The 'customization' thread

[Z06RB]

I'm not even sure if you would even call this a Hummer...:crying: :notallthere: :giggling:

http://pics.sr4000.com/picsbig/1227273250-1-11952/Hummer-H2--274787.jpg

:iagree: Sad

[guruerror]

I'm not even sure if you would even call this a Hummer...:crying: :notallthere: :giggling:
This is a fine example of why Hummers get a bad rap and why most off-road enthusiasts don't take these trucks seriously.

[2010_5thgen]

I'm not even sure if you would even call this a Hummer...:crying: :notallthere: :giggling:

http://pics.sr4000.com/picsbig/1227273250-1-11952/Hummer-H2--274787.jpg
makes it alot easier to clean the roof. hey, let the guy do what he wants. atleast he bought a hummer instead of a toyota FJ. and besides...its a show truck. thats what its made for...shows. their designed to get your attention...and whoever built this, got your attention.

[tyler1bo]

Chill out guys, he was going for that streamlined look ;) more economical

[guruerror]

http://www.guruerror.com/images/h2_dumb.jpg

[VegasGuy]

I'm not even sure if you would even call this a Hummer...:crying: :notallthere: :giggling:

http://pics.sr4000.com/picsbig/1227273250-1-11952/Hummer-H2--274787.jpg

Once again I am reminded a life lesson: Too often people do something because they can without first considering whether they should. :lame:

[guruerror]

http://www.guruerror.com/images/h2_dumb.jpg
The driver's door says it all...

[hummeraddict]

LOL, that is surely DUMB!

[2010_5thgen]

man! a bunch of haters here! come on guys. just because its not lifted with 40's doesnt mean its not a hummer. ill bet that once those bags go up, it sits higher than some of the hummers on here.

[guruerror]

That's the sad part...it IS still a Hummer.

It doesn't matter how 'high it sets' with its 'bags up'...it's the perversion of the vehicle from its intended purpose that makes it DUMB.

Do that sh!t to a Rubicon and post it on the Jeep forum and I bet you get the same response.

[2010_5thgen]

Yeah but it's not yours. It's theirs. If he wanted it like this, that fine. It's his/hers. There's probably a lot of stuff done to others that they may not like. This is the freedom of customization. I don't like donks but if someone does, then good for them. I actually wish I could have put bags on mine. It would have made it a hell of a lot easier to get my dogs in the back.

How do you feel about NASCAR? They race camrys and fusions at 180mph. That's not a camrys intended use though. It's all about the sport. Modding a car is based on personal preference. Obviously on an offload biased hummer thread, not a lot on here will like it. But there's a lot of hummer enthusiast who may like the look of it. Sure it may not be functional sitting on the ground but it looks cool to certain Individuals. People need to open up their minds abit and not be so damn judgmental. People on Camaro sites are the same way. That's why I stopped getting on some of them.

[guruerror]

THE SHORT OF IT: You're right...it's theirs and if they wanted it like that 'great' that's their right. In the same token my opinion is mine...and, to me, what they've done is DUMB.

THE LONG OF IT: The part that 'gets' me about this type of customization is that this 'pimp my ride' sh!t is why these trucks get so little respect in the 4x4 world and part of the reason that the brand doesn't exist any longer. If Hummers had been primarily purchased by outdoor/off-road enthusiasts they wouldn't have attracted all of the negative attention for being gas-guzzling 'status symbols.' Hummer could have happily flown under the radar like Jeep all the other full sized 4x4s in this world that got similar mileage. But because ours were perverted (sorry...'customized') like this over and over in the face of the media they became perceived as being elitist, gluttonous, symbols of over-indulgence making them a lightening rod for environmentalists which eventually made the brand so radioactive that nobody wanted it.

And if you still don't buy into what I'm getting at; tell me why Mopar continues to happily churn out 16MPG Wranglers, Toyota 17MPG FJs, and Ford can introduce an 11MPG Raptor and RAM the Power Wagon (they don't even post the MPG on that rig) and no one is vandalizing dealerships. These vehicles are designed for a similar purpose as ours...but yet no one is up in arms about them...they are not seen as harmful status symbols of the global-warming apocalypse. Why? Because they are, more often than not, bought buy individuals that use them for their intended purpose. I guarantee you, if the 'rich and famous' start choppin' and droppin' Power Wagons; blingin' them up with some 24s and rolling to red carpet events, Mopar will drop that truck like a bad habit too.

(wow...that was kind of a rant...lol)

...and I get your NASCAR reference, but I don't think that's an apples-to-apples comparison. Those aren't Camrys and Fusions...they're race cars with Camry/Fusion-esque shells on them simply to promote a particular brand and/or marque. Think more like someone lifting your Camaro, installing a 4x4 transfer case, and slapping on some 38" mud terrains...

[tyler1bo]

Not to mention the Jeep SRT8 and Ram SRT8's..how about 12 mpgs a piece? And I will agree with both parties here, yes he should be able to customize it his own way, as everyone should. I just wish the Hummer brand didn't get bashed so much because it is perceived to the Greenies and "know it alls" as the flashy, showoff, useless, gas guzzling vehicle..which is simply not the case. WE have proved that! The hummer is easily the most misunderstood vehicle in the world. Sure it may not be the best offroader, or the most economical, but it is very useful and I find it to be a very good vehicle. It's different, and many many people hate that. But it bothers me that there are so many vehicles out there with similar gas mileage, and they only point the finger at the hummer H2.

[guruerror]

...But it bothers me that there are so many vehicles out there with similar gas mileage, and they only point the finger at the hummer H2.
AMEN! Too bad that vehicles aren't equipped with an outward facing LCD that displays their current MPG for all to see. The huggers would find out real quick...they're going to need more fingers.

[2010_5thgen]

had only offroaders bought the hummer, they wouldnt have made it as long as they did. hence the H3....

so your telling me because someone customizes their hummer,to a way you didnt like, their the reason the hummer gets a bad wrap for being a gas guzzler? thats a bunch of BS right there. you cant blame an existance on one group of people or the death on one.

[2010_5thgen]

if the hummer were ONLY sold to offroading enthusiast, the truck would get much worse mpg than it does now. you cant say that because someone put 30's on their hummer that they are the reason a whole cars existance is gone. thats has to be the most idiotic thing i have ever heard of. theres alot of things that the hummer got away with that other suv's and trucks didnt get away with. you need to do more research on the actual reasoning the hummer is gone and the actual perks the hummers got when they were created. theres a whole section your missing. and blaming anyone for customizing a car IS NOT the reason a car is dead or getting a bad wrap for gas mileage. the reason it gets a bad wrap is because its a 8k lbs brick with larger than average offroad tires that was branded under GM. CAFE rules and restrictions put this car to rest. it will also put many more cars to rest in the years to come. dodge gets away with things with the ram, because it is no longer a dodge product. certain amounts of units have to be sold to have certain regulations. dodge sells just under those regulations, so they dont have to pay certain fees, or regquire certain MPG's. theres alot of politics going on with this. just do some more research and youll find out the truth.

[2010_5thgen]

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/123192/hummer-is-going-going-but-not-gone-or-forgotten.html

[2010_5thgen]

as much as i hate this site, it has some facts about the hummer and some stuff we got away with...just like trucks now......
http://fuh2.com/


http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/It-s-not-just-a-Hummer-it-s-a-tax-break-1105474.php

[guruerror]

had only offroaders bought the hummer, they wouldnt have made it as long as they did. hence the H3....

so your telling me because someone customizes their hummer,to a way you didnt like, their the reason the hummer gets a bad wrap for being a gas guzzler? thats a bunch of BS right there. you cant blame an existance on one group of people or the death on one.
LOL...what? You're coming off as blind as you claim me to be narrow-minded.

The bling killed the Hummer.

[2010_5thgen]

LOL...what? You're coming off as blind as you claim me to be narrow-minded.

The bling killed the Hummer.
no...lack of sales killed the hummer. along with pontiac,saturn and oldsmobile.

[guruerror]

All of your links are old news...

What do you think thrust the H2 into this spot light? While similar MPG'ed consumer vehicles were left alone? Attention. What draws attention? Flamboyance.

Negative attention = reduced sales...the majority of consumers are programmable sheep. If someone says it's 'bad' then it must be 'bad.'

[2010_5thgen]

All of your links are old news...

What do you think thrust the H2 into this spot light? While similar MPG'ed consumer vehicles were left alone? Attention. What draws attention? Flamboyance.

Negative attention = reduced sales...the majority of consumers are programmable sheep. If someone says it's 'bad' then it must be 'bad.'
So a blacked out jacked up hummer isn't flamboyant? And doesn't draw attention? Or a bright red or bright yellow jacked up hummer? :raar:

[guruerror]

So a blacked out jacked up hummer isn't flamboyant? And doesn't draw attention? Or a bright red or bright yellow jacked up hummer? :raar:
Maybe...maybe not...but at least the "jacked up" aspect adds to the vehicle's intended characteristics and doesn't diminish them.

Let's just agree that we both think each other is an ignorant a55hole and drop this back and forth...

XOXO

[s_c5519]

Speaking of flamboyant, I've never seen gold bling on an H2 before! Hate to say it, I kinda like it!

This one is for guruerror as I know how much he likes the chrome! :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2335/2122216328_dd564a05fd.jpg

[guruerror]

I arrest my case...no wonder we're viewed as the jokes of the 4x4 world...

[tyler1bo]

AMEN! Too bad that vehicles aren't equipped with an outward facing LCD that displays their current MPG for all to see. The huggers would find out real quick...they're going to need more fingers.

People see only what they want to see..IGNORANCE. Step outside the box and do your homework. Plain and simple, if you drive a gas burning vehicle, you are NO better to the environment than the next guy. That's exactly how I look at it, if you can afford the gas (as pricey as it is now) then it's all the same. It's JUST preference on what you choose to drive.

[tyler1bo]

Can someone move this thread to a new one? I hate to disrupt the flow of this other awesome thread..but we DO have a good vent session going here.

[tiny2012]

h2fu doesn't care about the facts thats why they went after the smallest segmt of vehicles sold to complain about.....they aren't going to chase after the rest that do equally as bad on mpg,etc...the earnhart jr.commerical that shows him going fm atv to boats to prevost to race track,not to mention jet fuel.....practice laps,testing,etc... i'd like to see a breakdown on those costs...until those sob's want to pickup my tab at the pump.....i digress...:soapbox:

[2010_5thgen]

still dont see how this killed the hummer
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/cfc-hummer-h2.jpg

and this didnt......
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/Hummer-H2-Custom-Lift-Monster-Lifted-3-ft-2003-10A7A300605290AA.jpg

the more chrome, the worse off the car brands going to be!even if the car brand came with stock CHROME 20" wheels!!!! and a chrome brush guard! and tail guards! and side steps!!!!!
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/P12007.jpg

[s_c5519]

no...lack of sales killed the hummer. along with pontiac,saturn and oldsmobile.

Possibly add the Chevy Volt & Fisker Karma to this too... Can't really blame the gas mileage in this case...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0305/Chevy-Volt-Why-is-production-being-halted

[2010_5thgen]

not to mention they had some batteries explode turing crash testing.

[2010_5thgen]

i wonder why sales of these 3 suvs are thriving right now with these flamboyant rides around?........
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/modified-custom-white-cadillac-escalade-30-rims-mod-front.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/30755090001_large.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/28s.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/4978590002_large.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/4784793010_50d5e6b27f.jpg

[2010_5thgen]

guru...whats your opinion on this then....
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/blackHummerH2.jpg

[guruerror]

i wonder why sales of these 3 suvs are thriving right now with these flamboyant rides around?........
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/modified-custom-white-cadillac-escalade-30-rims-mod-front.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/30755090001_large.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/28s.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/4978590002_large.jpg
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/4784793010_50d5e6b27f.jpg
I thought we agreed to disagree? I guess not...

WOW! Those are some fine specimens of 'chromology' that you've posted. The point I keep trying to make...and will put forth one final time (and I'll type slowly so it's easier to grasp)...the SUVs in your post above were designed to be 'street vehicles;' doing that type of customizing to those (while still silly IMO) is not completely contrary to the vehicles design and purpose.

The H2, while still a consumer vehicle, was designed with off-roading in mind, so the same type of customization is VERY contrary to the vehicles design and purpose; thereby making it more noticeable and ostentatious. It becomes an "I can do this just because I can" kind of thing...which draws negative attention. And couple that with the fact that famous people were pushing these blinged vehicles (rappers, movie stars, athletes, etc.) makes it seem even more ostentatious...a symbol of 'excess'...a perfect target for a green-peace crusade.

OLIVE BRANCH: I'll concede that Bling alone did not kill the Hummer...but he was in the posse that brought the big boy down.

[guruerror]

guru...whats your opinion on this then....
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/blackHummerH2.jpg
...I kinda put that in the same boat; mainly because of how they lowered it. What good will that be on the trail?
...but at least you can't see it from SPACE. LOL.

[2010_5thgen]

Trail or no trail, it looks like a practical street hummer. Keep in mind that probably 75% of h2 owners have never taken their car off road. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm one of those guys. I didn't buy mine to go off road. I bought it because it looked bad ass and it was huge. That being said I'd rock the $hit out of that hummer and have no shame in it.

[H2005]

I drive them off-road for a living. They can go places that very few other vehicles can go. Believe it or not, it really was designed to go other places than just the mall.

[2010_5thgen]

Oh I believe it. I don't think I've made any fight about the capability of a hummer. I just don't use mine for that use.

[2010_5thgen]

I thought we agreed to disagree? I guess not...

WOW! Those are some fine specimens of 'chromology' that you've posted. The point I keep trying to make...and will put forth one final time (and I'll type slowly so it's easier to grasp)...the SUVs in your post above were designed to be 'street vehicles;' doing that type of customizing to those (while still silly IMO) is not completely contrary to the vehicles design and purpose.

The H2, while still a consumer vehicle, was designed with off-roading in mind, so the same type of customization is VERY contrary to the vehicles design and purpose; thereby making it more noticeable and ostentatious. It becomes an "I can do this just because I can" kind of thing...which draws negative attention. And couple that with the fact that famous people were pushing these blinged vehicles (rappers, movie stars, athletes, etc.) makes it seem even more ostentatious...a symbol of 'excess'...a perfect target for a green-peace crusade.

OLIVE BRANCH: I'll concede that Bling alone did not kill the Hummer...but he was in the posse that brought the big boy down. so anyone customizing a h2 should ONLY do it, IF their customizing it to use it offload? And only make customizations to it to benefit it in the unlikely event that the will take it off road? Just because it was made to be a street able offloading truck..... But I think you have it backwards. The bummer is an offloading truck made for the street.

[guruerror]

... I didn't buy mine to go off road. I bought it because it looked bad ass and it was huge...
That seems to be where we differ...I bought mine because of it's capability. I wanted a full-size, recreational off-roader, the fact that it 'looked bad ass' and whatnot were secondary pluses. That's why some mods make sense to me and others seem completely ridiculous.

I'm a 'right tool for the job' kinda of guy...if I wanna drive a nail, I use a hammer; if I wanna screw a screw I use a screw driver. Sure I could drive the screw with the hammer...but why? That's not what it's for. I see Hummers as off-roaders, to keep them on the street 100% just seems like the wrong tool for the job. Don't get me wrong...it's got 4 wheels and it will roll over pavement just fine, but still the wrong too for the job in my book.

...so anyone customizing a h2 should ONLY do it, IF their customizing it to use it offload?
No...they should do what they want; like you said before, "It's theirs." It's just doesn't make sense to me to customize it any other way...maybe I'm muddling the term 'customize' with 'enhance.'

[2010_5thgen]

do we know...like cold hard facts, that throwing a lift kit on a truck with larger tires, that it actually benfits it more than the factory does? i know the ground clearance is changed obviously. but is there testing showing us that by installing a lift kit, that the truck can do better than the manufacturers specs of a 31 degree slope approac and a 22 degree angle sideways? being a higher center of gravity, i find it hard to believe that the truck actually benefits from certain off roading mods.

im not arguing that lifted trucks have a purpose or whatnot, and i love the look. obviously, i had mine done. but does it REALLY benefit the truck? because honestly , you can fight your fight to both sides of the spectrum...the on road customizers...and the offroad customizers.

i never had intentions of taking my hummer offroad...since day 1. i liked it because it was different, controversal, large enough for me and my family, tough, rugged....blah blah...everything the hummer was meant to be....but the case your stating makes it sound like, im not deserving of my hummer because i dont take it offroad. call me a poser for lifting it and keeping it on the pavement...thats fine..i dont really care. i get lots of dumb looks and comments anyways, around town. but the thing that bothers me is that people get very vocal on how they feel the car needs to be used. and thats where i dont agree. at least we live in a place that gives us the option to drive what we want....for now....if obama stays in, im sure this will be bound to change somehow.

[guruerror]

do we know...like cold hard facts, that throwing a lift kit on a truck with larger tires, that it actually benfits it more than the factory does? i know the ground clearance is changed obviously. but is there testing showing us that by installing a lift kit, that the truck can do better than the manufacturers specs of a 31 degree slope approac and a 22 degree angle sideways? being a higher center of gravity, i find it hard to believe that the truck actually benefits from certain off roading mods...

All good questions...and I've often wondered the same about the lift kits. I agree, when done in moderation, 4-6", they look pretty badass. The higher center of gravity is what's always kept me away from them. A slightly larger tire, better front-end components and a bit of leveling does the job nicely in my opinion...improves upon factory design without introducing any of these concerns.

im not arguing that lifted trucks have a purpose or whatnot, and i love the look. obviously, i had mine done. but does it REALLY benefit the truck? because honestly , you can fight your fight to both sides of the spectrum...the on road customizers...and the offroad customizers.

i never had intentions of taking my hummer offroad...since day 1. i liked it because it was different, controversal, large enough for me and my family, tough, rugged....blah blah...everything the hummer was meant to be....but the case your stating makes it sound like, im not deserving of my hummer because i dont take it offroad. call me a poser for lifting it and keeping it on the pavement...thats fine..i dont really care. i get lots of dumb looks and comments anyways, around town. but the thing that bothers me is that people get very vocal on how they feel the car needs to be used. and thats where i dont agree. at least we live in a place that gives us the option to drive what we want....for now....if obama stays in, im sure this will be bound to change somehow.
Not deserving of your Hummer? LOL! This is America, you deserve what ever you want and can afford.


SIDE NOTE: You'd think that neither one of us has a job.

[tyler1bo]

....for now....if obama stays in, im sure this will be bound to change somehow.

God he's got to go..:raar:

[2010_5thgen]

All good questions...and I've often wondered the same about the lift kits. I agree, when done in moderation, 4-6", they look pretty badass. The higher center of gravity is what's always kept me away from them. A slightly larger tire, better front-end components and a bit of leveling does the job nicely in my opinion...improves upon factory design without introducing any of these concerns.


Not deserving of your Hummer? LOL! This is America, you deserve what ever you want and can afford.


SIDE NOTE: You'd think that neither one of us has a job.
yeah were kinda slow this month so i can mess around on the computer more.
but on a side note about being able to drive whatever you want...my uncle works for us. he gets a company car...he wanted a tahoe...so he got one.....he lives literally 10 seconds away...his house is next to our shop.
my other uncle wanted a escalade...he got one...he lives about 2 minutes down the road....and they both use auto start to warm their cars up for their long drive home...... their a waste.

[2010_5thgen]

God he's got to go..:raar:
yeah but who do you go for? romney , who would have let the auto industry die if he were president...or santorum?.....

[tyler1bo]

Oh I agree..we are in the sh!tter as far as candidates go. Our political system is in the pits right now.

[tyler1bo]

I will say this that we cannot avoid getting attention..I get looks absolutely everywhere, and I've gotten a lot of compliments. I didn't do all this to my truck to be an attention getter, I did it because I wanted it for my own appeasement. I truly love driving my truck, just sheer enjoyment. I'm not the most dedicated offroader but I do take it through the sticks every now and then. And I have to admit it does pretty well! I agree that we should customize our H2's as we like them, but I'm definitely not a fan of dropping it to the ground, throwing 30's on it, or jacking it to the sky with 54's on it. Those are a little extreme IMO.

[tiny2012]

i'm still waiting for 0ne of them to jump in a chevy volt and go cross country to a fundraiser,but they can't,the big news could be gm is offering a natural gas option,just nowhere to buy it.....still the big news though....

[2010_5thgen]

i'm still waiting for 0ne of them to jump in a chevy volt and go cross country to a fundraiser,but they can't,the big news could be gm is offering a natural gas option,just nowhere to buy it.....still the big news though....
volt wasnt intended for that. it was made for the commuter...they did studies showing the average distance people travel to work. it ended up being like 60 miles daily is the average. so they made the car run on electric for up to 60 or 80 miles before the generator kicks in. it wasnt intended for cross country touring.

[tyler1bo]

That's like the fisker. I believe the porsche employee said that the fisker will only go so far on battery (and it wasnt far) then it ran on regular fuel.

[2010_5thgen]

and isnt the fisker solar powered generator? im not sure exactly how it works, but im sure they dont sell too many fiskers in seattle or england.

[s_c5519]

volt wasnt intended for that. it was made for the commuter...they did studies showing the average distance people travel to work. it ended up being like 60 miles daily is the average. so they made the car run on electric for up to 60 or 80 miles before the generator kicks in. it wasnt intended for cross country touring.
The Volt is supposed to do about 35 miles on the battery before the engine kicks in. Some have reported 40+ miles on a single charge, but that is under optimum conditions, warm weather, slow driving and braking, not using ac/heat, or power windows etc...

I had one last year, only put 800 miles on and sold it. I was driving it here in New England in about 40 degree temps and was getting about 15 miles per charge. I can't imagine how bad it would have been if it was colder...

[2010_5thgen]

And they did testing for that stuff. Why would it be so horrible? They did years and years of testing, including cold weather testing. That's weird. I'd rather just buy a Eco cruze if I'm looking to get better mpg. My buddies gets close to 50 on the highway.

[tyler1bo]

I think diesel is the future. Batteries will only go so far.

[s_c5519]

And they did testing for that stuff. Why would it be so horrible? They did years and years of testing, including cold weather testing. That's weird. I'd rather just buy a Eco cruze if I'm looking to get better mpg. My buddies gets close to 50 on the highway.
I'm sure that's a big part of the reason why GM put the Volt production on halt today. The battery mileage just isn't there yet on it, and people ain't buying... I think the Nissan Leaf battery gets 70-80 miles, but theres no engine to kick in after that... So that stinks too...

[2010_5thgen]

I think diesel is the future. Batteries will only go so far.
diesel is already here....i just dont understand why we dont have it and its huge in europe.....probably politics im sure.

[guruerror]

diesel is already here....i just dont understand why we dont have it and its huge in europe.....probably politics im sure.
I've always wondered the same thing. We put diesels in work trucks, but nothing else. Makes me wonder if it has something to do with how it's refined and where we have to get the crude from...dunno, haven't really looked in to.

Diesel does seem to be the way to go, though. For sure my next truck will be 'making all that racket' (as my grandmother puts it). No more full-size gassers for me.

Although...you really can beat the sound of a big ole American V8... :)

[2010_5thgen]

I think the only diesel cars we have here are a few Volkswagen models and a mercedes. But in Europe they have all kinds of diesel cars. Getting 30+ mpg no problem. And that's out of large sedans. But you pay more for diesel at the pump. I'm sure people will love the mpg but then they'll complain about the money they have to she'll out at the pump

[guruerror]

I think the only diesel cars we have here are a few Volkswagen models and a mercedes. But in Europe they have all kinds of diesel cars. Getting 30+ mpg no problem. And that's out of large sedans. But you pay more for diesel at the pump. I'm sure people will love the mpg but then they'll complain about the money they have to she'll out at the pump
But I bet if you do the math it all washes out anyway...more at the pump per gallon, but more miles for each gallon. Kinda reverse from how E85 was/is...less at the pump per gallon, but you get less MPG.

[tyler1bo]

My mom has a 2012 BMW X5 with a diesel in it. It will flat haul and gets in the high 20's in gas mileage. And diesel is about the exact same as premium gas where I live. And I'm sure it's politics..America is absolutely retarded when it comes to oil. We could easily drill our own but instead we keep doing the same sh!t we always do. Depend on someone else.

[s_c5519]

guru...whats your opinion on this then....
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy269/2010_5thgen/blackHummerH2.jpg
Guys, I think it's your lucky day, I just found this on CL for sale! :giggling: Seriously, what are the chances of that though, how funny!
http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ctd/2889486523.html

[2010_5thgen]

for only 20 grand....thats a hell of a deal.

[s_c5519]

for only 20 grand....thats a hell of a deal.The ad says he has 2 to choose from, so I am guessing that is for the stock 110k mile one that is pictured...

[s_c5519]

btw, why are the front tires like that in that photo above? Is that a bad front end alignment?

[tyler1bo]

The front wheels look cambered..

[s_c5519]

The front wheels look cambered..
What does cambered mean, is it good or bad, done on purpose, or is it screwed up?

[2010_5thgen]

the wheel looks turned to the left a bit. but there probably is some camber in there too. camber is basically used in racing, but in most regular car cases, its what results in bad tire wear and an allignment. camber angles the tire inward toward the motor from the top and the bottom outward a bit.

[guruerror]

The front wheels look cambered..
Prolly something to do with how the front suspension has been dropped. I notice this a lot on those 'fast and furious' imports that get lowered a nut hair from the ground.

[2010_5thgen]

ford trucks(rangers) are notorious for having horrible camber issues when lowered.

but nost people that have camber dialed in, do it intentionally. i have about 2 degrees negative camber in my camaro. helps with oversteer. not bad enough to run through tires, but just enough to help me in the corners.

[charles06]

Camber is the aspect of alignment that measures the angle of the wheel/tire from top to bottom. The word "camber" does not mean that the wheel/tire is tilted inward. That would be "negative camber". Remember, it is possible for a car to "positive camber", where the wheel/tire actually leans out. Most manufacturers purposely dial in a little negative camber on all cars to ensure even tire wear because when a car corners, the camber flattens out on the outside wheel.

Also, when you lower a car, you increase negative camber. When you raise a car, you increase positive camber.

And like mentioned in the above post, for race/sports car applications, even what seems like a considerable amount of negative camber will still result in even tire wear because of the hard cornering.

[racer24]

I get so pissed at people that give me the finger when I drive my H2. But then I thought what the hell. So know when I get flipped off I just smile and wave back at them. It really pisses them off more so I feel better. I had three guys come up to me bitching about gas guzzling,something about carbon footprint.. LOL and when I opened the door to greet them they seen my pistol sitting on the dash and for some reason they shut up. By the way I do have a CCW so I was legal. LOL should have seen their faces. But really between the bling and fuel prices they both killed the HUMMER.

[tyler1bo]

The way hummer was seen through the media killed it..it "labeled" the vehicle AND it's drivers. Gas prices didn't help because 99% of americans aren't willing to pay for it. Luckily I haven't been bitched to about gas or the fact that I drive mine. I'm pretty sure I've been flipped off and I get some interesting looks from time to time. But most of the time its good. I'm just tired of the stereotyping, it's a vehicle for God sake.

[guruerror]

The way hummer was seen through the media killed it..it "labeled" the vehicle AND it's drivers...
:iagree: That's the point I was trying to make...

[tyler1bo]

I agree with that statement..now to say someone shouldn't customize it their own way is wrong. But please don't drop it, or make it something that it wasn't intended for. I get the feeling people had a bad taste in their mouth when contemplating on buying a hummer. Sure it isn't economical, but what fullsize non-diesel vehicle is? Show me one..(with a V8). I'm also very tired of the, "it's just a tahoe with a hummer shell" statement too..that's just ignorant. For the last time, it is NOT a tahoe. If ferrari were to say they based their frame off a toyota camry, does that make it a toyota camry? I think NOT!! ;)

[guruerror]

I agree with that statement..now to say someone shouldn't customize it their own way is wrong. But please don't drop it, or make it something that it wasn't intended for. I get the feeling people had a bad taste in their mouth when contemplating on buying a hummer. Sure it isn't economical, but what fullsize non-diesel vehicle is? Show me one..(with a V8). I'm also very tired of the, "it's just a tahoe with a hummer shell" statement too..that's just ignorant. For the last time, it is NOT a tahoe. If ferrari were to say they based their frame off a toyota camry, does that make it a toyota camry? I think NOT!! ;)
I agree 100%!

[2010_5thgen]

I agree with that statement..now to say someone shouldn't customize it their own way is wrong. But please don't drop it, or make it something that it wasn't intended for. I get the feeling people had a bad taste in their mouth when contemplating on buying a hummer. Sure it isn't economical, but what fullsize non-diesel vehicle is? Show me one..(with a V8). I'm also very tired of the, "it's just a tahoe with a hummer shell" statement too..that's just ignorant. For the last time, it is NOT a tahoe. If ferrari were to say they based their frame off a toyota camry, does that make it a toyota camry? I think NOT!! ;)
its like saying a masseratti is a ferarri...their powertrain is made by ferarri...same with the hummer. its more comparable to a 2500 truck chassis but interior from a tahoe/escalade/yukon. so its similar....just not exact.

and hummer did what they had to do. sales were droping by the fistfull. and the gas wasnt helping out. the media doesnt control the companies ability to shut down business......but the govt can. and being that the gas prices were up higher than before, who knows...maybe that was their way to kill off some car brands...it killed of 4 of GM's. i think it even killed off a few of fords. even got restrictions passed after everything. even if the hummer were still around now, i dont think they would have as large of a market as they need to to stay in business. they would have been reaching for new ideas to get the sales....majorit of their sales would be from H3's. it just wouldnt have worked out.

[HummerJim]

The way hummer was seen through the media killed it..it "labeled" the vehicle AND it's drivers. I'm pretty sure I've been flipped off and I get some interesting looks from time to time.
In six and half years of Hummer ownership, I've never been flipped off and 95% of the comments I've gotten have been positive. Almost all the negative comments have been about the styling from women over 50. Younger women and almost all men seem to love the styling. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, but at the gas station or in a parking lot I've always had either no comment or positive comments. When it snows here, everyone loves Hummer owners. When I go out to my cousin's farm with mud up the axles, everyone wants to know if I know where I can find them a nice used one!!

[charles06]

In six and half years of Hummer ownership, I've never been flipped off and 95% of the comments I've gotten have been positive. Almost all the negative comments have been about the styling from women over 50. Younger women and almost all men seem to love the styling. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, but at the gas station or in a parking lot I've always had either no comment or positive comments. When it snows here, everyone loves Hummer owners. When I go out to my cousin's farm with mud up the axles, everyone wants to know if I know where I can find them a nice used one!!

I was going to write something very similar. I haven't had any bad experiences.

[tyler1bo]

In six and half years of Hummer ownership, I've never been flipped off and 95% of the comments I've gotten have been positive. Almost all the negative comments have been about the styling from women over 50. Younger women and almost all men seem to love the styling. Maybe it's a Midwestern thing, but at the gas station or in a parking lot I've always had either no comment or positive comments. When it snows here, everyone loves Hummer owners. When I go out to my cousin's farm with mud up the axles, everyone wants to know if I know where I can find them a nice used one!!

At my hometown everyone loves the truck..but venturing out to bigger cities here in Alabama I've had a bad look or two, not that I give a crap. But most of the time it's good.

[tyler1bo]

its like saying a masseratti is a ferarri...their powertrain is made by ferarri...same with the hummer. its more comparable to a 2500 truck chassis but interior from a tahoe/escalade/yukon. so its similar....just not exact.

and hummer did what they had to do. sales were droping by the fistfull. and the gas wasnt helping out. the media doesnt control the companies ability to shut down business......but the govt can. and being that the gas prices were up higher than before, who knows...maybe that was their way to kill off some car brands...it killed of 4 of GM's. i think it even killed off a few of fords. even got restrictions passed after everything. even if the hummer were still around now, i dont think they would have as large of a market as they need to to stay in business. they would have been reaching for new ideas to get the sales....majorit of their sales would be from H3's. it just wouldnt have worked out.

You're probably right..BUT I do think Hummer was on the right track to improving the vehicle.

[2010_5thgen]

improving it? how? all hey did was take an existing motor and trans from the denali/escalade and throw it in the hummer.....not sure that it improved it, but i wonder how it compares to the 6.0 in the offroading world. with a 6 speed tranny, thats gotta throw you in a gear you didnt want to be in, when your climbing hills or decending hills. i dont see hoe using creature comforts from the upscale models were going to help the hummer. what if the escalade and denali end up doing a twin turbo v6? was the hummer going to have that?

[H2duramax]

I'm not certain but I think the flat black h2 that has been posted in this thread a few times is adiesel conversion preadator motor sports did. I have seen it on YouTube at a racetrack beating an infinity and a BMW. I also saw it for sale on ebaymotors and the DuPont registry for like $95,000.
Anyway I think it's a slick truck if it's the one I think it is, and its insanely fast. Still not a fan of the dropped look.

[guruerror]

improving it? how? all hey did was take an existing motor and trans from the denali/escalade and throw it in the hummer.....not sure that it improved it, but i wonder how it compares to the 6.0 in the offroading world. with a 6 speed tranny, thats gotta throw you in a gear you didnt want to be in, when your climbing hills or decending hills. i dont see hoe using creature comforts from the upscale models were going to help the hummer. what if the escalade and denali end up doing a twin turbo v6? was the hummer going to have that?
I've wondered that as well...
...I think at the end they were starting to push the H2 down the Range Rover route. The first time I sat in an 08 I remember feeling like I was in a car...not a Hummer. Don't get me wrong, the interior is nice and feels much more 'quality' then my 05, but too car-like for my taste.

...a little Line-X will toughen that 03-07 interior right up.

[2010_5thgen]

I've never sat in a 08 and up h2 but I have sat in escalades and denalis with the new interior, and I'm not a fan of the seats. I love the 07 and down seats much more. Way more plush. And the dash vents on the older models are such. Great feature that the new ones lack. Only thing from the 08 that I wish mine had......6.2 motor. The extra power would be nice.

[tyler1bo]

improving it? how? all hey did was take an existing motor and trans from the denali/escalade and throw it in the hummer.....not sure that it improved it, but i wonder how it compares to the 6.0 in the offroading world. with a 6 speed tranny, thats gotta throw you in a gear you didnt want to be in, when your climbing hills or decending hills. i dont see hoe using creature comforts from the upscale models were going to help the hummer. what if the escalade and denali end up doing a twin turbo v6? was the hummer going to have that?

I'm not talking about the 6.2..I'm talking about the concepts they had to discontinue because the company came to a halt. I believe they had new ideas and designs to make the hummer more economical, but we will never know that.

[tyler1bo]

I've never sat in a 08 and up h2 but I have sat in escalades and denalis with the new interior, and I'm not a fan of the seats. I love the 07 and down seats much more. Way more plush. And the dash vents on the older models are such. Great feature that the new ones lack. Only thing from the 08 that I wish mine had......6.2 motor. The extra power would be nice.

I've been in both seats..like them both, however I think the material in the new ones are more durable than the older seats. I'm not bashing either interior. Even Jeep is "escalading" up their interior. My dad has a 2011 Jeep JK Rubicon and it has full leather interior with Nav display.

[guruerror]

I'm not talking about the 6.2..I'm talking about the concepts they had to discontinue because the company came to a halt. I believe they had new ideas and designs to make the hummer more economical, but we will never know that.
Yeah...that Hx would have been pretty cool...especially if they'd have put a little diesel in it.

[H2Much]

I have lost a lot of respect for GM for pulling that move and leaving their luxury line out in the desert to die. I really loved GM's, have three of them, and am just a little disappointed to see how they have handled themselves over the past few years.

With this, I got rid of one of my GM's a couple of weeks ago and picked up a Toyota, first time I have bought non-GM vehicle. Really would have like to see them hitch up their balls and stick with the Hummer line, they could have really opened it up with what Jeep just stole from them with those ridiculous 4 door wranglers, or as I like to call them Wannabe H2's. With as much money as Jeep has made on those things, Hummer could have come out with the Hx and a beefier version of the H3 and totally stole that whole market. Thanks to GM dropping Hummer, Jeep pretty much filled that void with their 4 door version of the Hummer and made enough $$$ to pull themselves out of bankruptcy.

Bad move GM, bad move.

[tyler1bo]

Yes, we don't know what Hummer had in mind. But the HX (had they produced it) could have been the ticket. Have y'all also noticed how pricey Jeep's are now? My dad's jeep (granted it's loaded) was well into 40K..for a Wrangler!!

[H2Much]

Could have easily had a V-8 H3 on a slightly modified trailblazer chassis with a little more clearance out there for $40-$45, would have blown the Jeep away. Oh well, all good things eventually come to pass; just sad to see Americans paying that kind of money for Chrysler parts:crying:

[2010_5thgen]

i thought at one point i saw spy photos of a h2 sut that was similar to an avalanche. much longer bed than the current sut. would have been pretty cool. i think it was based off of the suburban /esv/ xl chassis.
had hummer still been around, i think that the H3 would have stolen the show. the h2 would have turned into the H1 of the group with slow sales and the h3 would be the money maker. but a 2 door soft top hummer would have been cool. wether h2 or h3 style....it would have been cool to see the next steps.

[iwillnc]

No to lowered Hummers, we must not become this --


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWv8RQZl0Eg

gay jeeps and their owners

[guruerror]

OMG...so people do stupid sh!t to Jeeps too. Who knew?

[tyler1bo]

It happens everywhere..