CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SH*T?!!!!

[DRTYFN]

I'm about ready to blow a gasket!!!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml
States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile


CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005

Taxing By The Mile


"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that."
David Kim,
engineer


(CBS)*College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.

"I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.

So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.

And what kind of mileage does he get?

"The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.

And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.

Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.

"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.

Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

"So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.

The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.

"We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.

"Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."

Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

"It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."

But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.

[DRTYFN]

I'm about ready to blow a gasket!!!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml
States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile


CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005

Taxing By The Mile


"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that."
David Kim,
engineer


(CBS)*College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.

"I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.

So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.

And what kind of mileage does he get?

"The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.

And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.

Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.

"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.

Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

"So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.

The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.

"We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.

"Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."

Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

"It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."

But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.

[intimidator]

a toggle switch in line with the speedometer will solve this problem.

[JohnB.GWU.]

and if you go the toggle swith route, remember to pay the exact amount of mileage in gas you "toggled off" so that big brother doesnt supoena your gas credit card statement and screw you come tax season if they ever audit you.

[JohnB.GWU.]

and if you go the toggle swith route, remember to pay the exact amount of mileage in gas you "toggled off" IN CASH so that big brother doesnt supoena your gas credit card statement and screw you come tax season if they ever audit you.

[NJ H2]

If they remove the gas tax on gas and replace it with tax by the mile then that could possibly be better for Hummer owners since we don't travel as many miles (per galon) as those Hybrids. Of course they would most likely not remove the gas tax and just add the tax by the mile tax! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Spike]

Everytime you turn around these cocksuckers have their hand in your pocket. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I'm about ready to blow a gasket!!!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml
States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile


CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005

Taxing By The Mile
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DRTYFN Location: Oregon Shame, shame, shame. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

Wouldn't it be just poetic if they only tax the Hybrid owners since they are the main reason some states are strapped for cash on road repairs. Hell, potholes never bothered an H2.

[RIC-H0]

That means the those of us that offroad, will pay close to nothing. Gas will be basically tax free while we are wheeling!
Finally, something in the offroad enthusiasts favor!
I agree that that tax would suck, especially in Texas, where you travel forever to get to the next town, and where half a long distance road trip is spent reaching the border!

I guess we need to have a talk with W. about exempting Texas from that tax bill!

Ric-H2

[Fubar]

The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.
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Ok here is proof positive that they stopped teaching common sense in school years ago and it also confirms that that today’s college graduates have a degree not worth the paper it is written on.
Here's my point business in California are packing up and moving on or simply going out of business due to taxes and all the regulations they must meet to do business in the state. Now your going to further tax the people that need to get to there jobs so that the business can make money from there labor to pay its taxes to the state. What a messed up world we live in.. Do they really think that employers are going to allow there work force to come in at off hours in order to help the state? Do they really believe that the employees will be willing to work swing shifts? I don't think so. This thing will get shot down before it ever gets started. Still it pisses me off that some so called college graduate thought it up in the fist place.
Ok I'm done ranting http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[timgco]

Dennis, I hope you have an extra room. I'm moving to Canada if they pass that BS tax.

[4churchill]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Dennis, I hope you have an extra room. I'm moving to Canada if they pass that BS tax. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh boy robert redford junior has just arrived.....although it could happen, the way our government works it would take years to getthis program off the ground, and imagine the dissent if we had to retrofit our cars with devices tha WE have to pay for, for the first time in my life i think i'd actually WANT to sic the ACLU on them

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Wouldn't it be just poetic if they only tax the Hybrid owners since they are the main reason some states are strapped for cash on road repairs. Hell, potholes never bothered an H2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This will never happen Dennis...thanks to that wonderful George W. Bush http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/picts/smiley_abcs.gif

[Klaus]

If these kinds of things aggravate you, it's time for you to join the National Motorists Association - The NRA for motorists.

http://www.motorists.org/

They are the organization that fought and helped kill the evil 55 MPH national speed limit. I've been a member for 20 years.

[ckhagman]

I am not sure what I should think. I tend to drive at least 500 or more miles a week for work. So they would tax my company for me to make a living. This will never fly.

[devilsfan]

This will never pass. At least not under the current administration - it's double taxation. We're already paying taxes to use, construct and repair the roads.

There is going to have to be a loophole for non-paved roads that are not government funded or supported. You can't tax private roadways....which means, like Ric says, it'll be a good time to own an H2. I can easily arrange for 99% of my driving to be on non-paved highways if this law goes into effect. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stacy

[NJ H2]

Or maybe they should add the:
NON GAS GUZZLER TAX to the purchase price of those hybrids! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ckhagman]

From what I understood they wanted to elimitate gas tax and just tax per mile.

If they don't then yes it would be double taxation which is perfectly legal in this country. Inheritance tax is double taxation.

[Hummertech]

If they ever did try to do this using GPS, it would be simple to defeat. Every GPS system has to have some type of antenna, which all can be disabled easily one way or another. And if this was done, they wouldn't know for sure if you disabled it since GPS can't locate you in tunnels, parking garages, some personal garages. All they would know is they can't see you.

[devilsfan]

If it does become law, they'll definitely write in a provision regarding the disabling of such devices. They're not that stupid - a family of 4 and one vehicle only traveling 5 miles a week sends up red flags.

Here's why it won't pass:
1 - Any company that involves road travel - UPS, service industries, you name it - will go into bankruptcy or have to raise their rates to astronomical prices. Or the government will have to cut them a deal, which makes no sense anyway since the larger trucks do more harm than any sedan on road conditions.
2 - Any company in a major city without rail transportation will likely turn to home-based telecommuting to ease cost. They'll no longer need those mega-offices...downtowns will fail. As will all the support that goes with it - architecture/design/engineering firms fall, cleaning services, office supply and temp agencies, etc. You will kill any revitalization efforts underway. If you turn to the opposite direction - have people move closer to the cities - then you're stuck with wastelands of tract homes.
3 - State and national parks will collapse. High gas prices are already taking a toll....imagine what doubling that cost would do to summer travel.

I'm sure if I could think of a billion more. Like I said, it's not going to happen. There are too many contingencies.

Stacy

[Spike]

Now Maryland wants to jump on the bandwagon by implementing a $750.00 surcharge for all SUV's with a gross weight of over 6,000 lbs. They are claiming that the larger SUV's pose a greater safety hazard on roads. I guess by collecting an additional $750.00 per vehicle that will help eliminate the additional safety hazard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif What a bunch of money grubbing jerkoffs!

[Spike]

http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=33400
SUV Penalty Bill Unfair to Maryland Families, Farmers, Boaters, Equestrians, and Others




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AIADA summary

WASHINGTON -- A Maryland bill that would impose an unfair and extortive tax on owners of large SUVs would only succeed in punishing families, farmers, boaters, equestrians, and others who rely on the utility and safety offered by the popular vehicle.

Under a bill introduced by Maryland Delegate William A. Bronrott, owners of larger vehicles would have to pay a surcharge of $750 each year on top of the registration fee already required by the State of Maryland.




WASHINGTON -- A Maryland bill that would impose an unfair and extortive tax on owners of large SUVs would only succeed in punishing families, farmers, boaters, equestrians, and others who rely on the utility and safety offered by the popular vehicle.

Under a bill introduced by Maryland Delegate William A. Bronrott, owners of larger vehicles would have to pay a surcharge of $750 each year on top of the registration fee already required by the State of Maryland. A hearing on the bill was held today by the Maryland House Environmental Matters Committee. If passed, it would go into effect in October.


"Larger vehicles have lower fatality rates, and SUVs, especially the larger ones, have the best overall safety records," said Ron DeFore, president of SUV Owners of America. "That’s why many families choose to drive SUVs. So why does Maryland want to punish them? This tax would place an unfair burden on many families, and others who may not be able to afford the additional tax and be forced into smaller vehicles that they don’t want to drive. We urge Maryland legislators from outside the Washington, DC suburbs representing farming, boating, and other ’real-world’ pursuits to vote nay on this irresponsible bill."




SUV Owners of America is a fully independent, non-profit organization with more than 23,000 supporters, representing the interests of 25 million SUV owners nationwide. For more information, visit http://www.suvoa.com/.

[ROX]

Once they put a "tracking system" in your car, they'll use more excuses to keep track of what you're doing and where you're going. It's bad enough they're equipping cars with black boxes now. Sounds like the communists have moved into America, and they're chipping away at your privacy and your Constitution.

George Bush has not signed the highway bill yet.
He was supposed to sign it last year. States and Counties use this money to bid on jobs around the state. Most of these jobs are bid during the winter months. If they don't know how much money they've got they can't get their bids out to the contractors. States supplement this money with money from gas tax; and taxes on big rigs. (which already pay mileage tax) Oregon already has some of the highest Road taxes and fees in the country. Oregonians won't raise taxes for their special interests, and instead of doing more with less, the state has been raising their fees. At any point you come in contact with the State of Oregon, you're fees have gone up.
At some point, like California, you start to get a bad reputation, and no one wants to live there. That's one reason so many people live in Vancouver, Wa and commute across the river to Portland, Or.
I moved here for a job 13 years ago. It was nice then, but now we're thinking of moving, and we'll pay taxes to another state that appreciates it.

What a sore subject! You're fired Drty!!

[Albie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spike:
Everytime you turn around these cocksuckers have their hand in your pocket. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who said you had to be married to get F**ked out of your money!!!!!!!!!!

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
What a sore subject! You're fired Drty!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HEY!!! I'd run for office and fix it but my closet(no homo jokes needed- ya bastiches) is chocked full of skeletons and womanizing.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[4churchill]

drty that never stopped ted kennedy http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif i just cant see this law coming to fruition any time soon, the gov needs to deal with more imprrtant things such as social security and the tx code (federal level) and the states have even more bull **** to deal with...its scary to think about the power the government can have over you.