It's time to put on some protection.... [Archive]

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
You could tack those rib bones under there.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking about getting a custom skid plate with a picture of your nostril on it, but that's not a bad idea.

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:

Did you see the mid section protection he made for Adam and I just prior to Moab? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but I thought it was just a custom prototype, not for sale. I'd like one of those cause they seem perfect.

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
BTW the thread title is misleading and the word Trojan comes to mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have said "I need some protection, but I'm not into Rubber's option".

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 09:21 PM

The rib bone is connected to the skid plate,
The skid plate is connected to the.....

Oh well, forget it.

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 09:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
BTW the thread title is misleading and the word Trojan comes to mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should have said "I need some protection, but I'm not into Rubber's option". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Kevlar?

Longhorn

11-30-2005, 09:30 PM

Have you CO guys talked with Matt over at Rockware? http://www.rockware.net

I know they do custom fab stuff for Rovers and Yotas. (I used to have some of their suspension components on the D90)

He might be a good resource and they do have a rockcrawling focus. It seems like the potential customer base for H2s is large enough to justify some $ for R&D (on his end).

I'm interested in something better too. My frame rails are not too purty these days.

ROX

11-30-2005, 09:31 PM

HAHA! Talk about a misleading thread tittle... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My undercarriage is toast too. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I had the guy at the muffler shop bend my tailpipe back into position, and noticed the cross-pipe from the drivers side cat was mashed as well. We tried to bend the cage back down, but we're going to have to take it off to straighten it. Great way to break in a new rig! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didn't see Adams. Do we have a picture?

Won't anything else just get bent too?

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
Won't anything else just get bent too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The cage that Adam and Alec have look 10 times beefier than stock cage. It certainly wouldn't bend as easy at the playdoh stock cage.

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Longhorn:
Have you CO guys talked with Matt over at Rockware? http://www.rockware.net

I know they do custom fab stuff for Rovers and Yotas. (I used to have some of their suspension components on the D90)

He might be a good resource and they do have a rockcrawling focus. It seems like the potential customer base for H2s is large enough to justify some $ for R&D (on his end).

I'm interested in something better too. My frame rails are not too purty these days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sounds like a lot of hassle. I'm sure Tim would be up for it. I'm too busy and lazy.

NoMoGMPG

11-30-2005, 09:42 PM

What problem is there with the RubberDuck UCP? I have it on mine, albeit an H1, and it is VERY heavy duty and well made.

CO Hummer

11-30-2005, 09:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
What problem is there with the RubberDuck UCP? I have it on mine, albeit an H1, and it is VERY heavy duty and well made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know. That's all I was told so I can't verify it myself.

DRTYFN

11-30-2005, 10:11 PM

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 10:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
What problem is there with the RubberDuck UCP? I have it on mine, albeit an H1, and it is VERY heavy duty and well made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>From a few pics I remember seeing, the same as the stock UCP. It bends up in the wrong places and is only slightly beefier than stock. Once bent up, round tubing UCP has weakened and no longer holds it's strength.

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 10:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
H2Finally's fell off on Golden Spike http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Was his RD? Didn't it end up getting zip-tied back together?

H2Oguy

11-30-2005, 10:48 PM

All right Alec don't rub it in. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Obviously I have been behind the ball for some time now, but I am getting very close to start filling your order as well as others that have been waiting. I have been laying low and trying to get everything lined up so I don't have to make others suffer as you, Adam, and a few others have. When I get back in the game I will have the complete front skid, mid rails, and rock rails, front and rear bumpers, and roof racks, along with a couple of other neat items I have been toying with.

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 10:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Oguy:
All right Alec don't rub it in. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Obviously I have been behind the ball for some time now, but I am getting very close to start filling your order as well as others that have been waiting. I have been laying low and trying to get everything lined up so I don't have to make others suffer as you, Adam, and a few others have. When I get back in the game I will have the complete front skid, mid rails, and rock rails, front and rear bumpers, and roof racks, along with a couple of other neat items I have been toying with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Pictures? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NoMoGMPG

11-30-2005, 11:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
What problem is there with the RubberDuck UCP? I have it on mine, albeit an H1, and it is VERY heavy duty and well made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>From a few pics I remember seeing, the same as the stock UCP. It bends up in the wrong places and is only slightly beefier than stock. Once bent up, round tubing UCP has weakened and no longer holds it's strength. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The stock UCP may be tubing, but the RD product is solid bar stock and doesn't bend very easily if at all.

PARAGON

11-30-2005, 11:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
What problem is there with the RubberDuck UCP? I have it on mine, albeit an H1, and it is VERY heavy duty and well made. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>From a few pics I remember seeing, the same as the stock UCP. It bends up in the wrong places and is only slightly beefier than stock. Once bent up, round tubing UCP has weakened and no longer holds it's strength. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The stock UCP may be tubing, but the RD product is solid bar stock and doesn't bend very easily if at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not unless he changed it. I think it even said it was 1" tubing on his website.

Fubar

11-30-2005, 11:36 PM

count me in if Neil's open to a group purchase or a possible group discount. or is he not set up to do mass production? 18 months seams a bit long to wait for a product that's already been threw R&D

H2Oguy

11-30-2005, 11:42 PM

I am getting close to being ready to mass produce, but not there yet. If others are willing to wait for my equipment it is only fair to offer a group purchase/discount. but I am not quite there yet. Sorry

PARAGON

12-01-2005, 12:07 AM

The great Shaggy spotting. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

H2Oguy

12-01-2005, 12:36 AM

Sure I knew, I don't mind it's not like it shows that I am a bad driver, http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif or does it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

we will have to talk again about the difference I am a little fuzzy on it. or we can just talk about it when you come down to get your new front and rear bumper! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

DRTYFN

12-01-2005, 01:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Oguy:
Sure I knew, I don't mind it's not like it shows that I am a bad driver, http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif or does it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

we will have to talk again about the difference I am a little fuzzy on it. or we can just talk about it when you come down to get your new front and rear bumper! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not going to happen, snapperhead.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Oguy:
or we can just talk about it when you come down to get your new front and rear bumper! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Someone would kill me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And no one would ever find you.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CO Hummer

12-01-2005, 02:17 AM

So, to summarize......

The only options:
(1) Get some crappy Rubber Duck stuff
(2) Wait 18 months for a custom from Neil?

Is that all?

DennisAJC

12-01-2005, 02:27 AM

Screw your underbody protection Alan. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Where the hell is my rear winch bumper DRTY??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

timgco

12-01-2005, 02:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
So, to summarize......

The only options:
(1) Get some crappy Rubber Duck stuff
(2) Wait 18 months for a custom from Neil?

Is that all? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you should buy some larger tires first. Than you won't hit as hard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And don't let Shaggy spot you either; That should help a lot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I still remmeber in Moab that Finally's Rubber Duck UCP was falling off. It held up well (I think) excpet the factory mounting points were stripping out.

Neil, when's the H3 UC stuff coming out? Will the H35 be out by than? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

H2Finally

12-01-2005, 03:36 AM

My Rubberduck UCP is 1" SOLID STEEL. Trust me when I said it's tough as hell cause I had a hell of a time trying to straigthened it (using Drty's method of turning it upside down on a 4x4 and driving over it). I drove over it at least 10x, and when I put it back on, I got MAYBE 1/4" clearance.

Btw, this was the first time I had to straightened it after numerous wheeling including 2 John Bull trails (where rock THUMPS! is a constant event http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) in over 20K miles.

It fell off on Golden Spike because the mounting holes on the factory frame are crap (PhilD can confirm), and I lost most of the factory bolts; though I'm sure the weight of the Rubberduck is a contributing factor (mustta weigh at least 5x the stock tubes). On his suggestion, I ended up re-taping all of em to a larger diameter bolt.

I understand H20's design is superior because it protects a much wider area (whereas the Rubberduck is almost just a beefier replacement), and simply top of the line quality.

KenP

12-01-2005, 04:20 AM

Waiting Neil.

oma

12-01-2005, 01:28 PM

I've had Rubber Duck's UCP for about 1 1/2 years and have not had any problems. I've been through several boulder fields/dry creek beds. The other H2's with stock UCP on the trip were bent up pretty good.

PARAGON

12-01-2005, 01:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Waiting Neil. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>x2

Neil. Drop everything else you were even thinking about doing. GITRDONE now.

ROX

12-01-2005, 02:50 PM

H2Oguy

12-01-2005, 09:21 PM

Negative,
you would only have to wait 18 months if you wanted the items 18 months ago. I am not going to shoot myself in the foot again and say when exactly I am going to be ready but I am trying to have everything (not just the Underbody stuff) done and ready to go aroud February.

Just a tid bit of info; solid bar is only about 1.25 times stronger in column strength vs. a pipe of the same diameter. The impact strength of solid bar is better but the strength to withstand bending is not that much greater. Thus the need for a better design in contact points to the frame and different structural material is needed for the best protection. It has been a while but if I recall correctly I selected the material that I used for my midrails because it was 5 times stronger than that of round pipe. Sorry if that was to much info.

CO Hummer

12-01-2005, 09:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Oguy:
Negative,
you would only have to wait 18 months if you wanted the items 18 months ago. I am not going to shoot myself in the foot again and say when exactly I am going to be ready but I am trying to have everything (not just the Underbody stuff) done and ready to go aroud February.

Just a tid bit of info; solid bar is only about 1.25 times stronger in column strength vs. a pipe of the same diameter. The impact strength of solid bar is better but the strength to withstand bending is not that much greater. Thus the need for a better design in contact points to the frame and different structural material is needed for the best protection. It has been a while but if I recall correctly I selected the material that I used for my midrails because it was 5 times stronger than that of round pipe. Sorry if that was to much info. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you check your PM, PLEASE!