake dust gets caught up in the lever or in the drum over time?

:iagree: I guess i could go along with more of a groan than a grind

Mine seams fine now and the dealer cleaned brakes ,I dont know if they removed the rotors .Maybe they cleaned e brake also thats why it ok for now.

F5 go down a long hill 60 MPH and stop on the hard side at the bottom.It is (was) most noticable then.

f5fstop

09-15-2006, 01:00 AM

Long hill in southeast MI? No chance on that happening.

fourfourto

09-15-2006, 01:02 AM

Update my wife just said :rant: its more of a grown.:rant: I told you grown :rant: YYY
:yawn: that is all

Hmmm2

09-15-2006, 01:58 AM

F5 go down a long hill 60 MPH and stop on the hard side at the bottom.It is (was) most noticable then. Update my wife just said :rant: its more of a grown. :rant: I told you grown YYY:yawn:
that is all That's when mine would make the groan, too ... just at the base of a hill when coming to a stop ... after the rotors heated up.

LOL.. well, I'm glad your wife set you straight, fourfourto. :giggling:

Michael1

09-15-2006, 07:34 AM

Ed Coryell

09-15-2006, 10:42 AM

Ed, do you normally drive in 4H all of the time .. never using the 4H-Locked or 4L? My particular grind was definitely in the rear right and I could feel it in the brake when I'd come to a stop. After all was said and done, they discovered a warped rotor. I don't off-road mine (though I have in a different H3 ;) ), so I always drive in 4H.

Yes - I drive in 4H all the time - mostly local traffic, with alot of stop-&-go. The noise I experienced came from the front, so it does seem to be different than the problem you're having. I hope they're able to figure it out and get it fixed for you. Was the warped rotor a factory defect, or did something happen to cause it to warp? I know that the Hummer dealership here in Virginia Beach is very in-tune with all us Hummer owners, and will do what it takes to fix any problems we have. Good luck!

f5fstop

09-15-2006, 10:50 AM

I don't know why you say that. Corvettes have had warped rotor problems for years, and that car has huge rotors, and 3/5 the mass of the H3 to stop. Mine warped in one good hard stop on the freeway at 100F. It's probably a GM design or material problem, rather than just the size.

Michael

I'm sorry to say, but an actual warped rotor was not that common. As I said, the biggest problem with what people call warped rotors is actually pad material causing a high spot.
During our studies, the only rotors that had warping problems were the smaller thin, rotors used on small cars, and then the numbers were not that high.
Can you warp a rotor? Yes, take a factory rotor and autocross all day long, run it on a road course and turn them red, but normal driving makes it almost impossible to warp a large finned rotor.
Ride the H3 down a 13K foot incline and yes, it might warp. Drive it around town and no, unless there was a manufacturing defect. However, when a technician pulls rotor, puts it on a lathe, and checks it, if there are high spots, to him or her, it is warped.
The other big problem with what people say is a warped rotor is lateral runout. That is why GM has published quite a few bulletins in the past on checking lateral runout versus turning a rotor.

I might add, if a rotor is found to be warped, it is usually warped due to installation, not heat. Forget the cross pattern and cock the rotor upon install, and it will eventually wear into a warped condition.

Now, go back to the Toyota forum and bash GM there.

PARAGON

09-15-2006, 12:37 PM

fourfourto

09-17-2006, 01:29 AM

Ok, you guys got me, in the past two days, I have noticed this groaning from the left rear brake; not a grinding, but more of a groaning when coming to a stop under heavy pressure. Slow stopping does not bring on the noise, only heavy or very heavy.
At this point I am not sure what it is, but it is not due to a warped rotor, this was confirmed today.
Personally, I'm leaning toward the inside the rotor's hat park brake assembly, and the brake shoes rotating on a dry backing plate. (L-Series Saturns had the same rear park brake system, and the same type of groaning noise; not as loud, but similar.) In other words, the park brake shoes are hanging up. This could explain why the rotor is removed and turned and reinstalled, the noise goes away due to the freeing up of the park brake assembly when the rotor is removed.
If it is the park brake, it would not cause a braking problem, only an aggravating noise problem.

I am trying to schedule the H3 brake service engineer to come over to my facility and let's tear into this and figure out exactly what it is.
This will take a few days, but I'll keep you informed.

Any word from the service engineer?
Im getting a little groan again :(

Hmmm2

09-17-2006, 05:56 AM

Im getting a little groan again :(
Ohhhh noooo. :crying: :mad: Bummer! I still bet it's a rotor problem. I spoke to one of the two service managers today at the first dealer who couldn't figure out or fix my problem. I told him what the OTHER dealer found and fixed (he didn't ask). Then, I told him I ran into another H3 owner last week who had the same problem as I had. After I finished talking he said, "Yeah, we had a few come in after yours with the same problem you had described." It sounds to me that more H3 owners are experiencing it now...and this is only one dealer. Keep us updated! Maybe f5fstop will find out soon and post what his 3 is doing.

f5fstop

09-17-2006, 01:03 PM

Any word from the service engineer?
Im getting a little groan again :(

Nope and it will be a while. Only thing we have done is verified it is a noise and does not affect braking capabilities, or at least any we can determine. I feel no pull, vehicle stops ok, brakes don't lock up.

Personally, I'm thinking it is a park brake groan, someone else thinks it is the disc brake pad material or caliper piston resonance, someone thinks it is normal resonance from brake operation that is not isolated as it should be, and someone else thinks it is a suspension noise and not a brake noise.

Some say turning a rotor fixes the problem, but to turn a rotor, all these items on the brake system are affected when the rotor is removed. Braking surface is affected, park brake system inside the rotor hat is affected, and caliper piston is affected. So, if removing the rotor causes a temporary fix, what in that procedure is the real fix.

fourfourto

09-17-2006, 03:47 PM

Thanks F5. I can live with it for now.
I know you will inspect it further because it will drive you nuts.
We are counting on you for a fix. :beerchug:

How could the dealer call it normal :confused:

Hmmm2

09-17-2006, 07:38 PM

Thanks F5. I can live with it for now.
I know you will inspect it further because it will drive you nuts.
We are counting on you for a fix. :beerchug:

How could the dealer call it normal :confused:
X2 :iagree:

fourfourto

09-17-2006, 07:48 PM

My wife just left with the 3. I put the ebrake on 1/2 down told her to back down to swoop spot(100ft) then foward to road (100 feet) then release brake and see if its better.Maybe a build up of rust on drum, it couldn't hurt.

I also put some white spray grease on e brake cable under door and on backing plate spring/lever.

fourfourto

09-17-2006, 11:41 PM

Grrrrooooaaaaaannnnn Still groaning . I just turn up the radio and I dont here the noise,maybe the groan is caused by radio not being on.:D

Its normal

Hmmm2

09-18-2006, 03:37 AM

Grrrrooooaaaaaannnnn Still groaning . I just turn up the radio and I dont here the noise,maybe the groan is caused by radio not being on.:D Its normal
Oooookay, fourfourto! What ever makes you happy! LOL! Crank that XM up and for sure you won't hear that groaaaaan. BUT, you're still gonna feel it in the brake pedal! It IS an annoying groan, too! I know. I couldn't stand it. Just before braking, I'd clench my teeth and just get ready for that sound. Sure enough, it never disappointed me .. it would be there just as I came to a complete stop. Ugh. So far, so good for me!! Going on week four, no noise. :dancingbanana:

f5fstop

09-18-2006, 10:46 AM

Hmmm2

09-18-2006, 07:34 PM

My groan could be different than your groan. Mine only happens on a hard stop; just before the vehicle actually comes to a complete stop, and I can feel nothing in the brake pedal. For me to hear, I have to have the radio off...
Mine only happened on a hard stop, too. But, after a while, it didn't HAVE to be a hard stop .. it was on any COMPLETE stop (not a rolling stop.. or, as we call those here, California stops ..:giggling: ). It would depend on how hot the brakes were getting. I could feel something in the brake pedal when I'd hear the sound. I felt uneasy with it. Towards the end of my complaints .. prior to the 'fix', I swear I could feel the vehicle not want to stop completely .. it felt as if it would move 1 half inch forward. I thought the brakes were beginning to slip. Not a secure feeling, expecially after going downhill and having cars in front of you. :eek: So far, so good for me! I hope it's gone forever!

fourfourto

09-19-2006, 04:10 PM

Mine only happened on a hard stop, too. But, after a while, it didn't HAVE to be a hard stop .. it was on any COMPLETE stop (not a rolling stop.. or, as we call those here, California stops ..:giggling: ). It would depend on how hot the brakes were getting. I could feel something in the brake pedal when I'd hear the sound. I felt uneasy with it. Towards the end of my complaints .. prior to the 'fix', I swear I could feel the vehicle not want to stop completely .. it felt as if it would move 1 half inch forward. I thought the brakes were beginning to slip. Not a secure feeling, expecially after going downhill and having cars in front of you. :eek: So far, so good for me! I hope it's gone forever!

At this point I have a slight groan and dont feel it in the brake peddle.
Last time it got to ther point were I did feel it in the brake peddle.
I guess in time it will get worse.

Funny thing. My wife said it feels like the chassy moves foward from the body at the point of complete stop,Kinda what you are describing I said No:giggling: but she might have a point.
Shes usually discribes problems better than I do (she drives the 3 most of the time),she used to help me swing motors back in the day and knows her shlt about cars.She can also go slideways in the 442 all the way down the block.Oh Yeh ! :D
She described the noise as a groan(like F5) when I called it a grinding noise.

Hmmm3 it took 6000 , 7000 miles after fix to start making noise again.
How many miles since they fixed yours.?

Hmmm2

09-25-2006, 08:38 PM

f5fstop, have you found out the nature of your grind/groan sound on your H3 yet?

HummBebe

09-25-2006, 08:57 PM

You know, I actually think I have video with audio of this...I'll see if I can put it up tewnight.

(get you mind out of the gutter.....I'm talking the downside of Hells Gate)

ROADNOTCA

09-25-2006, 09:01 PM

Just a shot in the dark but I hope these warps aren't the result of a car wash right after getting off the highway/freeway.

fourfourto

09-25-2006, 10:47 PM

Just a shot in the dark but I hope these warps aren't the result of a car wash right after getting off the highway/freeway.

I havent been to a car wash at all and I had it 13 months.
I do it myself when needed. Dirt = :cool:

Look up some old threads about car washes.

I think a few had there mirror riped off by a brush.:eek:
someone else ripped a brush off and was attached to his brush guard:eek:

I would only go to a brushless carwash .

Im not sure the noise is due to warped rotor.:confused:

Hmmm2

09-26-2006, 04:22 AM

You know, I actually think I have video with audio of this...I'll see if I can put it up tewnight.

(get you mind out of the gutter.....I'm talking the downside of Hells Gate)
ROFLOL ... you know, I had to think of how to word my post so know one would take it the wrong way! :giggling:

Hmmm2

10-02-2006, 05:37 PM

At this point I have a slight groan and dont feel it in the brake peddle.
Last time it got to the point were I did feel it in the brake peddle.
I guess in time it will get worse.

Fourfourto, it'ssssssssssss baaaack! :crying: AGHHHH!!! But, not all of the time. I heard it once yesterday after braking going down a steep hill and coming to a 'sort of' abrupt stop at the base. Then, again today on a flat surface at a stop sign. I'm not going to think about it right now. :mad: I'm going back to the dealer in a couple of days to have my two A pillar moulding replaced (my parts just came in) and for an oil change. I don't know if I'll mention the groan now or not .. or wait until it starts to get bad again. Plus, I want to see what f5fstop finds out about his. How is yours doing, fourfourto?

fourfourto

10-02-2006, 06:11 PM

Fourfourto, it'ssssssssssss baaaack! :crying: AGHHHH!!! But, not all of the time. I heard it once yesterday after braking going down a steep hill and coming to a 'sort of' abrupt stop at the base. Then, again today on a flat surface at a stop sign. I'm not going to think about it right now. :mad: I'm going back to the dealer in a couple of days to have my two A pillar moulding replaced (my parts just came in) and for an oil change. I don't know if I'll mention the groan now or not .. or wait until it starts to get bad again. Plus, I want to see what f5fstop finds out about his. How is yours doing, fourfourto?

If your going in I would mention it.
Let us:grouphug: know how you make out.
:rant: Mines not that bad at this point.
In the last couple weeks I havent been using the e brake at all.Normally I used it every day in my driveway.
Not sure if its related ,just not using it as a experiment to see if it has to do with using e brake every day.
Its not as bad so far only time will tell.

Hmmm2

10-02-2006, 06:52 PM

I'll let you know, fourfourto. BUMMER!!! I'll mention it and see if they go anywheres with it. This is the dealer who told me it was 'normal', remember? I use my e-brake when I park on a slope, but I don't park on the slope daily ..maybe only once/twice a week max. You should have heard me in the 3 the second I heard that groan yesterday after NOT having it for a couple of months!!!! :rant:

fourfourto

10-05-2006, 01:47 AM

I didnt drive the H3 in a week my wife uses it daily.
We were driving and I came to a long stop..It went Grrroun grounnnn grr... I go when did it get that bad,she goes Its NORMAL :giggling: ;) and laughs Then says how can those F*cks call that normal:mad: .
Ill probobly bring it back to the dealer in a week or two.

Hmmm3 any word from your dealer ?

F5 any official word on the brakes ?

Funny thing seems like its comming from the front but im not sure.

Im getting a new digital camera this weekend maybe Ill take a video with sound and list it .

Hmmm2

10-05-2006, 02:44 AM

Hmmm3 any word from your dealer ?

Funny thing seems like its comming from the front but im not sure.

Im getting a new digital camera this weekend maybe Ill take a video with sound and list it .

It would be GREAT if you could put the groan sound in the post! Then we could compare notes and see if we're talking about the same sound. Sit in the back seat while your wife drives .. you should hear it in the rear.
Wellll, <grrrrrrrrrrrr>, I took mine to the dealer yesterday for my A pillars to be changed out and oil change/ tire rotation, etc. I should probably wait a few days before I write about the BIG welcome I received when I drove in. (not!) That's a whole 'nother story. Anyways, I mentioned to the service writer that the groan came back .. I heard it twice in 2 days. (I'd probably be hearing it all of the time, but I'm rolling to a stop and praying it goes away). I asked if they could check it out .. he barked back, "Not if you need it back in 3 1/2 hours!!" Ahhh, it's great when you get good customer service, isn't it? I told him I needed it back by a certain time, plus I opted to wait for it rather than take a loaner. I told him I'll keep an eye on it and bring it back if I keep hearing it. He nodded. :rant:

10-15-2006, 02:46 AM

fourfourto

10-15-2006, 03:39 AM

Is there any update on this problem ? I'm having the same problem now. The grinding sound is like the front brake caliper is touching to the wheel, and the brake pedal is also vibrated simultaneously. But, there is no impression of rubbing between a brake caliper and a wheel.

Go to this link in teck section I have a sound fie there does it sound like yours ?

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=315945#post315945

10-15-2006, 07:06 AM

Go to this link in teck section I have a sound fie there does it sound like yours ?

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=315945#post315945

I have no chance to check the grinding sound from outside. Therefore, I can't tell you whether or not mine is the same sound as the one you are experiencing. But, the timing when the sound is generated is the same as yours. It's just before a complete stop.

Hmmm2

10-15-2006, 07:24 AM

I have no chance to check the grinding sound from outside. Therefore, I can't tell you whether or not mine is the same sound as the one you are experiencing. But, the timing when the sound is generated is the same as yours. It's just before a complete stop.
Mine is the same as fourfourto's sound. When you're driving, the sound inside the truck sounds more muffled ... more of a low groan sound, close to what you hear on his #1 sound file. We can both also feel something in the brake pedal at the same time that we hear the groan when you come to a final braking stop.

fourfourto

10-15-2006, 03:46 PM

Hmmm3 and BB try to get a sound file also when are you bringing it in to the dealer.
I will probobly go in this friday or next friday.

11-03-2006, 04:39 AM

I don't know this works for others, but just for your information.

Today I tired one little thing, and there is no groan sound now. What I have done is to lower the right front a little by torsion bar adjustment (equalize the height of left and right front), that's it.

I guess that ABS was activated and it made a groan sound from the right front, becuase the height of the right front was higher than the left and the weight of the vehicle intensively moved on the right front tire when braking on a downhill road.