"Send Fubar To Moab" Charity Drive

[Adam in CO]

So, as many of you know, Fubar has not had a running Hummer since we went to Moab last year. The problems that his Hummer has suffered are beyond my comprehension and understanding. All I know, is DON'T SUPERCHARGE. I am going to open an account to "Save Fubar's Hummer" at US Bank in the Denver Tech Center and deposit one whole dollar (USD, Dennis). Those of you that are willing to contribute to the "Send Fubar To Moab 2006" fund are welcome to contact me for routing and account information.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Adam in CO:
All I know, is DON'T SUPERCHARGE.

I agree with that. I've yet to meet anyone with a supercharged H2 that hasn't had problems.

[CO Hummer]

Also,
I am willing to donate 3% of my tube step sales to this cause.

[Fubar]

thanks guys.
THANKS Adamhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

can I get that routing number I'll donate what I can.?

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[HGW]

I would like to contribute to the fund. I know Fubar well. He sure has had his problems with his supercharger.

Funny, though---I have yet to have a client that has had a problem with a Supercharger. They just need to be installed right in the first place, tested properly before given back to the client, and then not fu..ked with by the client after the install. I would say in Fubar's case, No.1 & No. 2 did not happen.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally posted by HGW:
I would like to contribute to the fund. I know Fubar well. He sure has had his problems with his supercharger.

Funny, though---I have yet to have a client that has had a problem with a Supercharger. They just need to be installed right in the first place, tested properly before given back to the client, and then not fu..ked with by the client after the install. I would say in Fubar's case, No.1 & No. 2 did not happen.

I don't know Fubar but I agree with HGW, supercharging is only as good the people installing and tuning.

I've had superchargers on MANY vehicles and have yet to lose a motor because of one. In fact, I just ordered a supercharger for my S10 with a 468cu. in. bigblock and will be ordering one soon for the H2.

Having said that, I'll donate if ya take paypal.

Mark

[Fubar]

You folks are too kind. Thanks.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HGW, thanks for all your advice over the past few months.

At the rate the repairs are going it'll be spring time before I get my truck back so perhaps I'll load up the dogs and drive your way. Most of the delays beside inept people has been getting insurance/warranty companies to honor their commitments. B*astards they'll take your money quick enough but god forbid you need to make a claim.

Alec, you are probably correct. Although the added torque is nice when wheeling. But used incorrectly said torque breaks stuff.

If I had a "Do Over Button" I would have left the truck stock. The added power is great but what good is it if it's not reliable.

[KenP]

Fubar, are you up for an October run? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by KenP:
Fubar, are you up for an October run? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I don't think his rig will be ready yet.

[OrangeCrush]

If I had a "Do Over Button" I would have left the truck stock. The added power is great but what good is it if it's not reliable.

Fubar,

Who did your install? And exactly what happened. I'm almost ready to install a supercharger and hadn't heard of any problems before yours. (assuming you used the Maggie)


I ask because my last supercharger was a Maggie on a vette. Once tuned, I had zero problems.

Can you elaborate because assuming the install went smoothly (which is super easy... pinning the crank is the hardest part) that only leaves tuning. An incorrect tune will not make for a happy day. That's the reason why Magnuson always gives out "safe" tunes with their superchargers. You could easily milk out another 10-20% more HP with a good tune.

Thanks,

Mark

[Fubar]

Mark,
Very long story short, I'm having an overheating issue. At the very least the truck runs too hot.

It may be for a number of reasons of which no one will agree on.

I've had a 160 t-stat installed, electronic fans and I'm trying to get someone to stand behind instilling an aluminum radiator. I've heard it will not solve your problem to they leak so we refuse to install them by Cerritos Hummer where the truck is today. Mark Christopher Hummer of Ontario, Hummer of Pasadena, Jessup Hummer-palm springs area, and Lynch Hummer of MI have all said basically one of the two before mentioned excuses. The folks at Lund Hummer in Phoenix have said bring it on down and we'll install the radiator as we've done on every SC'd H2 we've done. So I'm hopefully about that bit of news. It just s*ucks having to make a 10hr drive to get one more piece of a puzzle installed which will hopefully resolve my overheating issue.

Yes my truck, (when I have it) is running a bit too lean but I've been told not enough to cause an overheating issue. And since my truck rarely sees anything above 2500rpm's and I'm not towing anything or racing it most folks swore to me that the amount of lean it's running isn't enough to be any trouble. The SC doesn't kick in until around 2k rpm maybe a bit before.

Having spoken with Magnacharger on many occasions but most recently about there stock tunes they've said that their stock tuning is meant for a stock H2 with nothing having been done to it except placing the SC on the motor.

Meaning no Airaid, no Volant, no mass airflow thingies, no headers, no use of a programmer to adjust for shift patterns or tire size, nothing. Their tune is meant for a stock H2 with stock everything except the SC being added.

If you/I have these before mentioned things then "Custom Tuning" is required but they will not recommend anyone to do it... So short of my driving to see HGW whom I don't believe does anything with custom tuning I'm been sort of stuck trying to find someone qualified to do custom tuning. When I asked Magnuson about the place I had a dyno run (The LAPD- Los Angeles Performance Division) in Chatsworth CA. the teck at Magnuson simply giggled and said he wouldn't use them. ? I'll continue to call them and ask for a different teck they have to know of someone or be able to recommend someone to do custome tuning.

Every dealership I've spoken with from Reno, north of me, Phoenix to the east, and several in S. CA have all said they don't have the ability to do a custom tune.

Oh and it was Towbin Hummer of Las Vegas that did the install for me. (to answer one of your questions)

Personally I wouldn't purchase the extended warranty that Magnacharger offers. It appears to be worthless and its not executed by Magnuson they've farmed out the warranty work to Dell Auto Warranty out of Farmington MI. who you'll have to deal with for any warranty issues, since your factory warranty will be or has been voided by the work you've done or will be doing to your H2. Dell Auto is obviously overworked and under staffed since my truck has been sitting with it's heads pulled off at a machine shop for the last week waiting for an adjuster to show up take a look at the heads and somehow see that a valve is bent. (Whatever) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Until this happens I can't get a loaner vehicle so that I can return to Vegas and get back to work. Yes I know I should simply rent something myself and return home and try and get reimbursed latter. It's the principle of the thing, why have insurance if it's not going to be there when you need it?


You've asked what exactly happened. In a nutshell Towbin didn't think the process threw. And once things started going wrong in their perfect world they threw up their hands and said we don't know what to do.

Assuming you have someone you trust, someone who has installed many SC's and someone who can handle the custom tuning you're going to need, all should be fine and you'll love the power that the SC will bring to your H2. I do agree with Alec that SC-ing and wheeling seam not to mix very well but I don't wheel hard enough to worry about it. It's kind of hard to wheel when you've only had a truck for a few months out of the two years you've owned it.

Best of luck I'm sure you'll be fine. Do you homework (which I didn't when I started this whole process,I have since), or make certain that whoever is doing your install has.

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[OrangeCrush]

I don't think there is anything wrong with most of the aluminum radiators on the market. I think the problem is, now that you have problems, no one wants to take the responsibility/liability of installing and standing behind the radiator.

My suggestion is to find a good company that manufactures an aluminum radiator for the H2 and have your local mechanic install it.

As far as tuning, where do you live? Coming from the Corvette forum, there are many places around the country that know what they're doing when it comes to tuning.

The only problem I see, is I don't know if you have to have a special 4WD dyno or you can just disconnect the front axle.

I'm sorry you're having these kind of BS problems... sounds to me that everyone wants to pass the buck.

Let us know how things progresses.

Mark

[Fubar]

Mark, thanks. check your PM.

Ken, sure October sounds like fun and will give me enough time to get caught up with work and save some money for the trip.

On that topic, I really appreciate you guys being willing to contribute to helping me get to Moab in April with the group.

Before you start contributing let me ask folks like Albie possibly for a ride if necessary or anyone coming threw Vegas, if my truck isn't ready.

Also Ken or Adam I'm going to assume you guys are both in the private topic for Aprils Moab trip. Could you ask around and see if anyone would be willing to split the cost of a room? This would significantly reduce the total cost of the trip for both parties.

From past trips to Moab I know flying solo I'm looking at around $1,200 to $1,500.00 for the week and that's just not possible for me right now but if we can cut it in half it's more doable.


6-8 tanks of fule @ or around $60.00 per tank $360-$480
A week at the Ramada around $800.00
and then food figure $30-50 per day $210-350

[HGW]

For the record, we at HGW, like all SC shops, provide Mag with a spec sheet stating what mods have been done to a vehicle---prior to ordering the SC.

Mag then does the calibration required for that particualr application. On minor mods, like headers and air intakes, the ECU will adjust for those changes.

Mag does provide a fairly conservative tune--the Hummer still runs like a rocket after install. Mag does not squeeze every last once of power that the engine can produce with the SC installed because they have a warranty to maintain. They make the engine run great, but not a peak performance.

At HGW, we rely on the tune provided because we too want our clients to have the best trade off between performance and relaibality. We have people here in NJ that will do the dyno pulls and make the necessary adjustments for a "custom tune." However, we will not warranty our install after such a tune. Let the guy who did the custom tune, stand behind it. There are many of these guys, few are good at what they do.

Remember the stock 6.0 can only handle about 500-525 HP to begin with. To get more, you need to beef up a lot of engine components. Now, we WILL do that if you want and make your Hummer sing--but to squeeze a few extra HP out of a stock block is a waste of money and a lot of risk.

Fubar--as you know---something was wrong with the Mag or the install. There was no need for a custom radiator or twin fans, etc. on a basic SC install.

If I had your Hummer, I would reinstall the SC from page one---we have talked about this. Since Towbin and others have already lead you down a path of fans and radiators, there is little turning back.

Once your heads are fixed, I hope your problem goes away. Keep calling a you need so your Hummer gets back on the road.

[OrangeCrush]

I need to clarify something I mentioned earlier. I was telling you what to do assuming you know you need a radiator.... however...

I agree with HGW. There shouldn't have been a need for a aluminum radiator in the first place. Something has to be wrong if you're having an overheating problem... whether it be install, charger, radiator or waterpump.

No matter what the cause, my thought to putting an aluminum radiator in your truck is a band-aid for the real problem. It may indeed cure your overheating problem but something has to be causing it to overheat in the first place. (back to heads, radiator, waterpump, install, charger, etc, etc) Hell, it could even be in the tune, perhaps they messed up the field in where they input timing.

I had a problem with a supercharged corvette that I had dynotuned at least by 4 different guys. We kept having a pinging problem. It wasn't until another shop was going over the fuel and timing tables that we realized that someone made a simple mistake.

I'm not sure if you've ever looked at a fuel table but it's an entire page with little blocks with data that tell the computer what degree, what temp, when and how long to do whatever function the table is talking about.

Anyway, I agree with HGW again. I think the cure is to start from scratch... including another tune. Somebody screwed something up.

Hope it works out.

Mark

[Ed G.]

I agree with OC and HGW about the radiator. What did you mean by "lean but not enough to cause a problem"? Any lean condition will cause your engine temp to increase. Are you sure that your water pump / cooling system is functioning properly?

[Fubar]

Ed,
at this point no I'm not certain about anything.
the truck is 2yrs old, it had 5k miles on it when I purchased it and currently has a bit over 19k. I'm going to assume (probably wrong of me) that the cooling system is functioning correctly for a stock rig. But let me explain why I'm assuming this.

Correct me if I'm wrong but for you folks out there not running a sc your normal operating temp is 210 or right around 210 correct? I know before I had the SC put on 210 was normal for my truck.

From what a lot of you with SC's have told me 210 on a rig with a 160 t-stat is no longer considered normal.
Since my truck is still running at 210 I can only assume that I have a problem.

Now I am or would be COMPLETLY happy if come summer in Las Vegas the truck would stay at or around 210. Problem is its not gonna happen.

Now perhaps its a problem of where I live but when the ambient air temp in LV reaches 120+ and pretty much stays around there for 12-16 weeks during summer I have a problem seeing my cooling temp raising to 250+. At 260 the bells and whistles on the center display go off telling you that the engine coolant is too hot. This to me is a problem.

I know you folks on the east coast have some hot sticky days but there is a huge difference between 100 degrees with 90% humidity and 120 degrees with 3-5% humidity.

I don't know if a larger capacity aluminum radiator is going to solve my troubles but it's one more piece in the puzzle, one more step towards getting to a point where I don't have to check the weather channel to see if I can take my truck out of the garage.

As for lean but not lean enough.

I'm stuck in ca and I don't have access to my paperwork in LV. but when I had the dyno ran to see what the motor was producing after the SC was installed the guys that were running the dyno showed me a graph of what a normal (non SC'd rig) fuel curve was supposed to look like. Picture graph paper with a base line drawn in blue, then they laid over that what they considered normal for a truck that has had a SC installed and running the stock tune, assign a green line to that. Then on top of the other two they put up where my truck was (a red line) running and from looking at the three lines on the graph they came to the conclusion that my truck was just slightly (more lean) than that which they were calling a base line for a truck with a supercharger.

Since part of this particular shops business is custom tuning I didn't much listen to the sales pitch for why I needed to pay them six hundred dollars to adjust my fuel curve a couple of points especially after the tech had said it wasn't an issue since I wasn't towing anything or racing the rig.

So perhaps I'm chasing my tail and I don't have any cooling problem at all.

Perhaps it's merely a by product of where I live and the fact that when you place a SC on top of a motor you are going to generate more heat.

I don't know I only have this fourm as a reference point and when 3-4 of you have said that I should be around 180 for a normal operating temp since I have a 160 t-stat what am I supposed to believe or think when my truck never goes below 210? (yes the sending units and the gauge its self have been replaced) so I don't think it is a faulty gauge or sending unit.

I should have left the truck alone but hind sight is always 20/20. I have to deal with the decisions I've made.

Thanks to all who have offered up suggestions.



quote: Ed G.
Posted 03-13-06 03:13 AM
I agree with OC and HGW about the radiator. What did you mean by "lean but not enough to cause a problem"? Any lean condition will cause your engine temp to increase. Are you sure that your water pump / cooling system is functioning properly?

[Ed G.]

You might check your waterpump and see if it's "weeping". If it is, the pump could be part of your problem. Whether it's bad or not, you might want to check into a high volume pump. Also, is there the possibility that someone swapped pulley's and your running too much boost?

[OrangeCrush]

One more point. Assuming that you don't have a problem, (leaks, plugged radiator, etc) if the temps are running 120 degrees outside, I highly doubt you are going to keep any vehicle running 160 degrees. Once the temps start to rise, it doesn't matter what thermostat is in there.

It simply means that the thermostat is open at 160 degrees and in your case, stays open ALL the time.

Since the sc is making alot of boost at lower rpms, I would think that the sc isn't causing the temps to run up (Just because you have a sc) I'll bet in those temps (ambient air temps of 120 degrees, running 210 is very normal)

Just my .02 worth.

Mark

[Fubar]

Mark, thanks. I know no one thing is giong to solve the heat issue.

I have several friends that have F150's that are supercharged and they're not having any trouble in our summer heat so evidently Ford has figured out the magic combination.

Cerritos Hummer's service department did call today to say that a brass valve guide got sucked into the head and that the head would need to be replaced. We're still waiting to find out who's going to pay for it, me or the warranty company. While this address the check engine light that came on on my recent trip to Ca it doesn't address the running hot or above normal.

[OrangeCrush]

Cerritos Hummer's service department did call today to say that a brass valve guide got

If you lost a valve guide, that would mean that you either can't remove the exhaust correctly for that cylinder (assuming an exhaust valve guide) OR the fuel/air combo coming into the head for that cylinder is incorrect which could be rich or lean...

In either case, it ain't good.

Since they'll have the head off (I'd do a valve job on BOTH heads btw) this will be a good time to start from scratch.

Mark

[Fubar]

Mark,
Agreed.
They said cylinders 2 & 6 had bent valves and if I remember correctly cylinder 6 was the one that sucked the guide.

I'll call tomorrow and ask if they intend to do a valve job while the heads are off.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally posted by Fubar:
Mark,
Agreed.
They said cylinders 2 & 6 had bent valves and if I remember correctly cylinder 6 was the one that sucked the guide.

I'll call tomorrow and ask if they intend to do a valve job while the heads are off.

Oh trust me, they have to....

If they are any kind of mechanic, they'll take off both heads and do a valve job on both, not just the damaged one.

Now, the question is, why did you suck a valve? I don't think the 6.0's have any history of poor head work but lightbulbs burn out sometimes.

Mark

[DRTYFN]

Oh, the heads are off all right. And the inspector is coming out. Otherwise the ass chewing begins.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[H2Finally]

Fubar, that really sucks what you're going thru http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

The good news is, imho, you've ended up at the most competent Hummer shop around. I hope you're communicating directly with Mike Sabarese (the head service honcho). To SoCal Hummer owners, this guy is a legend.

I'm almost local to you -- let me know if you need anything! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KenP]

Fubar, what kind of trade will they give? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Seriously, this problem sucks.

[NoMoGMPG]

Originally posted by Alec W:
Superchargers and hard wheeling seems to be a problem IMHO.

x2

Overpowering in low range brings teh breakage. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Maybe if you put a "MadMax" switch to engage/disengage when on/offroad it would be practical.

[Fubar]

Ken,
Unless you're offering me a job and a relocation package, I'm not in a financial position where I can afford a truck payment.

Worse case the warranty company refuses to pay for the repairs and I have to. My coming up with a couple grand for a one time fix is far more doable than trying to make a truck payment of $500-$900 per month for the next 5 years.

But yes this situation seriously sucks. Welcome to my world.

[Fubar]

H2Finally,
Don't get me started on my thoughts about Mike Sabarese. Since he has refused to return any of my phone messages and phone calls and always seams to be away from his desk I don't have much positive to say about the man.

Cerritos may be one of the better Hummer Dealerships in Ca but if this is the best they get it isn’t saying much.

I'm very disappointed with the way this issue is being handled. 15 days to come to the conclusion that I have troubles of this magnitude is just plain unprofessional.

Mark on the head that sucked the valve guide they are replacing the entire head so I'm going to assume it will come with new valves, and no need to do a valve job to that particular side. Right? The other side I don't know I would assume since both heads are off and at the machine shop that they'd do a valve job on the other head not being replaced.

Is there anything I can suggest to them parts wise that they should use to rebuild the head not being replaced so that this doesn't happen again?

Drty, Thanks for your assistance today.
Everyone else thanks for the support.

H2finally, my head is a bit messed up right now and I know I'm not thinking clearly,but your the one who has a resturant in Manhatten Beach correct? Perhaps I'll come see ya if I can steal mom's car for a few hours.
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Originally posted by H2Finally:
Fubar, that really sucks what you're going thru http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

The good news is, imho, you've ended up at the most competent Hummer shop around. I hope you're communicating directly with Mike Sabarese (the head service honcho). To SoCal Hummer owners, this guy is a legend.

I'm almost local to you -- let me know if you need anything! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[4Skin]

Originally posted by Fubar:
H2Finally,
Don't get me started on my thoughts about Mike Sabarese. Since he has refused to return any of my phone messages and phone calls and always seams to be away from his desk I don't have much positive to say about the man.<span class="ev_code_RED">Mabye he got sick of your high falsetto whinning like the back talk whinning you were doing in Moab?</span>

Cerritos may be one of the better Hummer Dealerships in Ca but if this is the best they get it isn’t saying much.<span class="ev_code_RED">Mabye they got sick of....Uh...Same as above.</span>

I'm very disappointed with the way this issue is being handled. 15 days to come to the conclusion that I have troubles of this magnitude is just plain unprofessional.<span class="ev_code_RED">I suppose it's the same when you are filming the gay porn. You demand full and perfect insertion from the male actors. Mabye you're just a perfectionist?</span>

Mark on the head that sucked the valve guide they are replacing the entire head so I'm going to assume it will come with new valves, and no need to do a valve job to that particular side. Right? The other side I don't know I would assume since both heads are off and at the machine shop that they'd do a valve job on the other head not being replaced.<span class="ev_code_RED">That read like a low budget poon movie. Can you say that again with feeling?</span>

Is there anything I can suggest to them parts wise that they should use to rebuild the head not being replaced so that this doesn't happen again?<span class="ev_code_RED">Mabye they're just sick of heari....Again see above.</span>

Drty, Thanks for your assistance today.
Everyone else thanks for the support.<span class="ev_code_RED">*** http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif***</span>

H2finally, my head is a bit messed up right now and I know I'm not thinking clearly,but your the one who has a resturant in Manhatten Beach correct?<span class="ev_code_RED">At least you know he won't chase you when you bolt on the check.</span>

Perhaps I'll come see ya if I can steal mom's car for a few hours.<span class="ev_code_RED">Your mom must be proud of you. Don't let anyone tell you different. She just wears the veil to repel the sun rays.</span>



Your typical H2 owner. Spends all this cash on his rig but can't afford the monthly even though he lives with his mom. Lawdy lawdy oh lawd.

[OrangeCrush]

Your typical H2 owner. Spends all this cash on his rig but can't afford the monthly even though he lives with his mom. Lawdy lawdy oh lawd.

Typical, wtf are you talking about. I'm sure there are some owners out there that are struggling with the payment and perhaps shouldn't own one BUT I can say that for ALOT of people, even those driving honda civics so don't generalize that buII**** comment.

I do make payments. Mine was paid for but since I'm starting another shop, I needed some extra cash so I refinanced my H2... (borrowed 29K against it)

Since you haven't walked in the man's shoes and don't know his particular financial position, my suggestion is to shut up dickhead, err, 4skin.

Mark

[H2Finally]

Originally posted by Fubar:
H2Finally,
Don't get me started on my thoughts about Mike Sabarese. Since he has refused to return any of my phone messages and phone calls and always seams to be away from his desk I don't have much positive to say about the man.

Cerritos may be one of the better Hummer Dealerships in Ca but if this is the best they get it isn’t saying much.

I'm very disappointed with the way this issue is being handled. 15 days to come to the conclusion that I have troubles of this magnitude is just plain unprofessional.

Mark on the head that sucked the valve guide they are replacing the entire head so I'm going to assume it will come with new valves, and no need to do a valve job to that particular side. Right? The other side I don't know I would assume since both heads are off and at the machine shop that they'd do a valve job on the other head not being replaced.

Is there anything I can suggest to them parts wise that they should use to rebuild the head not being replaced so that this doesn't happen again?

Drty, Thanks for your assistance today.
Everyone else thanks for the support.

H2finally, my head is a bit messed up right now and I know I'm not thinking clearly,but your the one who has a resturant in Manhatten Beach correct? Perhaps I'll come see ya if I can steal mom's car for a few hours.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
Fubar, that really sucks what you're going thru http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

The good news is, imho, you've ended up at the most competent Hummer shop around. I hope you're communicating directly with Mike Sabarese (the head service honcho). To SoCal Hummer owners, this guy is a legend.

I'm almost local to you -- let me know if you need anything! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Double damn! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Yeah, Mike isn't good at returning phone calls. But I think that's because he still likes to get his hands dirty too much, even though he is now head of service. Too, he is not a fan of superchargers (talked me out of it when I was considering one -- when I called you about it). Have faith, I'm sure they'll get it done!

Meantime, I'll treat you to the best steak in town & a couple of drinks to cheer you up! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

Can I visit? Actually, nevermind. I'd hate to screw up the night's profits with my drink orders. Or ruin the entire night by some uncontrollable noxious release. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[OrangeCrush]

I would out right ask them if they plan on doing a valve job on the other head. If there is physically nothing wrong with it, you may be hard pressed to get a warranty company to pay for it.

Point is, I'd pay the 150 bucks myself and have it done. (IMO)

Good luck,

Keep us informed.

Mark

[ratesguy]

4skin--who the fark are you, a**wipe. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[HGW]

4skin had to be a current member who is playing a game--something I hate about this forum.

[R2]

Originally posted by HGW:
4skin had to be a current member who is playing a game--something I hate about this forum.
It brings the suck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif*

[Linda_Sterling]

Originally posted by HGW:
4skin had to be a current member who is playing a game--something I hate about this forum.

What I hate are dirty little elves who try and fondle gullible young women with the promise of a big hummer.

I look at you HGW and think, "Yes, I know what he's hoping for."

What a sick and decieving way to satisfy you perversion.

[Linda_Sterling]

Originally posted by Linda_Sterling:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HGW:
4skin had to be a current member who is playing a game--something I hate about this forum.

What I hate are dirty little elves who try and fondle gullible young women with the promise of a big hummer.

I look at you HGW and think, "Yes, I know what he's hoping for."

What a sick and decieving way to satisfy you perversion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Sorry HGW,

I'm experiencing an unusual large discharge of blood this month.

And you're a midget...

[HGW]

On forums, especially this one, there are weak, sad, individual pussies who need to hide behind fake names---how sad the lives of these people--hidden inside them are children or perverts, or secrets that haunt them.

This is HGW, not Hummers Gone Wild---look at the posts--there are around 275 +/- for the fake.

I feel sorry for you sissies. Maybe you should grow up or at least examine why you act like punks. I have come to expect behavior like this from people who can hide behind the internet.

[R2]

Originally posted by HGW:
On forums, especially this one, there are weak, sad, individual pussies who need to hide behind fake names---how sad the lives of these people--hidden inside them are children or perverts, or secrets that haunt them.

This is HGW, not Hummers Gone Wild---look at the posts--there are around 275 +/- for the fake.

I feel sorry for you sissies. Maybe you should grow up or at least examine why you act like punks. I have come to expect behavior like this from people who can hide behind the internet.
HAHA!!! I'm thinking of how short the butt hurt little man is!!11

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[HGW]

Man--how sad it is to be able to have time to photoshop nonsense for a fu.king forum. WTF? Alec W---I have no idea what you mean. Maybe post number 11098 can tell me--do you live on here????

[HGW]

OK

[DennisAJC]

Let's just say I am a Goliath standing next to him. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[OrangeCrush]

Well, another thread shot to hell.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[HGW]

Yep--happens all the time on here---it sucks--try to give advice and some a-hole steels your name.

[CO Hummer]

Originally posted by Jim_Cantore:
And don't make him mad....

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[HGW]

I am not on here much--I come back from time to time because for the most part, this forum has some good info.

I look past the a-holes because they are part of all forums----forum people do not disclose their real names and adresses, so they can be the jerkoffs they really are.

I have posted my name and address on here before--so everyone knows who I am and where I live. I do not need to hide, like those of you with no life but this forum.

[JamesT]

I wanted to step in here. Not sure why HGW is getting bashed but I can tell you that he's a good guy. Met him at SEMA in Vegas and threw back a drink or two. Not sure where the short jokes come from but he's not short. Well, you are ALL SHORT to me but he's not unuaually short.

NOW LAY OFF HIM BIATCHES! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[timgco]

Originally posted by JamesT:
I wanted to step in here. Not sure why HGW is getting bashed but I can tell you that he's a good guy.
NOW LAY OFF HIM BIATCHES! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

X2.

He's a great guy, provides this site with great info, and good looking girls too. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

When I was having issues with my lift on my H3, he took the time to talk with me on those issues. I know of others here that have done business with him and have had nothing but good things to say as well.

HGW = valued member of H2 Source IMO.

After all that, I better get an invite to the next HGW visit to Colorado. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HGW]

Thanks guys---there are di.cks everywhere in life--this forum is no different.

Most on here are good people--just like in the real world there are those who are just fu..heads.