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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Thanks for you hospitality. Jacka**es </div></BLOCKQUOTE> "Come on back now, ya hear" |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing. So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity). If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.) Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for ****  ). As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years. In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars: 1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration 1996 SSEi - Nothing 1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right. 1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats 1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer 1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing. 1999 GTP - Nothing 2001 GTP - Head up display replaced 2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment) 2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold. I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't. Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll. I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Don't involve me(even if you are correct  .Loaded heads would be the cheapest way for GM to go.Why would they pay the labor rate to assemble said bare heads.I think this person has been BS"d by a service person who made somthing up to make up for time spent in the service dept.[COLOR:RED]Someone forgot to order some[COLOR:RED]thing or did't know what was wrong to begin with.If your full of it shame on ya!! If not I"m sorry but,You need to talk with the service Mgr.</span> [/color][/color] |
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop: Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing. So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity). If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.) Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for **** ). As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years. In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars: 1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration 1996 SSEi - Nothing 1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right. 1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats 1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer 1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing. 1999 GTP - Nothing 2001 GTP - Head up display replaced 2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment) 2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold. I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't. Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll. I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Don't involve me(even if you are correct .Loaded heads would be the cheapest way for GM to go.Why would they pay the labor rate to assemble said bare heads.I think this person has been BS"d by a service person who made somthing up to make up for time spent in the service dept.[COLOR:RED]Someone forgot to order some[COLOR:RED]thing or did't know what was wrong to begin with.If your full of it shame on ya!! If not I"m sorry but,You need to talk with the service Mgr.</span> [/color][/color] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I understand. Maybe I am being BS'd by the dealer. The next dealer is 220 miles away so I kinda have to go by what they are telling me. I'm assuming F5 has the ability to look it up. So we will see. |
I've got only ONE QUESTION. If this is simply a matter of the computer running the engine lean, why aren't we all being called in to be reprogrammed before it tears up our heads? Hmmm?!? Inquiring minds want to know.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop: Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Strange, didn't get it. As for why there is not a recall if it is a calibration. If this is a legitimate thread, it takes time to write a calibration. The problem has to be analyzed. Makes no sense to go out with a new calibration that could cause other problems. If an engine is burning too lean, destroying valves, then it does not make sense to richen up the mixture, and have another problem pop up. In other words, you just can't fix a lean condition, and every time an engine calibration is changed, it has to be emission certified. In addition, it could be what is called a "quality spill." Heads may actually be the problem and only certain ones are affected. (Similar to the rear axle problem early in the game.) Then again, if it is only five or ten H3s that have shown up, out of 28K that have been sold, this won't even attract attention. TAC will send a report to the powertrain engineering report, but if it just started it takes time to come out with a repair. They have quite a few of these H3s in the GM fleet, some with loads of miles, and I have not heard a thing about this problem (doesn't mean it does not exist). |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> NANA NANA NANA....u guys r a**holes!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You were included. Geez </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks.  |
no dealer rep in his right mind would tell you other trucks are haivng the same problem and scare you like that. Sounds like Bull Sheeet
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop: Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Strange, didn't get it. As for why there is not a recall if it is a calibration. If this is a legitimate thread, it takes time to write a calibration. The problem has to be analyzed. Makes no sense to go out with a new calibration that could cause other problems. If an engine is burning too lean, destroying valves, then it does not make sense to richen up the mixture, and have another problem pop up. In other words, you just can't fix a lean condition, and every time an engine calibration is changed, it has to be emission certified. In addition, it could be what is called a "quality spill." Heads may actually be the problem and only certain ones are affected. (Similar to the rear axle problem early in the game.) Then again, if it is only five or ten H3s that have shown up, out of 28K that have been sold, this won't even attract attention. TAC will send a report to the powertrain engineering report, but if it just started it takes time to come out with a repair. They have quite a few of these H3s in the GM fleet, some with loads of miles, and I have not heard a thing about this problem (doesn't mean it does not exist). </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Well thats what he's telling me. I guess he's lying to me. I sent you the PM with the VIN by clicking on start a private thread. Did you check there? |
I started a thread and it shows you were invited however you havent joined
I can see it at: Go/my space/private messaging/ |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I started a thread and it shows you were invited however you havent joined I can see it at: Go/my space/private messaging/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Funny, I didn't get a PM either.  Must be something else that is broke only for you. A little more of why your whole story sounds like BS is because the problems with the Colorado/Canyon I-5s were related to the valve springs. To solve those problems, they did not replace the head, valves or anything except the valve springs and didn't need to pull the head to do it. Of course, you haven't mentioned who the dealer is, who your service writer is, or anything that legit owners here bring up when they have problems crop up like this. |
He does have it and I'll be glad to provide you with verification. How do you want to do it. You want me to conference you in with the dealer? You want to call them with me on the phone? As long as it's fair.
I'm starting to think you guys are the Trolls I have told everyone here exactly what the dealer told me. I have nothing to Hide. I don't know if my dealer is BSin me that's why I came to this forum. To find out if anyone else is experiencing the same issue. |
As P already mentioned...
Who IS your dealer???? It's only fair that you let us know that so we can make sure that other H3 owners don't get "BS'd" as well.  |
Sunrise Hummer Bartlett, TN
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Now was that freakin hard! Thanks!
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Did you ever think that maybe I did't want to make my dealer look bad.
I'd really do not want to make Hummer or my dealer look bad. The dealer has been very very good to me. The only problem is my Hummer is broke and the problem they are telling me I have is very troubling. |
Sunrise HUMMER
8500 Highway 64 Bartlett, TN 38133 Phone (901) 333-8000 Paul Baggett is the Hummer Service Manager. He was not available to talk with when I called. I didnot LVM though. |
Your thought process is amazing. I hate that your having a problem with your H3..I really do...but the more you talk...the bigger of a hypocrite you look like.
I love my hummer but wish I didn't buy it The dealer might be BSing me...but I don't want them to look bad. WTF!! I'm not trying to ride you a$$...I'm just trying to understand. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
Your thought process is amazing. I hate that your having a problem with your H3..I really do...but the more you talk...the bigger of a hypocrite you look like. I love my hummer but wish I didn't buy it The dealer might be BSing me...but I don't want them to look bad. WTF!! I'm not trying to ride you a$$...I'm just trying to understand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Geez you guys said he's Bsin me not me! I said I wish I hadn't bought it at a time when I was just told there were major problems with it. And that there were others with the same problem. What do you expect. Now you guys say there is no know problem and that my dealer is BS'in me. Who am I to believe random people on the net or my dealer? Maybe we will soon know. |
Hey guys listen to Burgundy(Modley), he sounds like some SCHOOLGIRL B*TCH!!!
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What the hell's the Burgundy comment!
OK I got to go on a 8 hour drive in my rental. You guys now know the dealer and F5 has the VIN I assume that if someone calls the dealer they will tell you the same thing they told me. I will check back in late tonight. |
Hopefully somone here can help you.
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Memphis..... hmmmm.... over by Wolfchase. Been there.
I think this thread is very boring, but it interests me. |
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GD is it that hard to understand?
First: I loved my Hummer until it broke the F down. So I started to wish I hadn't bought it. Simple Second: The dealer has been great. The product is starting not to look so great. I wouldn't blame BestBuy because a Sony TV broke. I'd blame Sony. I wouldn't have a problem with BestBuy unless the wouldn't help replace or fix it. So far the dealer has been great. God I can't believe I have to explain this! I tell you what I really am starting to wish is I hadn't found this web site with a bunch of jacka**es that want to give me a hard time. So Timgco have you called back? |
First out, I haven't been made aware of any widespread issues with the I-5 used in the Colorado/H3. That doesn't mean there isn't the possibility of isolated issues. I do know that we have not replaced a single cylinder head...yet. When GM requests that an assembly replaced under warranty be returned to the WPC (Warrany Parts Center) it is to determine the root cause of failure and to determine if replacement was warranted. This take time. If there is an issue, and it is widespread, then it becomes a recall or campaign to repair a defect. If it is an isolated event, usually regionalized, it goes out as a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) and IF the issue is brought as a complaint by the consumer AND the vehicle falls under the parameters of the TSB, the repair is performed.
That is how it works. Now, as far as replacement of the cylinder head being warranted, I believe that it is standard practice to tear it down and send it out for magnafluxing and surface flatness by a qulaified machine shop. If the valves were burned due to a lean condition, GM would pay to have the damaged valves replaced, no question. If the head is warped beyond specification, it would be replaced, no question. But if you read your new vehicle warranty, it clearly states redundantly, that GM will repair OR replace at their discretion. In other words, what would most benefit them, make the consumer happy, and cost them the least. My guess is they suspect a calibration problem, are working on a temporary field fix to get by on, and will come out with a TSB shortly containing a recalibration. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I tell you what I really am starting to wish is I hadn't found this web site with a bunch of jacka**es that want to give me a hard time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Here's what to do: 1) Delete your history of visited websites. 2) Delete your cookies. 3) Delete all temporary internet files. 4) Turn off your computer. By the time it boots back up you'll probably forget you were ever here. And, by the way, I think the troll comments were probably right on track. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
First out, I haven't been made aware of any widespread issues with the I-5 used in the Colorado/H3. That doesn't mean there isn't the possibility of isolated issues. I do know that we have not replaced a single cylinder head...yet. When GM requests that an assembly replaced under warranty be returned to the WPC (Warrany Parts Center) it is to determine the root cause of failure and to determine if replacement was warranted. This take time. If there is an issue, and it is widespread, then it becomes a recall or campaign to repair a defect. If it is an isolated event, usually regionalized, it goes out as a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) and IF the issue is brought as a complaint by the consumer AND the vehicle falls under the parameters of the TSB, the repair is performed. That is how it works. Now, as far as replacement of the cylinder head being warranted, I believe that it is standard practice to tear it down and send it out for magnafluxing and surface flatness by a qulaified machine shop. If the valves were burned due to a lean condition, GM would pay to have the damaged valves replaced, no question. If the head is warped beyond specification, it would be replaced, no question. But if you read your new vehicle warranty, it clearly states redundantly, that GM will repair OR replace at their discretion. In other words, what would most benefit them, make the consumer happy, and cost them the least. My guess is they suspect a calibration problem, are working on a temporary field fix to get by on, and will come out with a TSB shortly containing a recalibration. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I totally agree. That sounds in line with what they are telling me. They said they were sending the entire assembled part back for evaluation. The only reason I even brought up the recall is that my dealer said he already had 2 with this problem and when I called back he had two more. As soon as I posted anything about this here everybody immediately starts calling me a liar, future prius owner and every other kind of thing. No one wanted to even possibly think that I was telling the truth. The only reason I have followed this as long as I have is to see all of those people realize their wrong. It's funny that I have given VIN numbers dealer info and no one still wants to admit that I've been telling the truth. I stick with my original statements. |
I have not received any VIN information from you, so let's get that straight. Plenty of other people here have emailed me or sent private messages, so that is not the problem. But just in case, here is my address f5fstop@comcast.net.
Now, as for the cylinder head, to my surprise it is serviced as a bare head (why they do this amazes me). So, the dealer tech has to assemble with new valves, springs, head, etc., if the entire assembly was returned. If there is this problem you are saying, the engineers would want the head back all in one piece, they would check it out. If nothing comes of the checks, they might have it installed on a test vehicle and driven to see if they can verify the original problem. As for you, the take a logical view of your original post, and the mentions of recalls, the high number of vehicles (for one dealer this is high), and your now infamous last sentence, then you could draw the same conclusion that the rest of us did in the beginning. It looks like a troll post; especially since it was your first post. We have quite a few trolls hit this website, as do other websites. As for problems, from what I learned today, there is no large problem with the head. As in anything man made, some will break, some calibrations will go haywire, etc. This is not to say there won't be a problem in the future, but from what I learned today, the labor op for head replacement on this vehicle is very, very low. And labor ops are the main trigger for a problem, other than TAC input. But TAC is not that reliable, especially since they are a contract firm, and not GM employees. In addition, there are NO preliminary investigations at this time on cylinder head issues on the H3 or on any other vehicle using this engine. A preliminary investigation is initiated by TAC to get info out to the field. So, whether you send a VIN or not, is up to you, but stop saying I have it, because I don't. Personally, I have decided this thread is no longer any more fun, or informative, so since  I'm out of here. My dog wants to go play in the snow. |
Ok, I'm back. Something must be wrong with the system, I have no indication a PM was sent, yet there is one, so I apologize for that.
In addition, since you are in the VOL state, I will be nice. (Just moved from there a few months ago.) Nothing shows on your service history, other than the seats covers being replaced, and the door jamb switch being replaced. Normally, the labor op and repair is not submitted until after the work. You do have an open campaign (recall) so make sure the dealer checks your rear wiper washer motor, and replace it if necessary. With the cylinder head off the vehicle, this check of the washer motor will take the dealer less than five seconds. If the pump needs to be replaced, it will take them fifteen minutes at the most. Again, I have to stress that your first post did appear to be that of a troll. However, I still say I can find no problems with a large number of cylinder heads. Can't even say the dealer is pulling your leg. However, I will reiterate that if the dealer tech cannot lap the new valves to the new head, and build the head up, they are in dire need of some training. It only takes a few hours AT THE MOST. Good luck... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I stick with my original statements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> And I'll stick with mine: TROLL |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
I just have to ask, "do you really believe what a dealer tells you." </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Boy what a HYPOCRITE!!!!! f5fstop you originally told me to - <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop: let the ones trained on the Hummer H3, work on it and see if there is a problem </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Now if anyone gets on here and says they have a problem you call them a liar and say not to tell anyone about it, just take it in for warranty. I understand his last statement was derogatory towards our beloved H3's, but you don't even ask for an explanation before everyone is calling him a liar. His situation sounds like a regional one, possibly something with the driving conditions or too low octane fuel. That is if the dealer has several of these in for the same reason and this is not going on any where else in the country. About 15 yrs ago we had several vehicles of all makes and models coming into our shop with running too lean issues, it turned out to be traceable back to one gas station that was cutting the fuel with a grain alcohol additive. He was not mixing it to the proper ratios. Sometimes I think GM just pays you to sit on the forums and say nothing ever goes wrong with their vehicles. (that is if you really work for GM, maybe there PR firm) I have had the transmission go out in mine at 3074 miles and GM wanted it back to tear down and see what happened. (I saw the print out from GM) Not a core but sent to some quality control center. By the way does anyone know if BCMs are shipping yet. I am still waiting on one to fix the dash lights in my H3. |
I guess all I have to say to you, is shove it where the sun does not shine, and if you are to quote me and call me a hypocrite, then post the entire thread.
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2706067735/m/5...271055641#3271055641 In the first quote, I'm referring to the dealer's service adviser and/or in some cases the service manager. In the second, I'm referring to factory trained technicians diagnosing a problem. As a so-called ASE certified technician, I guess I was wrong in assuming you understood how some dealership employees like to stretch the truth to make the customer have a good feeling that they are not the only ones having problems. As a so-called ASE certified technician, and for those who work in most dealerships, they probably not only understand this, but are amused and sometimes peed off at what the advisers and SM will sometimes tell a customer. This is the second time you have accused me of not being a GM employee. What you think is of no concern to me. Read the thread I posted, and understand the English language. You originally stated it sounds like brakes, and mentioned the transmission, all I did was explain how some of the newer transmission are programmed, and I mentioned it was hard to diagnose not being there personally. I guess I assumed wrong in thinking that you, as a so-called ASE certified technician, would understand how hard it is to diagnose a problem from hundreds of miles away, without being at the vehicle. Yes, some people have problems with their H3, I have been lucky in not having anything wrong with mine...so far. Hell, I could go out today and blow the engine. However, I am not the only one on this site who has had no problems with my H3, there are plenty of others. Modley's first post to this forum was exactly what a troll would do, and I have since corrected this to say that it now appears to be a legitimate problem with his vehicle. I still see nothing in regard to a problem nationwide. As for being a PR guy for GM, well, I won't even dignify that remark with an answer, but I will say there are plenty of people on this site who know that I am who I say I am; if for any reason other than they have received emails from my GM.COM address. So, you have a nice day, and as far as BCMs shipping, maybe someone else will answer that one for you. |
I think of all people to slam, Fstop would not be one of them. he's one of the nicest people on here, and if someone comes in with a problem he does his best to help people out, if it's explaining how a part works or to say which part to have looked at. And if he messes up some how he says he's sorry rather than just make up some lame ass excuse. So get off his nuts.
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Ok, look I know he tries to help if you already have a track record on this website. What my issue is, with f5fstop and with anyone else that flames against someone is that they don't even ask before they react. It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions.
f5fstop, you had already decided that you knew what was wrong with my vehicle before you even read my post yourself, I stated that my wife thought it was the brakes. After I test drove it myself I told you it was when you shifted from reverse to drive or from drive to reverse, while coming to a complete stop. You still insisted that it was in the TCM or PCM. The issue is that people may have the same symptoms on the surface but with out getting deeper and asking questions you will not find out that they may all be different issues. Modley, I have checked with my sources at GM (which I still have quite a few) they say there is no nation wide issues with the head. You may want to have the dealer check your fuel for water or too high alcohol, if they are using it. As for everyone here, I don't know what the problem is, I know when you spend $40,000 on a vehicle and something goes wrong, you just want to vent a little. He could have vented at the Jeep dealer while looking for a different vehicle, but he chose to vent here where we should be telling him that it will be fine when the dealer gets it back to him. Instead we are calling him a forum troll and a liar. Makes me want to drive my Hummer in shame of this community. I will keep my Hummer and I will keep coming here to read the posts. Even f5fstop is helpful, in most cases. I just get a little disappointed when everyone acts like idiots. I just won't come to ya'll with any problems. Because ya'll aren't much help in that area. The forum title needs to be changed to say you can only say good things about your Hummer, if you have a problem keep it to yourself. |
Amazing, you can actually read my mind. No, I did not jump into that previous message, or this message with a closed mind. As for your message, I have to ask, being the ASE certified technician, why didn't you diagnose the problem. You had the vehicle, you could drive it; therefore, you should have been able to diagnose it.
I would hope that everyone understands that anytime I, or anyone else gives some information, it is with the fact that we cannot guarantee what we say is correct. We can only give what we know. If the vehicle had been driven by me, and diagnosed, then I MIGHT have been able to give you a correct assessment of the problem. As for this thread. I guess I am cynical of any first thread that had some of the statements made by the poster; especially the last sentence. After years on many forums including Corvette and Jeep, I have found that most posts that start out that way are from trolls. This was a mistake on my part in regard to this thread, and I stated this a few posts earlier. I attempt to help when I can, and there are many threads I don't say a thing in since I know not what the answer MIGHT be. However, if there is something that could be the problem, I'm more than happy to address the issue. As for good things, do I apologize because I do have a H3 that has been pretty much trouble free? I don't think so. The troubles reported on this site are only a very small number, not only on this site, but with overall sales. How many are on the H3 forum? Under 1000, and there are over 27K sold and on the roads. If a few have problems, then I feel for them, but I would not say that with these numbers any problem would be considered a crisis. (I have complained about some of the things I believe should be fixed with the design such as brake pedal placement, window switches, wiper park position, etc.) Yes, it is true that a few on here have problems, and all those who have problems have legitimate complaints, especially in regard to the replacement of BCMs (which I might add I checked supply today, and per GM Dealerworld's Epic system, there are none available). I consider this to be BS and there is no reason, in my mind, why there are no BCMs available. Even for me, it has crossed my mind what do I do if a BCM goes out. I do know that there is a large number of BCMs replaced by dealers, when testing proves out the BCM was not at fault, and this could cut supply, but why there are no BCMs available at this time, makes me wonder what in the H is going on. (Enough of my ramblings on the BCM which does pee me off.) I see no reason why you can't ask a question on this forum. Most people mean well, and I promise not to add any comments in any of your threads you post from now on; if that is what you desire. In closing, I do not want to fight or argue about these subjects; it takes up too much valuable time. Have a good day (and that is not sarcasm)... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trebor:
It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> no I will agree with you on that point that there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P |
I started to laugh when you posted this as i agree as well - however - if you think about it, you must give the origional H2 drivers alot of respect due to the fact of HOW MUCH $HIT they had to put up with. I mean; media, friends, know it alls, tree huggers and not to mention vandalism!
Those guys over the past years have really had to grow some thick skin to have the bawls to continue to post in a public area. So its no surprise to see them be a little jumpy. Look at what they have been through.... Also, look at the H3s. We are getting off easy. I mean we werent sure if we would catch hell; but honsetly I feel as if the H3 has changed alot of minds from Hummer Haters to Maybe a Future Hummer Driver.... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hyperion78: ....there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P </div></BLOCKQUOTE> |
bparker...you have a point, never thought of it that way. Having lived in the Nashville area when the H2 first came out, never heard too much sh$t given to the H2 owners, and I knew a couple.
Now that I live in MI, my trip to work in the AM encounters at least two H3s and three H2s and on the way home even a white H1. But I do know in other areas, there are problems for guys with H2s. |
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