My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv...

[Yetti]

posted by "jimbo" at www.wegotmud.com (http://www.wegotmud.com)



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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I work at VW, so the owner wants me and the other porter to make a display of tourags in the snow...so automatically, I grab the keys to my jeep, and I start making a path for the tourags to go on...im in 4 wheel drive, and I see my buddy in the top of the line V8, with Air suspension (adjust height etc.) and I start to move some more...and all i hear is..."SSCCHHHHHHVHHHHHHHHHH".....tires spinning! that d-bag got a tourag stuck! so I put it in 4-hi, and was doing some 4x4 donuts....and after all the digging, rocking, and other techniques, the tourag didnt come out (the owner wanted us to try all means possible before taking the tow-straps out...) so we tried and tried, finally I got tired, hopped in my jeep, backed it up near the tourag...hooked up the tow-strap, 2 seconds later, the tourag isnt stuck anymore! muahaha....I think it is time for a sticker above my hitch that reads, "Place Tourag HERE!"


After all the bashing I missed, I figured I'd get a fresh thread going.

[Yetti]

posted by "jimbo" at www.wegotmud.com (http://www.wegotmud.com)



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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I work at VW, so the owner wants me and the other porter to make a display of tourags in the snow...so automatically, I grab the keys to my jeep, and I start making a path for the tourags to go on...im in 4 wheel drive, and I see my buddy in the top of the line V8, with Air suspension (adjust height etc.) and I start to move some more...and all i hear is..."SSCCHHHHHHVHHHHHHHHHH".....tires spinning! that d-bag got a tourag stuck! so I put it in 4-hi, and was doing some 4x4 donuts....and after all the digging, rocking, and other techniques, the tourag didnt come out (the owner wanted us to try all means possible before taking the tow-straps out...) so we tried and tried, finally I got tired, hopped in my jeep, backed it up near the tourag...hooked up the tow-strap, 2 seconds later, the tourag isnt stuck anymore! muahaha....I think it is time for a sticker above my hitch that reads, "Place Tourag HERE!"


After all the bashing I missed, I figured I'd get a fresh thread going.

[DRTYFN]

I wish I had taken pictures of the 2 Jeeps I rescued from snow last year on New Years Day.

It's funny how the jeep-nard neglects to mention he probably didn't have stock tires.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[05H2-Bob]

Jeeps are better than VWs http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Kevin B]

Jeeps are cool...............and tough http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Yetti]

That Jeep be "BLING'N"!

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I wish I had taken pictures of the 2 Jeeps I rescued from snow last year on New Years Day.

It's funny how the jeep-nard neglects to mention he probably didn't have stock tires.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that have to do with anything???

Tire tread is obviously one of the most important aspects of traction there is, so if he had the foresight to mount a better tread than more power to him. We all end up without our stock tires after they wear out.

I don't think that anyone on this board would realistically argue that Stock Hummer can follow a stock Jeep on the trail and keep up.

[Superman]

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?s=2826088551&a=ga&ul=4091006101

Whoever did that needs to get smacked

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:


Nope, the stock H2 will leave the Jeep in many/most situations. And lets be clear here, the Rubicon and the H2 are on par, any other stock Jeep will be hard pressed to follow an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has already long been established on this board that there is no substitue for solid axles front and rear. A stock Jeep will keep all 4 tires on the ground while an H2 is hanging them in the air. The rubicon has front and rear lockers, a 4:1 transfer case, solid dana 44's. There is no stock vehicle in the world short of a unimog or g wagen that can match that kinda capability out of the box. The defender 90's were pretty good, but who wants an all aluminum vehicle that suffers from electrolysis corrosion, besides, they don't make them anymore anyway.

I don't even wanna go into what I saw three guys in two H1's doing in at Haspen acres one day. There buddy in his 70's 3/4 ton chevy had his hands full pulling them out of mud holes. those things sink like stones.

[Kevin B]

Jeeps rock http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a wrench and thirty seconds?

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2. Plus the H2 has an advantage with it's wheelbase in some situations. Rubi's are nice, but I have seen them fail trying to follow an H2 and vice-versa, as I said, I consider them to be about par.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have to agree with Seth on this. I have dseen the RUBI work. GREAT RIG! But that short wheele base will flip it over in some situations where the H@ will keep climbing.

[DennisAJC]

Before I got my H2, I was a loyal Jeep fanatic for 8 years.

I can tell you in comparison between my 8 years with my Sahara SE and 2 years with my H2, I can NEVER EVER go back to Jeep brand.

The H2 can do so much more, more cargo, more people, a hell of alot more stable on or off road, safer, more capable off-road I can attest, the list goes on and on. Hell you can even go as far as saying it even gets alot more attention(The whole world can vouche for that.) if you're an attention whore.


If the Rubicon was the same price as the H2, The Rubicon would lose miserably in sales. Well, I think I don't need to go any further. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Superman]

I wasn't talking about adding a grand worth of stuff. Disconnecting the sway bar is a matter of backing off two nuts and folding it up. It is faster than gassing up, filling your wiper fluid, checking your tire pressure, etc.

When people get Jeeps they come with little nuts on the bottom of the door pins. You have to remove those four nuts to remove the doors. A Jeep with the doors off is not a "modded jeep". Same goes for the sway bars. And yes, you disc the front sway bar on a rubicon and you have an out of the box rock buggy. You can not say that about any other vehicle made in America.

I have owned three jeeps and we have one company hummer and I would not try to follow a stock wrangler sport with a ls rear in the H2.

[DennisAJC]

I still see my Jeep friends from time to time. We went up to Stave Lake last year. We played follow the leader. Most of the areas I lead, they could not follow.

Like me, most of the owners here have had the privilage of experiencing both the Jeep brand and the Hummer brand. You on the other hand are starting to sound desperate.

Until you've done that, you're efforts to convince the majority here are in vain.

[Superman]

Call it deperation if you like... whatever. I drove heavy equipment for years. Mostly, rough terrain forklifts. Lull 844C-42's to be specific. The reason that I bring this up is because we put those machines through hell on earth. The have axles which ar pinned to the frame in the center and the front axle has a hydraulic ram which can force the articulation by ten degrees to either side. People who have spent this sort of extensive time off road (42.5 hours a week for three years) can tell you that the holy grail of mud is tire pattern and the holy grail of obstacles is 4 wheels on the ground. There simply is no substitute for this and the only way to acheive it consistently is with straight axles. This fact has never failed me when off roading (and I have done a LOT of it in a variety of vehicles). Put the power to the ground. A ford f250 has straight axles, but it is abviously not the wheeler that a jeep is due to limitations of length, wheelbase, and clearance.

I am not trying to get anyone butt hurt over this but it is simply true that a Rubicon is the best out of the box off roader made in america period. I do not own one, and have no intentions of buying one.

[PARAGON]

Whats with all of this childish know it all crap. I owned a wrangler and modded it to a decent degree and it made it much more fun to trail with but that's it.

I can drive me, my wife daughter and dog 1200 miles to go offroad and do both the trip and the ride in relative great comfort. Driving style is completely different with an H2 as compared to a Jeep.

Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

Ok superdufus, continue on with your mindess drivel.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I drove heavy equipment for years. Mostly, rough terrain forklifts. Lull 844C-42's to be specific. The reason that I bring this up is because we put those machines through hell on earth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only desperate, but also reaching. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You seem like a nice sincere fellow, but what are you trying to achieve???? This is a HUMMER Forum! You're dealing with mostly educated people here who have made in some cases an upgrade from Jeep to a more capable vehicle.

I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

If I wanted ULTIMATE, It would be H1. But a sacrafice in comfort on a daily basis.

If I was single or no kids and wanted some open top fun. Taking in mild to hard trails with gear for one person. Yes sure I'd buy a Rubicon.

I'd would NOT make a 22 hour trip to Moab in a Rubicon. And definitely take on some trails we attacked in Moab. If I did, I would take the trails that were designated for Xterras and 4Runners.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a wrench and thirty seconds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's not "stock" and you know it. Let's clarify this- Stock shall now be "off the showroom floor". Is that easy enough for you to understand?
A stock H2 will easily go where a stock Jeep can only dream of going. I've got a perfect hill to prove my point. Oh yeah, and some great sand dunes. And some nice mud bogs too.

[Superman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:


That's not "stock" and you know it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do not consider the removal of two nuts a departure from stock any more than I consider a headlight adjustment or a change of wiper blades a departure from stock. These things would kill your definition.

What about an oil change???

Is lowered tire pressure a departure from stock???

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:


I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your goal here? It's pretty lame trying to stir the pot with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer.

Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation.

So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners.

[ShaggyX]

You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet?

[Klaus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Posted by DRTY:
At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That won't happen. It's hard to sue when you enjoy it.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its kind of hard to loose contact when I am my own connection. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its kind of hard to loose contact when I am my own connection. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>For you, Shaggy, anything is possible and at times I have wondered if you lost the connection with yourself. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[MONDO]

Oh, my god. It is like talking to children

Plus
You cant pic up chicks in a jeep.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> [QUOTE]My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

QUOTE]

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts.

[Spike]

originally posted by the Shagmeister,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Shagmeister, who now lives in a constant reefer induced haze has finally lost all touch with reality.

[Spike]

originally posted by superturd,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
One entry found for Jesuit.


Main Entry: Je·su·it
Pronunciation: 'je-zu-&t, -zhu- also -zyu-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin Jesuita, from Late Latin Jesus
1 : a member of the Roman Catholic Society of Jesus founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola in 1534 and devoted to missionary and educational work
2 : one given to intrigue or equivocation
- je·su·it·ic /"je-zu-'(w)i-tik, -zhu-, -zyu-/ or je·su·it·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective, often capitalized
- je·su·it·i·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb, often capitalized
- je·su·it·ism /'je-zu-&-"ti-z&m, -zhu-, -zyu-/ or je·su·it·ry /-&-trE/ noun, often capitalized

Same thing!!!! Check YOUR facts douche bag. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I said Jesuit, not catholic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spike:
The Shagmeister, who now lives in a constant reefer induced haze has finally lost all touch with reality. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am an s10 owner who has been bashing H2's on an H2 forum for almost 2 years now. I lost touch with reality a long time ago. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Spike]

Keep up the good work Shag. After all YOU are the official H2 Forum sanctioned resident troll! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And now I must get back to bashing this kid Superturd.

[Spike]

Superturd,
It's refreshing to see that you went to a Jesuit high school for 4 years and a Jesuit college for 4 years and still don't have a ****in clue who and what the Jesuits are. You sound like a little spoiled rich kid whose Daddy sent away to private high school and private college for 8 years just to get rid off. Too bad, a tremendous waste of a good education.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your goal here? It's pretty lame trying to stir the pot <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who is stirring the pot? I didn't start this subject, I am just trying to point out the obvious

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at what point did I say that Hummers were not at all capable?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rubicon has a higher torque/lb figure after all the gearing and it has front and rear lockers so your previous statement holds no water. Knowing those statistics, what magical pixie dust makes it is better crawler? Articulation or not, this is a simple fact: lift a front tire on the H2 and you just lost the front axle. Lift a front tire in a rubicon and you are still getting 100%of the power that is being sent to front axle going to the ground.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to search the internet for side by side comparisons. I just showed you that in the end the Rubicon has more power better traction and a suspension that is better suited to off roading (that has been agreed upon many times on this board). What magical factor it is that makes the H2 better off road I cannot say, but the chips fall heavily in favor of the Rubicon.

I am not stirring the pot. I do not own a Rubicon, nor do I want one. I did not start this point in the thread. If, however, someone charged me with going out and buying for them the most capable offroad vehicle I could find for under 100k, I would be a fool to come back with anything else.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



OOOOPPPPS!!!!!!

[LasVegas]

Give it up Super. Stupid thread in this forum.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spike:
Superturd,
It's refreshing to see that you went to a Jesuit high school for 4 years and a Jesuit college for 4 years and still don't have a ****in clue who and what the Jesuits are. You sound like a little spoiled rich kid whose Daddy sent away to private high school and private college for 8 years just to get rid off. Too bad, a tremendous waste of a good education. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why does one have to be sent away to go to a Jesuit school. What I was pointing out was the fact that the problems associated within the catholic church, in regards to his comments, have not reached to the Jesuit schools.

The jesuits take pride in their dedication to education and for the most part, consider their schools to be a standard above the normal catholic school. Few people would argue with them on this as well.

As handy as your google dictionary is, it cannot tell you everything, so I excuse you dimwittedness.

Every jesuit is catholic, but not every catholic is jesuit, and though not mutually exclusive, anyone who has had dealings with jesuits can tell you they are very different in their methods than normal catholics.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spike:

And now I must get back to bashing this kid Superturd. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see... so you are the mighty e-warrior!!!

I guess I should hang my for you have thrahed me so soundly!!!

I apologize e-warrior http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DennisAJC]

So now you're telling us Jesuits are superior to Catholics????

You're starting to sound like a Nazi.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
So now you're telling us Jesuits are superior to Catholics????

You're starting to sound like a Nazi. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I am a nazi. Dammit, I always get caughthttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Why don't you see if you can find some info on the number of NHS students per jesuit school compared to a normal catholic school. My school had the highest in the state, second in the state, which generally had less than half of us, was also a jesuit school. We still managed to be ranked in the top five in the state in football basketball and baseball as well almost every year.

Better than other catholic schools??? You betcha.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
Who is stirring the pot? I didn't start this subject, I am just trying to point out the obvious
<span class="ev_code_RED">Your comprehension is obviously very lacking. With the out of left field Jesuit comment and now this conundrum. I believe "stirring the pot" is not the same as "starting the subject"</span>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at what point did I say that Hummers were not at all capable?
<span class="ev_code_RED">No, you first, at what point did I say that you said that Hummers were not at all capable</span> http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rubicon has a higher torque/lb figure after all the gearing and it has front and rear lockers so your previous statement holds no water. Knowing those statistics, what magical pixie dust makes it is better crawler? Articulation or not, this is a simple fact: lift a front tire on the H2 and you just lost the front axle. Lift a front tire in a rubicon and you are still getting 100%of the power that is being sent to front axle going to the ground. <span class="ev_code_RED">Here we are again. My tractor has more torque per pound and is geared extremely low and yes it has front and rear lockers AND much more agressive tires, but you don't see me touting it as more capable, simply because it is the sum of the parts as a whole, not just some items. And you are severely wrong about the front end. Lift a front tire and the H2s traction control applies more power to the tire with traction. The H2 has the ability to send nearly all of the power to just one wheel if that wheel happened to be the only one with traction.</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to search the internet for side by side comparisons. I just showed you that in the end the Rubicon has more power better traction and a suspension that is better suited to off roading (that has been agreed upon many times on this board). What magical factor it is that makes the H2 better off road I cannot say, but the chips fall heavily in favor of the Rubicon. <span class="ev_code_RED">Umm, no. You are the one providing the dissenting opinion here, I believe it is you that needs to convince us.</span>

I am not stirring the pot. I do not own a Rubicon, nor do I want one. I did not start this point in the thread. If, however, someone charged me with going out and buying for them the most capable offroad vehicle I could find for under 100k, I would be a fool to come back with anything else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Fool you are. That, sport, is surely something you have displayed most convincingly.</span>

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you have certainly refuted convincingly what I said.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you have certainly refuted convincingly what I said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, sport, you easily refuted yourself. You are your own worst enemy on this subject.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you have certainly refuted convincingly what I said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, sport, you easily refuted yourself. You are your own worst enemy on this subject. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you have certainly refuted convincingly what I said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, sport, you easily refuted yourself. You are your own worst enemy on this subject. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>To describe you, I could not have said it any better.

[Kevin B]

Well one thing he said is true http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

orignally posted by Superman

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> When people get Jeeps they come with little nuts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by N2ITNSD:
Well one thing he said is true http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

orignally posted by Superman

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> When people get Jeeps they come with little nuts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow...I completely missed that. Classic. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
To describe you, I could not have said it any better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So let me get this straight. Money is no object. If I was going to build my H2 I would pull the front susp. Install a rc60 from an 05 super duty with some sort of selectable locker. I would then put a Klune V underdrive on the tc. I now have a vehicle with solid axles, more ftlb/lb, and a TRUE 4wd system with REAL lockers (in other words, grade no longer matters in the "10% grade on one wheel" claim, just axle shaft strength now, which is much higher in the front now). I now have a setup more comparable to a rubicon.

You would consider these upgrade useless by your logic.

[Superman]

Feel free to name a better upgrade package as well.

[Kevin B]

Here is an upgrade every jeep should come with (note the clearly depicted straight front axle which I thought you would like)

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
To describe you, I could not have said it any better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So let me get this straight. Money is no object. If I was going to build my H2 I would pull the front susp. Install a rc60 from an 05 super duty with some sort of selectable locker. I would then put a Klune V underdrive on the tc. I now have a vehicle with solid axles, more ftlb/lb, and a TRUE 4wd system with REAL lockers (in other words, grade no longer matters in the "10% grade on one wheel" claim, just axle shaft strength now, which is much higher in the front now). I now have a setup more comparable to a rubicon.

You would consider these upgrade useless by your logic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Soooo, now you want to pretend logic has something to do with your postings.

I don't think you quite understand things completely here. Having a "setup" comparable to a Rubi has nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities being comparable. So, your little waste of time looking up some 4WD buildup info is quite wasted. Why not just give the H2, the Rubi's complete suspension and drive-train systems? Now that would make their setups more comparable. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Besides, I simply requested that you provide us with standing facts where the Rubi has "out-done" the H2. How hard is that if there is such vast difference in their "setups?"

[Spike]

originally posted by Superturd,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I see... so you are the mighty e-warrior!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No actually I'm just a guy that points out stupidity, and with you it seems to be a full time job! The only thing you managed to prove today with this belabored argument of yours is that you are wrong on both accounts, first about H2's being inferior to Jeeps and second about Jesuits not being Catholics. Only a kid would argue a point ad nauseam even when he knows he is wrong.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
So, your little waste of time looking up some 4WD buildup info is quite wasted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't have to look that up. I know that the spline count on a 05 front superduty 60 is 35 all the way to the outers. They ara available from the factory in 3.73,4.10,and 4.30. They have 1.53" shafts and though not as strong as a 10.5 they are close. I know that an 8.8 has 1.32" shats the neck up to 1.6 before the flange. I also know that a 14 bolt uses 28 spline shafts. Do you even know what a Klune is? Do you know what rc gears are??? What is the difference between rc and hp??? I have personally done a front end swap on a Toyota before. Have you ever set up a diff??? I have. I have done an 8.8 swap on a YJ. Try as you might to make me feel out of my league I have been building and wheeling for a long time, and I would bet that I can do both better than you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why not just give the H2, the Rubi's complete suspension and drive-train systems? Now that would make their setups more comparable. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That makes a lot of sensehttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Besides, I simply requested that you provide us with standing facts where the Rubi has "out-done" the H2. How hard is that if there is such vast difference in their "setups?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the simple fact is that there are good ways, bad ways, and innovative ways to build a 4x4. No matter how you slice it, a Rubicon has more of the good (time tested and proven) ways on it right out of the box than any other wheeler under 100k.

[Superman]

How is the googling going???
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

You are obviously a product of the Bill Clinton school of dodgination (no, not the truck). You have been offering this one same idea, that the Rubi is better, as stock, than anything else under $100,000 but you have yet to offer any proof of it, even with your self-professed experience at "wheeling for a long time."

With all of your experience, why is that so hard to do. Simply prove it. Don't spout BS about their setups which one has nothing to do with the other. Just simply prove what you are saying, that the Rubi out-wheels the H2 as stock. Why is that such a foreign concept for you to grasp?

[Kevin B]

Superman *cough cough* would you rather have a Jeep or a Hummer H2?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
How is the googling going???
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Umm.... I think you need to go back and check on the differences in time between your posts. I don't believe you have any posts within the 10 minute window you used to make yourself look more stupid with this one.

[PARAGON]

Ok, it's been long enough. You have said so much **** on this board that has just slid by. Now, again tell us how the Jesuit comment was not a stupid slip up on your part. How you knew that a Jesuit WAS a Catholic. You thought Jesuit meant Jew, didn't you?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Whats with all of this childish know it all crap. I owned a wrangler and modded it to a decent degree and it made it much more fun to trail with but that's it.

I can drive me, my wife daughter and dog 1200 miles to go offroad and do both the trip and the ride in relative great comfort. Driving style is completely different with an H2 as compared to a Jeep.

Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

Ok superdufus, continue on with your mindess drivel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, it's been a humpteen posts and 2 or 3 more pages but I just wanted to say this same thing again, as it still applies.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Ok, it's been long enough. You have said so much **** on this board that has just slid by. Now, again tell us how the Jesuit comment was not a stupid slip up on your part. How you knew that a Jesuit WAS a Catholic. You thought Jesuit meant Jew, didn't you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't seen anyone come on this board with a link to a jesuit school that has the afforementioned problems. He said something about the catholic priests propensity toward deviant behavior and I was pointing out that this has not been an issue in jesuit schools.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
How is the googling going???
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Umm.... I think you need to go back and check on the differences in time between your posts. I don't believe you have any posts within the 10 minute window you used to make yourself look more stupid with this one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be because I have actually managed to do other things today than just post. I didn't know I was being timed.

[Spike]

originally posted by SuperBOY,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He said something about the catholic priests propensity toward deviant behavior and I was pointing out that this has not been an issue in jesuit schools. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really are a stupid dunce or one of the worst liars in the world. You weren't pointing out anything when you said......
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

except that Jesuits were not Catholics. You remind me of one of those lying Clinton Democrats that just makes up **** as you go in an attempt to dig you ass out of what ever grave you walked into. Did you even graduate from High School?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yet another California Jesuit, Father Canisius (not his real name), says the proposal made at the Jesuits' Rome meeting to accept homosexual members came from the top levels of Jesuit leadership in the California province. "There was a meeting of Jesuits, where a number of them spoke strongly about the right of gay men to be ordained priests and that the Church was wrongheaded and going in a direction that the rest of the culture is not," said this priest. "The people they are bringing into the society and into formation don't believe what the Church has to say about this whole 'orientation' issue. The provincials for all the different provinces across the United States wrote a note that went to the procurators' [2003 in Loyola] meeting, saying that they were upset that the recent pedophilia scandals have pointed to gay people as being the cause. The note went to the [Jesuit] father general [Father Peter-Hans Kolvenbach], saying that 'we don't think this is good and we want some statement that says that gay priests are not the cause of this problem and that gay priests are not the source of the scandals and should not be scapegoated.' The California province is one of the primary sources of this whole problem, not only within our whole Jesuit community in North America but in the North American Church."

A similar note sent to the U.S. Jesuits was signed by 10 U.S. Jesuit Provincials, including Provincial Father Thomas Smolich of California, and included this statement: "we do not equate sexual abuse with sexual orientation. We recognize that what is important to our identity as religious is our public promise of chastity and living it with integrity."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:


Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no evidence that Jeep will be going to ifs in the wrangler. There is, however evidence to the contrary.

No matter what you say about IFS it can never provide one simple physical atrribute that makes a solid axle better in slower form of off roading: leverage.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So in this time when reports of Jesuits dying of AIDS and rampant homosexuality in the ranks, the term "a Jesuit's Jesuit" has taken a whole new meaning. But in the original meaning of the term, Joseph Fessio is indeed a Jesuit's Jesuit and a real priest. We have not heard the last of him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
You are obviously a product of the Bill Clinton school of dodgination <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry I like Bush http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>With all of your experience, why is that so hard to do. Simply prove it. Don't spout BS about their setups which one has nothing to do with the other. Just simply prove what you are saying, that the Rubi out-wheels the H2 as stock. Why is that such a foreign concept for you to grasp? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To ease your worried mind...
http://trucktrend.com/roadtests/ultimate/163_0412_4x4/index5.html

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Mr. Wills quotes the authors of a book who note "the gaying and the graying of the Jesuits." Notwithstanding, the remnant Jesuit leadership is relatively in high regard: "I think the Church is being governed by thugs," Mr. Wills quotes one Jesuit administrator, who would however not say this about the present leadership of his own order. And there is this "social bond" that is "the Catholic version of the gay movement." In some Jesuit quarters you have the beginning of a new form of social discrimination: "Some of those [straight] Jesuits interviewed express resentment at being excluded by the gays." What to do about it? Tough. There is a little band there of "restorationists." But if the order's general in Rome "should try to enforce the papal ban on any homosexual activity, the already thin ranks could be considerably reduced — gays might leave in droves, as heterosexuals already have."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:


Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no evidence that Jeep will be going to ifs in the wrangler. There is, however evidence to the contrary.

No matter what you say about IFS it can never provide one simple physical atrribute that makes a solid axle better in slower form of off roading: leverage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're are blindly stupid aren't you. As a matter of fact MB/Jeep has prototype suspensions already that are independent all the way around using pneumatic ride control which adapts each wheel to the terrain. Even novice builders recognize the usefullness of independent suspensions if they can be applied correctly. I really don't get it, you can't be this dense of a person.

[Buckeye Hummer]

Super,

I have wheeled with rubi's and many jeeps in both my h2 and h1. We never had a stock jeep out with us except a rubi. Now, the rubi does well, it follows the h1-h2 UNTIL....we got to big side slopes or steep climbs, which are numerous out here in socal. Jeeps just roll too easily, this is why the military killed them. So, I've gone through an h2, h1 and now I have a tourag. I'll never take the vw off road but it's well made and I dig it for now. If jeep produces the Rescue I'll probably pick it up. The foundation is similar to the h2 with front and rear lockers and other goodies, to me, that is problem solved.

BTW on the steep climbs out here the h1's and 2's were the only vehicles to do the wicked, rutted climbs. The drivers of the jeeps knew they had a greater liklihood of rollover.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Superman:
To ease your worried mind...
http://trucktrend.com/roadtests/ultimate/163_0412_4x4/index5.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am completely dumbfounded. Are you trying to use that article as a basis for your argument. The rubicon was fifth, the H2SUT sixth and the H1 placed last with the Lexus and the Nissan Titan ahead of all three. Damn, I couldn't drink myself this stupid.

[Yetti]

well...
I have driven the best the Jeep folks have to offer. as a test driver mechanic for Diamler Chrysler Proving Grounds I have had Many opportunites to drive exotic versions of the beloved Jeep.
It has many great atributes, but I have not been able to get a single person at work to take me on for a power to ground test. I asked a guy who has a 1 ton dually V10 club cab to take on the H2 and he said it wasn't worth his time, then he told me to bring the strap and he'd be there....No show.
as for climbing, the Jeeps are like a cat in a tree. it will worm its way through crap only a Dozer could follow, as for the H2... it is the Dozer.
I have been around the trails a bit and the truck has great feel for the ground. I don't think I trust a vehicle more.

If the children of this thread have PROOF of of the differences in the capabilitys I would gladly hear them tabled, but until then sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk.

I only posted the tourag Vs jeep to get Buckeye stired up http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ps, I would hope the meaningless **** the trolls have drug in won't ruin a perfectly good thread.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
You're are blindly stupid aren't you. As a matter of fact MB/Jeep has prototype suspensions already that are independent all the way around using pneumatic ride control which adapts each wheel to the terrain. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am blindly stupid but you think that Jeep is going to kill their flagship vehicle with IFS while the rubicon is selling like hotcakes at a premium to boot??? Why when Jeep builds a truly serious concept like the rescue do they use a sfa???

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Even novice builders recognize the usefullness of independent suspensions if they can be applied correctly. I really don't get it, you can't be this dense of a person. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its a shame all those fools competing in UROC haven't caught on to what the novices seem to have so easily adapted too. They must be dense like mehttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.uroc.com/new/urocV.3.php

[Yetti]

by the way our shop Turd vehicle is a Jeep Rubi. I almost forgot what it was . Its been through the mill. its had the front end torn right out from under it and it looks like **** from being hammered on.
it great in the Junkyard when the muds up to your knees. we have some Gem cars if you'd like to compair those to the rubicon?

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
Super,

I have wheeled with rubi's and many jeeps in both my h2 and h1. We never had a stock jeep out with us except a rubi. Now, the rubi does well, it follows the h1-h2 UNTIL....we got to big side slopes or steep climbs, which are numerous out here in socal. Jeeps just roll too easily, this is why the military killed them. So, I've gone through an h2, h1 and now I have a tourag. I'll never take the vw off road but it's well made and I dig it for now. If jeep produces the Rescue I'll probably pick it up. The foundation is similar to the h2 with front and rear lockers and other goodies, to me, that is problem solved.

BTW on the steep climbs out here the h1's and 2's were the only vehicles to do the wicked, rutted climbs. The drivers of the jeeps knew they had a greater liklihood of rollover. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Jason, well put!

If you had posted sooner, this thread would have been over. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Yetti]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am blindly stupid but you think that Jeep is going to kill their flagship vehicle with IFS while the rubicon is selling like hotcakes at a premium to boot??? Why when Jeep builds a truly serious concept like the rescue do they use a sfa??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

as a matter of FACT...no. the Jeep folks would never introduce a vehicle to put the sales of the Wrangler in jeopardy. I do know that there are lots of versions being test marketed and they would be brothers not competitors or replacements.
the independent suspension is definatly going to replace the old ,but it won't be tommorow..or the next day.

as for the sales of Rubi's being very high...they are a limited production vehicles, so its the first in line who get them, then thats it!

[Yetti]

Scuse me...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am blindly stupid but you think that Jeep is going to kill their flagship vehicle <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I might point out that the Rubicon or any other Wrangler ,Xj,cj,yj,tj has been or will be the "Flag ship" vehicle. That is reserved for the "Grand Cherokee". it is and ALWAYS will the Jeep brands Flagship.

[Superman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yetti:


I might point out that the Rubicon or any other Wrangler ,Xj,cj,yj,tj has been or will be the "Flag ship" vehicle. That is reserved for the "Grand Cherokee". it is and ALWAYS will the Jeep brands Flagship. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Righthttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The GC is the vehicle that Jeep stakes it claim to rugged off-roadability with... not the direct descendant from the vehicle that helped America win WWIIhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Yetti]

I think you are a bit confused about what roll the Jeep played. the Jeep was the best for its place in History.
since that point there have been many versions that are far superior to the Jeep. the H1 was one on a long list that was built to replace its. it was shown the door for our military use long ago.
you may be a bit young, but back in the late `60's and `70's the Jeep was being put out for Commanche pickups and Chevy Blazers. the Dodge Truck even got the limelight for a while.
I have seen the NEW version of the Dodge Mititary trucks. a very capable package that will push our company to the next level in combat readiness.
I hope it replaces the H1, that way I get a better profit sharing check http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif