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Did you lose much memory after the lobotomy?

You don't want the government to tell you "what is best" but you want it's money. Hypocrite! Haven't cured cancer, the common cold, bedsores, Intracranial Hypertension, ingrown toenails, either. But what's the point. It took you 10 years to say your ABCs, at least give the scientists a few to come up with something from stem cells.

But you are right, screw the sickies... law of the jungle and all..... only the strong survive.

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I can see it now...as the rest of the pack scampers off...your slow fat ass gets picked off.

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nope, I'm at the top of the food chain there, sport.

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ok

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All I have to say on the subject is that if something like that would be condoned- where would it end?

Scientific frontiers when it comes to human subject matter needs to be regulated and thought through thoroughly. As we all know, the law can be interpretted in many different ways and legislation can evolve dramitically from one somewhat unsimple decision.

I am not a religious person and am very scientific; and from what I have read it seems that there is no evidence that any new stemcells would prove any different than the ones available at this time.

Morality and mortality seem to be of most concern. I favor to look at the big picture. But I would hope that we- humans, as a race among many in this world, would conduct our knowledge and practice in respect of nature. Nature is reality and sometimes it sucks but that is the way it works. I am not in favor of some of the fertility treatments either, you know that we just reached 300mil, and there are many little african children without parents (;)).

It's funny (odd, not funny haha), that those who are against imperialism in almost every aspect, if not indeed every aspect, can be imperilous in this matter.

In the future we will become faced with many more decisions that effect our conscience. Conscience not con-science**, if you will. As one of the most prestigous countries in the world I hope that the US influences the rest of the world on our debate and care in such decisions.

** I just made that up. Bumper stickers coming soon.:cool::D

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the ones with diabetes are the first to get picked off

run.... forest.... run

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Rush has it right. Fox is putting out phoney info about a tragic disease because he thinks no one will call him on it. Now he's caught, like his goombah Dan Rather, and he can't wiggle out.

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Good candidate for retroactive abortion...:popcorn:

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I think they are doing very little to look for a cure or to prevent anything. The drug companies along with any health care in this country have become public traded profit driven companies. It is more profitable to comeout with new treatment drugs for what is killing us so it is more profitable. when is the last time you heard of a cure for anything? with the level of tech this country has it is very hard to belive. I like rush, he is a old DJ like me. He just found a great act. I work in the media, listen to me "we make stuff up" all the time.

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run.... woody... run

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If I owned a drug company, I sure as hell wouldn't want a cure for cancer, aids, Parkinson's, etc. Let me keep selling my drugs!!!!

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Those are some good drugs, too. When are you visiting again?:dancingbanana:

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Whoa there! The US is not responsible for finding the cure for everything.

Take a look around the world, where there are no barriers, and money is thrown at trying to find cures and there's still no answers.

Nevermind, as with everything, conspiracies make it all more palatable.

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The Bush administration is supplying Iran and Korea with plutonium. It's true!!! I read it on the inturdweb.

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and Jeff Gordon is hetero:giggling:

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Good money in drugs ask Rush!!

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You know, freedom of speech is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has the right to say what he wants. He’s free to be an arrogant, hypocritical narcissist and to flaunt his conservative stereotypes and bias behind a mask of patriotism and family values. Thank god I’m free to disagree with him.

So what if Michael J. Fox was on display in the TV spot. He’s famous, he’s sincere, people like him, and his condition could benefit from more research. Would you care if Joe Schmoe had the shakes on camera? So what if he accurately demonstrated the symptoms of Parkinsons disease ... how is that dishonest? Who cares if they filmed him on a bad day when his symptoms were severe ... were they supposed to film him on a good day when all his meds were working?

Quick everybody, look at the democrats. They have an agenda! They use actors and voiceovers in their TV spots! They exaggerate or minimize the facts to suit their politics! They’re so evil!!!!!!! I’m glad we have straight shooters like Rush Limbaugh. He refuses to use sarcasm, exaggeration or sound bytes to make his points and never leaves any fact unexamined in his objective political analysis.

This kind of senseless tirade from Rush only hurts the GOP.

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So what?

Credibility is what.:confused:

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Exactly. Michael J Fox has credibility. He actually has Parkinsons. He has been suffering from it for years. Some days are better and some are worse, but it will never go away until a cure is developed.

When Rush calls MJF's credibility into question, he only discredits himself, and that's what is harming the GOP. Thank you for helping me make my point.

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I didn't and that wasn't even a good attempt at misdirection.

You don't have credibility when you are obviously pandering to the TV spot for political reasons. It's pretty simple. He was obviously faking it, no questions. If he didn't take meds "just for show", it's the same as faking. It all lacks credibility. At no other times is he shown to be so uncontrollable, so the Fox argument is moot.

Rush Limbaugh simple spoke what everyone else was thinking.



Anything past the fact that Michael J Fox allowed himself to be puppeted for political purposes is nothing more than fodder.

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Learn comprehension skills. You asked the question.

He has no credibility. He lost credibility for anyone with the disease because he flopped all over the place in a manner inconsistent with anything else he has been shown to do anytime prior to or since that one political ad.

Ever think that it might have taken more than one take to get it right?

It's ludicrous to assume that it's legit.

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So what if i do have a small johnson, what's that got to do with things

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why is it called a "johnson"

did "johnson & johnson" invent it

does it have something to do with pedophelia? re: john's son

was some guy named johnson being a dick

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Not sure this is exactly a good article as evidence towards the case of tumors. The authors obviously are biased. I'd like to see an article from an actual peer-reviewed medical journal before drawing conclusions.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2128188.shtml



Tardive Dyskinesia

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As for the "Tumors" article:

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/0610...061016-16.html

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Good point, blue.

As with any other research, medical research is a process of trial and error. Just because Harvard researchers found indications of tumors or pre-cancerous growth doesn?t mean that embryonic stem cell research is a total failure. It only means that our current mechanism to control embryonic cell development (and prevent malignant or parasitic growth) needs work. Setbacks are inherent in research, and failure down one avenue will lead to success in another.

But even treatments proven to be effective can be risky. Many drugs and treatment protocols are controversial at first because of risks and side effects, like radiation and chemotherapy. People suffered and died while doctors learned how to dose and properly target the cancers. Imagine if we had halted research on these treatments because of the health risks ... or because of moral concerns over using "human guinea pigs"? or because a religious group had undue influence in Congress.

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imo, the moratorium on embryonic stem cell research should be lifted. Researchers merely want access to all legally available embryonic material. If they can get it from cord blood, they’ll take it. If someone miscarries in a hospital, that’ll do. If someone has a legal abortion, they want access.

These scientists aren’t advocating abortion. They’re not saying we need to kill more babies so they can get more stem cells. People are already getting legal abortions and the embryos are getting thrown away. This research ban prevents researchers from making something good out of something terrible.

Think of stem cell collection as a form of organ donation. Would you outlaw organ donation because some people don't like the idea or believe it desecrates the human body? No. Organ transplants save, lengthen and improve lives. Stem cell treatments could do the same and more in the future.

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Organ donors normally indicate that with a "Y" on their drivers license. People need to get sick and die sometimes- it's nature and no one can live forever. Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

But yeah, next time a big hurricane is coming- lets hurl a bunch of old people at it and see if it slows it down. We aren't sure if it will stop the hurricane or prevent damage but lets try it anyway. :D:D:D

Can everyone stfu?-really. No one is going to change anyone's mind on the subject and it has been agreed that MJF was bobbing more than usual.

kthanxbye

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I think we were just going for "No More Bullsh1t". Or in O'Reily lingo, "No Spin Zone."

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I agree with that. People should be able to die with dignity. And until then, they should be able to live well.

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And Rush might have mixed his meds that day (the RX and street drugs) with a drinkie....

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What a bunch of weak fluff-filled arguments for what is being talked about as the biggest Democratic goof of the year so far.

They screwed up. Whomever told MJF to act out the effects of his illness to pander to the voters in MO is getting reamed out right now. MJF lost all credibility as a spokesperson because he was not genuine about something that is so heart-wrenching and effects so many others.

Regardless of the fact that, as others pointed out, ebryionic stem cells are not the end all that the media makes it out to be. Stem cells harvested in other ways have proven to be, if nothing else, very similar.

For all of you crying about letting the scientists do what they want, where is all of the research on embryonic stem cell success on animals?

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2128188.shtml



Tardive Dyskinesia

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As for why you haven't seen any public applications, they are to date either too expensive, or results are still being kept confidential until enough data is gathered to present a scientifically sound conclusion that will stand up to extensive peer review. I imagine applications in animals is significantly different from that of human systems, hence the lack of results.

Additionally, lacking government funding, this research has to be done entirely in the private sector.

And here's the research articles that do exist:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/g...nic+stem+cells