Oh my God... still in shock at the careless and unthoughtful remarks of the wonderful person that calls himself "HumMORON" (name does seem to fit though)

First off just to clarify a few things for you about this as you call a "jerk, ahole and a big man with a little penis"...... YOU dont have a clue as to who Adam was - by the way he had a name!! Don't know where your getting your info from but Adam purchased his hummer at Christmas time of LAST year so he did'nt still have his dealer tags on. He got his dream vehicle after many years of hard work. He owned his on construction company that he started from scratch and was doing very, very well. He was hardly a selfish person, he gave and gave to people he knew and did'nt even know. That day that he went 4-wheeling with Jen, it was something she wanted to do for her birthday, so he took her. Yes, granted, he broke the law by going somewhere he shouldnt have.... but if I am hearing you correctly are you actually saying that Adam & Jenn BOTH deserved to die the way they did???? Do you have a heart? I am still just amazed that idiots like you even have the gull to respond to something in this manner.
KNOW your facts MORON --- oops I mean Hummoron before YOU go pointing your nasty/heartless finger!!!

Again, thank you to all those that have offered valuable info., along with your condolences, it means a lot.

4CHRCHILL: I agree with you about lets not let this guy get us riled up..... but Adam was my freind, and since he can't defend himself right now, I felt I had to.

Dear Hummoron,

First, let me thank you for thinking enough of what I wrote to quote me. I am relatively new to this forum. To my knowledge, this is the first time that has happened.

Second, let me apologize for the "Fudge(packer)" and idiot comments. It was entirely inappropriate in a matter as serious as this. I was beside myself in learning how badly this incident was botched, but that is no excuse for name-calling.

I don’t know how experienced you are in “first hand Darwinism.” I don’t know how many dead bodies you have recovered rather than rescued. I don’t know if you have seen any of my posts, but I am an avid bicyclist, environmentalist, recycler, strict vegetarian and lover of natural wilderness and ski patrolman. I bought my H2 because it best serves me in getting to work to fulfill my rescue responsibilities. I know you don’t like our trucks, but if you or a loved one were in trouble, I don’t think you would give a second thought to how much fuel a rescue helicopter burns per minute. I could be wrong.

Klaus has elucidated the numerous responsibilities of the Ranger. Even if search and rescue weren’t within a ranger’s purview, I think every citizen has responsibility in doing whatever possible (within reason) to protect the life and limb of others.

You hypothetically assume that Adam was intentionally breaking park rules. You may be right, but I can just as easily hypothesize that he was out at night, focused on the woman he was with, and didn’t see the restriction signs. Perhaps the signs were poorly marked, poorly lit by a burnt out bulb or down entirely. Regardless, does this infraction obviate the responsibility of the Emergency Response System to perform to the standard of care mandated by their job description? Do you honestly believe that driving in a restricted area justifies leaving two people to die of hypothermia?

I don’t see how you can criticize Adam. According to your view, he has paid the ultimate price for his transgression. To that extent, he has taken responsibility for his actions. Now how about the rest of the players ponying up?

I won’t list all my titles, but I am involved in training other patrolman at some fairly high levels. A general rule of thumb for assessing rookies in my business at the most basic level is “would you want them working on your loved one?” I would like you to honestly ask yourself this question regarding this incident. If your loved one, whether breaking a rule or innocently wandering off, were in these dire straits, would you be satisfied that the system functioned properly?

I ask you to look at this entire incident without bias. Your preconceived notions about Adam’s attitude are pure conjecture. Comments regarding seagull food and gene pool, while clearly chosen for their inflammatory quality, are disrespectful of the dead and hurtful to their friends and family. I hope we can refrain from any more of that.

Lastly, my love for the great outdoors and environment notwithstanding, I feel compelled to say that in the short time that I have been a member of this forum, I have found many, many bright, considerate people. I am proud to consider myself as one of them.

t~

t, OUTSTANDING! Your reply is concise, credible, and (rare in this forum) mature. Drinks on me, buddy!

Hummoron, it is one thing to trash Hummers (it's only a vehicle), but another entirely to speak so lightly about the death of human beings. With so little respect of life, we are not interested in your opinions; but the FBI might.

t~

THANK YOU, what a wonderful response.

-Linda

My words were a bit harsh, but it was directed at those of you who want to blame this accident on someone other than the driver.

I first started reading about the accident because I wanted to know what happened. Then I come to this site and read from people like Queen Sheba:

"I am sorry, but why would they look in a place where they were permitted? Come ON! Human nature says that when we have a vehicle that makes us feel safe, we are going to test the limits anyway? They should have been looking in the place where they shouldn't have been. Maybe they would have found them sooner. That must have been a horrible way to die"

She clearly blames someone else for the deaths other than the driver of the vehicle and admits that she is just as stupid. Then I read from tower and others who are calling the Rangers incompetent and bumbling with GPS. While the Park Service does use GPS for a number of things, I have no idea if every vehicle and person is equipped with a hand held GPS and doubt if they are. Most of what I've seen them use are survey grade backpack systems and I'm sure those are only used by the 8-5 work force, not the patrolmen looking for someone in distress. A lesson to be learned, but not one to be punished for.

Hey, that's great tower that you have your hummer for doing search and rescue, but I'm sure most of you don't. And just because you are out driving around in your hummer, doesn't mean you are on a search and rescue effort. He wasn't, he was out for pleasure. As for me worrying about the cost of fuel for a rescue helicopter, I also don't see any helicopter pilots riding around like a wild yahoo just to impress his girlfriend (but no doubt someone has done just that) nor do they use it to fly down the 7-11 to get a six-pack of beer.

When he got his over the sand permit, he would have been given a map and guidelines for that activity. It was his responsibility to become familiar with those rules - no different than doing any other outdoor activity, be it hiking, boating, etc. And no matter what his distractions were, it was still his responsibility to drive carefully. He failed. Yes, it was a harsh lesson, but one none the less and self-inflicted. Sober up and quit blaming others.

Personally I think his estate should be billed for the search and bulldozer used to pull his hummer out of the ocean. I believe it is actually pretty standard that the people getting rescued pay for the rescue. In Greenland, they even have set fees for rescuing people off of the ice.

As for you people wondering how Jen wound up 5 miles from the crash site, I think it is pretty clear what happened.

They drove up the north end of Assateague, turned around and were headed back south. He had the ocean on his left, driving on the waters edge. He was going to fast and hit a hill that rolled the hummer over. Neither were probably wearing their seatbelts, but using their hands pressed against the roof to keep from bouncing as much. They still bounced quite a bit and were enjoying the excitement and thrill of the "roller-coaster" ride. Right up until he said "Hey, watch this."

He was probably tossed from the vehicle when it rolled over and more seriously hurt. She bounced around inside. After coming to a stop, she pressed the OnStar button and then got out to rescue Adam. At best, he was probably only semi-conscious. She then realized the severity of her situation and started screaming. That is what the OnStar person heard. The waves crashing around Jen kept her from hearing the little voice inside the hummer. She then pulled Adam out of the surf and onto the safety of the beach. Before leaving, she kissed him and promised to get help and return. She then turned north toward the lit up sky and walked along the water's edge where the sand was packed.

Normally her choice would have been good. Lights would have meant people and safety. After several hours cold and wet, she reached the north end of Assateague and saw the safety of Ocean City. However, the inlet and bay would make it impossible to cross the otherwise short distance. If it wasn't for the roar of the ocean, she could have easily hollered for help.

As it sunk in that she had just wasted her entire time going in the wrong direction, she turned back south. Cold, tired, scared, and emotionally drained, she eventually collapsed on the packed sand and succumbed to the cold. The tide came up and pulled her body back into the surf.

Truly a tragedy, but one brought on by reckless driving and ignoring the rules, not by the Park Rangers. Yes, it would have been great if help had made it to them and been rescued. It didn't. They got where they were by their own devices, not by someone elses. They both paid the price for his mistakes.

Get over it.

Just like you had questions that led you here, so did Linda and the people on this forum.

QUESTIONS, about a tragic situation that needs an investigation. You are making it way worse and complicated with your insensitivity and vulgarness.

And now, you sick (have a lot of time on your hands) prick, have managed to come up with a detailed story! Shame on you!...enough is enough.

In my postings, I attacked the arrogant hummorons (yes, that name was what I think of you) who believe that you are somehow better than everyone else. After all, you drive your big vehicles so that when you run into someone else, they'll get killed, not you. Despite what other strengths Adam might have had, he also demonstrated the attitude of being above others and allowed to trespass and drive above the posted speed limit (I at least hope he was speeding, or his hummer was less stable than the many 4 wheel drive pickups that drive all over the beach).

In return, you attacked bicyclists and people making a living selling food. Wow, that was really mature. Attack someone who has nothing to do with me or my impression of you. Guess you feel real big now.

Certainly not every hummer owner fits the stereotype, but enough of you do that is the reason the stereotype exists.

I can see it now... One day Hummoron will suffer a heart attack. Someone calls 911, but they will give up before they get to him. Someone will then say:

"Yes, it would have been great if help had made it to him and he had been rescued. It didn't. He got where he was by eating greasy burgers. He paid the price for his mistake. Get over it."

I believe someone was referring to the venereal disease that you contracted from your sister. And I don't own or drive a Hummer and... are you a bike licker?

Hummoron, blaming is human nature. For instance, you are blaming us, for blaming those incompetent rescuers.

Pushing the limit is also human nature. For example, hundreds of people die each day driving pass the speed limit.

These were not the issue. The issue is your incredibly insensitive, immature, irresponsible attitude. Freedom of speech does not excuse you from being an *******.

*******.

This information that I have just recently found out is for those that have asked to be updated, and are truely concerned (not for your harsh words or critism HUMMORON, heard more than I care to from you - u seem to THINK u know so much about what happened yet you havent a clue.... your so far off base)

After speaking with the attorney that is representing the deceased family's of Adam & Jenn (by the way Adam & Jenn were JUST long time freinds, Adam was engaged to someone else and Jenn had a long time boyfreind) I discovered that Adam was NOT speeding - infact at the time he hit the drop off, he was going a mere 15 miles per hour! As for the drinking that so many people think was a factor, the autopsy reports on both Adam & Jenn showed absoultely NO traces of alchol.

Found out something else interesting... the reason the Rangers called of the search that night, was because even though they got the call from Onstar... they discovered a vehicle that was stuck after that, and helped them and decided IT was that vehicle in distress --- even though mind you, it had NO onstar!!!! Another bit of news I found interesting was not only the onstar call placed by Jenn pressing the button, but ALSO by the airbags being deployed!!!! Now would'nt you think that they (meaning Onstar & the Rangers) might stop to think that maybe, just maybe this was a bit more serious than simply being stuck in the sand????

-Linda

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<P class=MsoPlainText align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=5>Two
Bodies Recovered After Assateague Accident </FONT></P>
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Shawn J. Soper, Staff Writer</P>


ASSATEAGUE ISLAND (02/11/2005)
- Questions remain this week after an off-road joy ride on Assateague Island
last Saturday night turned tragic when a SUV overturned in the surf in the
National Park and ultimately claimed the lives of its two young occupants.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>Around daybreak last Sunday morning, surfers on Assateague
found the body of Adam Starky, 25, of Cockeysville, Md. just a few feet from his
severely damaged 2004 Hummer, which was lying on its side half-submerged in the
surf. This discovery answered at least some of the questions from a bizarre
sequence of events from the night before, but did not tell the whole story.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>A little more than 24 hours later, a State Park Ranger
found the body of Starky’s passenger, Jennifer Holly Ashe, 24, also of
Cockeysville on Assateague about one-half mile south of the Ocean City Inlet and
roughly five miles north of the Hummer accident scene. Investigators are still
trying to piece together the details of the accident and determine how and why
Ashe’s body was discovered several miles away from the accident scene.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>Investigators believe the strength of the ocean currents at
high tide in the area of the crash scene could have moved Ashe’s body out to sea
and up the beach toward Ocean City where it was found on Monday morning. </P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>“The ocean currents are extremely strong in that area and
could have done any number of things to the victims,” said Assateague National
Parks Chief of Visitor Services Robert Fudge. “While we may never be certain,
it’s highly possible the woman victim’s body could have been carried out to sea
by those strong currents.”</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>The vehicle was found east of the dune line in the path of
the oncoming tide with its roof partially caved in and the doors buckling
outward. Throughout the night Saturday, it was in the path of the changing tide
and was likely completely submerged at high tide. </P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>“The Hummer was found partially submerged and full of water
and sand when it was discovered early Sunday morning, but it would have been
significantly submerged during high tide,” said Fudge.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>According to Fudge, the wide, flat stretch of beach is
often completely underwater at high tide, which is why searchers may not have
been able to locate the distressed vehicle the night before, although the
preliminary search focused on the designated off-road vehicle zone and not the
area where the Hummer was ultimately found. “It would have been detectable, but
it was very likely under a lot of water,” said Fudge.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>Around 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, the vehicle-equipped OnStar
system received a distress call from a vehicle determined to be Starky’s 2004
Hummer and the satellite locating system loosely located the vehicle somewhere
on Assateague Island. OnStar contacted the Worcester County Sheriff’s
Department, which, in turn, notified the National Parks Service Rangers about a
potential vehicle in distress.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>Investigators are still trying to determine if either of
the victims placed the emergency call to OnStar. The motorist emergency service
system is automatically notified if an air bag is deployed on an equipped
vehicle, but that service is not typically available on recreational
vehicles.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>Park Rangers immediately initiated a ground search of the
island’s entire 12-mile designated off-road vehicle zone. However, they were
unable to locate the source of the distress call reported by OnStar, and the
search was ultimately called off after several hours. Surfers found the wrecked
Hummer and the body of its driver early the next morning about two miles north
of the Sinepuxent Ranger Station and the entrance to the designated off-road
vehicle zone.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>A multi-agency search and rescue operation was initiated
during which National Parks Service personnel were joined by the U.S. Coast
Guard, the County Sheriff’s Department, Maryland Department of Natural Resources
Police, State Park Rangers, Maryland State Police and the Berlin Volunteer Fire
Department.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>A Coast Guard rescue boat from Ocean City, a Coast Guard
helicopter from Atlantic City and a Maryland Natural Resources Police helicopter
searched the waters near the accident scene throughout the day on Sunday because
it was uncertain at the time how many victims were involved. Coast Guard
Lieutenant Junior Grade Christopher Lucero said that due to the “level of
uncertainty,” mainly from the OnStar call, the Coast Guard and other agencies
carried out a long search before calling it off late Sunday evening.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>As each hour passed, the possibility of finding any
survivors in the frigid waters became more and more remote. Lucero said with
water temperatures in the low 40s, any victims would likely have about an hour
and a half to survive. </P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>“We carried out an aggressive search of the area for
survivors, but unfortunately we found no one at the time,” he said.</P>
<P class=MsoBodyText>As of late Sunday afternoon, investigators had a wrecked
vehicle and a male victim, but they were still uncertain if any other victims
were involved. However, a missing persons report filed in Baltimore County late
Sunday night for a woman believed to be a friend of Starky’s who had accompanied
him on a trip to the Eastern Shore to go four-wheeling. The grim discovery of
Ashe’s body early the next day confirmed her family’s worst fears.</P></Table>

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<FONT size=3>Transcript of 911 call</FONT>

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<TD>911: Emergency Services?


OnStar: Hi. This is Walter calling from OnStar.


911: OK


OnStar: I have an emergency key press coming in from a vehicle. Right now I
have them located, it looks like they’re on the… is it Assateague or Assateague
Island National Seashore?


911: OK


OnStar: However, I am not finding the street names of where they are.


911: OK


OnStar: Is this your jurisdiction, ma’am?


911: Yes, it is. What’s the phone number you’re calling from?


OnStar: My number is (866) 866 again -5006. …Let me give you the case number.
It’s 614563425.


911: OK and your name and operator number?


OnStar: My name is Walter. I do have a connection with the vehicle, however,
I’m not getting a response. It’s fading in and out, and I do hear screaming
inside the vehicle, but I don’t know what the actual emergency is.


911: OK


OnStar: And I’m trying to give you a better street, or at least a crossing
street but I don’t have anything –


911: That’s fine. That should be enough. Did they give you coordinates or
anything like that?


OnStar: Let me see…


911: Cause there’s not really many streets back there, it’s just an island.


OnStar: OK, now I don’t know how good this is. Right now I’m showing that the
latitude is 38.21


911: 38.21


OnStar: and the long is -75.14.



911: OK, we’ll see what we can do with that.


OnStar: Do you need [unintelligible] with the vehicle or would that be enough
for you?


911: That should be enough. What’s the phone number to the vehicle?


OnStar: The vehicle phone number I have is (443) 845-0323


911: 0323


OnStar: and it’s a 2004 Hummer H2.


911: 2004 Hummer. OK, what color?


OnStar: The color is gray.


911: OK. Alright and all it says is it’s an emergency key press, which is
just that one button on there? They just pressed it?


OnStar: Yes.


911: OK. Alright, we’ll go have somebody stop out there. If you do hear
anything else or if you could get a hold of somebody in the vehicle, if you
don’t mind just giving us a call back?


OnStar: Yes, ma’am.


911: Oh, what’s the owner’s name?


OnStar: I’m showing an Adam Starkey.


911: Adam Starkey—that name sounds familiar. OK and I’m operator 76.


OnStar: 76?


911: Yup.


OnStar: Thank you, ma’am.


911: Uh huh. Bye bye. </P></TD></TR></Table>

Wow , just got to read this thread. Hummermoron did you always suck cock or were you born that way. Its douche bags like you that give us a bad name.

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<FONT face="GM Serif" size=2>Every day, an estimated 200,000 calls are made
to 911 using wireless technology, according to the Cellular Telecommunications
& Internet Association (CTIA). OnStar responds to about 13,000 emergency
calls each month. OnStar continues to work closely with emergency personnel to
report thousands of motor vehicle emergencies every year. Between November
2004 and January 2005, OnStar responded to a monthly average of:</FONT></P>


</P>
<UL type=disc>
<LI><FONT face="GM Serif" size=2>900 airbag notifications</FONT>
<LI><FONT face="GM Serif" size=2>400 stolen vehicle location requests</FONT>
<LI><FONT face="GM Serif" size=2>20,000 roadside assistance</FONT></LI>[/list]</table>

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Monday, February 14, 2005



INCIDENTS

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Assateague Island National Seashore (VA)
Follow-up on Fatal Humvee Accident


On the night of Saturday, February 5th, a Humvee accident on the park’s beach led to the deaths of two park visitors, subsequently identified as Adam Starkey, 25, of Cockeysville, Maryland, and Jennifer Ashe, 24, of Baltimore City, Maryland. Witnesses on the beach said that they saw a Hummer traveling at a high rate of speed down the beach earlier that evening. Surfers found the 2004 H2 Hummer in the surf more than a mile-and-a-half within the posted closed area the following morning. The man’s body was found not far from the vehicle; the woman’s body was found on Monday morning by a Maryland state park ranger about five-and-a-half miles north of the wreck site. A critical incident stress management team arrived in the park on Tuesday to meet with park staff. NPS special agent Tim Alley has been assigned to the investigation.
[Submitted by Mike Anderson, Chief Ranger]

I guess I'm a little confused by the "sterotype" that has suddenly been formed in the past two years regarding owners of H2's. For the most part, I must pass between 10 and 15 H2's a day driving in Northwest Houston. I would say at least 2/3's of the drivers are females between the ages of say 18 and say 48. They definitely appear to be people who would normally be driving a Tahoe but, given the chance to own something different, chose an H2.

Now granted, those numbers aren't substantiated with the membership that you will see here. For the most part, the group here is mostly male between the ages of 20 and 50. Now, I can tell you, most of the group from what I can tell are professionals who like the look of the H2 and don't mind the gas mileage. The H2 was something different to do, kind of like the Corvette or Viper. Now, speaking from experience, I historically have been a crewcab pickup guy but decided to give the H2 a shot after seeing it and test driving it. I do like it but intend on eventually getting an older model H1 and another crewcab diesel pickup.

I only say all of this because I don't believe people purchase H2's because they think they are better than everybody else. I mean, if that was the case, why stop there. Just go ahead and get a Range Rover, Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes G-wagon, lexus Lx 450(?) or BMW X-5 and truly demonstrate that you have $60K to $90K to spend on a car... When all factored in, the Hummer H2 is a very nicely priced vehicle competitive in price to Tahoe Z-71, Yukon Denali and Cadillac Escalade. (With discounts and rebates you can pick one up for around $600/month which in today's world isn't too bad a deal.) You can't sit there and tell me that everytime you see someone driving a Tahoe, Denali or Escalade, you think the same thing-******* with an attitude...

Now, with regards to "drive your big vehicles so that when you run into someone else, they'll get killed, not you." You really don't believe this, do you? If so, I've got a better forum for you to go to http://www.thedieselstop.com/

There you will find close to 51,000 owners of Ford Diesel Crewcab Longbed Trucks, Duallys, and even the dreaded... "Excursion"... The Ultimate Gas Guzzler and Road Hog. I'm sure the members over there would welcome you with open arms... Especially when you start complaining about how big the trucks are that they drive...

Anyways, I really think when you look at the number of Ford, Chevy, and Dodge Truck Owners in the marketplace, they should be your target audience if your true issue is the size of the vehicle. Crewcab Longbed Trucks make the H2 look small and with their heavier diesel engine make more of an impact in a crash...

Linda, my condolances to you for the loss of your friends.

tower: You da man!

I da PMS.

Thanks for straightening that out.
Roxie

Aw, shucks, Roxie.

Ok, my story about what I thought happened is completely wrong by what is getting reported in the paper now. Most of my key points were what had been reported by the paper and I assumed they were correct.

The beach does not usually have terrain violent enough to roll a pickup (with the exception of the dunes which are off limits because of the fragile vegetation) at normal speeds. The maximum allowed speed is 25 mph and must be reduced to 15 when within 100 feet of another vehicle. Considering the number of people who drive their pickups on the beach without rolling them, it just seemed unlikely that he would roll (what I would assume is) a much more stable hummer going at normal (up to to 35) speeds. I couldn't find anything online that mentioned how often vehicles overturn while on the beach. I'm sure the rangers have some stories to tell, but I didn't find them.

I also assumed that they both made it out of the surf, which would have gave some credence to your hope that the rangers could have saved them. Assuming they rolled at the waters edge and they were unable to get out of the surf and onto the sand, I would also assume that it is pretty unlikely that the rangers could have gotten there on time even if they had gone straight to them. Although they did perish from hypothermia and not drowning according to the current reports) so maybe there was hope.

Now, the map that someone posted showed the gps point as being quite a ways out in the water. I initially assumed that both the coordinates and the map were slightly off and that the accident occurred on the waters edge. However, if they were driving in the ocean (albeit a shallow section), that would also account for the sudden terrain change that could roll a hummer without Adam being able to see and avoid it. After the accident, one or both climbed on top of the vehicle to get out of the water and that is when OnStar got the call. And that is where they stayed waiting for help until the tide rose.

But I just can't imagine anyone being so stupid as to drive their hummer in salt water (which is going to get into every crevice to rot out the metal) and to drive so far out into the OCEAN with it as to be afraid or unable to get back to shore on their own. Just boggles my sick mind. I am honestly open to someone giving a reasonable explanation of how this accident could have occurred without Adam being overly reckless and foolhardy.

Maybe there was a gut cut by a recent storm that rolled the hummer at the waters edge...but they still should have been able to get to the beach and out of the surf.

Regardless of the cause, no one has suggested that someone else did anything that caused the accident. Assuming they weren't attacked by a herd of killer ponies that caused the hummer to roll, the driver of the hummer is the only person responsible for their deaths. Everyone here wants to treat Adam as some kind of saint after his actions caused his own death, but want to belittle the rangers who responded and tried to rescue them (and they didn't have my attitude about humorons).

Despite what others have claimed, the park rangers duties are:


http://www.nps.gov/asis/orv.htm

National Park Service staff can:
•Assist with removing sand from around the tires
•Deflate tires
•Use traction devices such as boards
•Make a phone call on your behalf to friends/family
•Provide information regarding local towing services

National Park Service staff cannot:
•Winch or pull the vehicles out
•Recommend a towing company

Yes, a distress call in the winter is much more important than someone just stuck in the sand in the middle of summer, but overall you are on your own to get yourself out of any jam you get into. Many 4-wheelers have demonstrated that when driving with some sense, the beach can be a fun and safe activity. Act stupid and all bets are off.

I don't think that anyone here is questioning who is at fault for this horrible accident. I think it's fair to say that we all agree that it most likely was driver error and not a herd of killer ponies. Most of us are only re-acting to the apparent lack of concern by the local authorities in the area. I, for one, upon hearing of this tragic event hope that I never have a family member run into trouble in the area, because I am not confident in the abilities of the local authorities.

On a side note, if this event involved any other vehicle other than an H2 or H1, I believe the members of this forum would have reacted the same way. I'm sure you would have reacted differently if it were a jeep, toyota or whatever you drive. Not all vehicles are immune to accidents or driver error.

Dear Hummoron,

Your most recent post is the most humble I have seen from you, and I am grateful for that. You seem, though to a lesser extent, to still want to blame Adam. I still hold that the rangers were delinquent in their duties. I suppose we must simply agree to disagree on this. I greatly appreciate your having the courage to openly recant your original position, at least partially. Thank you for participating in our forum. As the facts of the incident unfold, I suspect there will be enough lessons for us all.

Be safe,
t~

So, which one of your schizoid personalities wrote this last tidbit?

HumMoron: Welcome back. Is that you?

Look, moron - Read this and let it sink in your thick skull:


Now you can bet your ass that these guys get paid to perform the above duties. No one forced them to take this job. If it's too much trouble to perform ALL of the duties required of Rangers, then they should turn in their badge and quit.

No one is saying that the Rangers are responsible for the accident. Adam was driving. HOWEVER - Had the Rangers done their job in a professional manner, one or both of the victims would probably be alive today.



Considering the incompetent search and rescue those Rangers provided - I'll have agree with you on this point.

Tower,

My problem with Hummer and SUV owners is that their selection of a vehicle ultimately effects me. While some may actually need their vehicle, most do not. At least the roads around here don't require the use of a large vehicle to pickup a bag of groceries. Their fuel guzzling vehicles might not be the primary cause of pump prices rising, but it certainly isn't helping. If more people chose fuel efficient vehicles, it might actually help. It would certainly get the car makers more interested in looking for ways to make safe yet efficient cars. And how many of you haven't silently said to yourself at some point "yeah, he'll move. I'm bigger than him"? How many people driving a BMW M5 has said the same? And I bet it hauls grociers just as well on less fuel.

Adam had what, about 15 miles of beach just for off-road vehicle use? But no, he decided to ruin the outdoors for anyone deciding to enjoy a nice walk along the beach in the pedestrian use only area. Arrogant prick. Or maybe he just couldn't be bothered to learn the rules? Maybe he missed the crossover, but then what was wrong with his GPS? I mean, he's got GPS, what does he need landmarks for? He had no excuse for being in the wrong area.

The next time there is a distress call, I hope the rangers search the prohibited use area first because "when we have a vehicle that makes us feel safe, we are going to test the limits anyway? They should have been looking in the place where they shouldn't have been." - Queen Sheba. But I guess you'd all cry about that too.

Maybe we just need to add a $100K tax to all hummer and suv sales so that the park service can have better and more rangers on duty in the middle of winter on a Saturday evening just in case one of you get in trouble. Cheers.

Hummoron-

Ultimately, what is it you want??? You complain about the type of person who drives an H2. Which is extremely debateable and which I have defended in previous posts since most H2's I see are driven by teenage to middle age women. Now, you complain how the vehicle we drive affects you? You have mentioned how it's gas guzzling and it's unsafe in an accident. Unfortunately, you aren't the first troll to come in here and start berating the choice of vehicle we drive and complain how the increase in the size of the ozone hole, increase in the price of gas, car versus suv accident survival rate, troop presence in Iraq, <insert another dozen or so bs reasons why we shouldn't drive our H2>, has to be a direct result of the emergence of the H2. Give it a break.

The truth of the matter is this- all over the world, economies are growing- specifically for my example India and China, at rates we haven't seen before and that no one could have anticpated three years ago. Therefore, the demand for energy, agricultural products, steel, copper, etc... has risen rapidly in the past two years to account for the rapid rise in demand. This increase in global demand for crude oil, coupled with concerns regarding supply disruptions (keep in mind that Nigeria, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, etc... aren't the most stable places yet make up a relatively large amount of the daily crude oil production), a weak dollar, along with highly leveraged/well financed/bullish speculating hedge funds have caused this runup. However, keep in mind, as recently as January 05 we were at $42, Sept 03 we were at $26, and Sept 01 we were at $18. Crude prices will continue to erode over the long haul and I truly believe we will see relief at the pump as a result of it. However, it won't happen overnite and it definitely wouldn't just happen overnite if every H2 was taken off the road...

Keep in mind, it's all about supply and demand. Do you think we can keep building the way we are here in the US- homes, apartments, strip centers, etc... and not think at some point we might not have enough electric generation built to supply all the demand growth that is going on. Trust me brother, California will happen all over again. Maybe not in California next but maybe Florida or New York. When it happens, are you going to go bitch to every person who bought a house in that new 5,000 house development across the street. Who, because they bought a home there, are now using the same electricity that you were using before. And since the utility wasn't able to get a new power plant online in time, there isn't enough electricity to go around and you both are now faced with rolling brownouts??? It's inevitable and called progress. As we build more ****, we need more natural gas, heating oil, electricity, water, land fills, highway infrastructure, schools, etc... to keep up with it all. And demand and supply don't hold hands and grow at the same exact convenient pace. Demand typically outstrips supply and then you have high prices... and then everyone comes in to capitalize on the high prices and builds all this supply and then prices fall... Old Supply gets taken down since it's no longer profitable, etc.. then the whole cycle starts all over again... It's the nature of the beast.

Now, I've told you already why the price at the pump you are currently paying is so high. Now that you are armed with that information, go bitch to the big oil companies and tell them you want more refineries built in the US so that US refining capacity can keep up with demand.

With regard to demand, I'd like to hear your opinion on what is fuel efficient. Would you talk **** if I had a diesel H2 and ran it on B100 biodiesel? It be a totally renewable fuel with no impact to the current demand for fossil fuels and no impact to the enviroment.

No, you'd only just go on to bitch about how the thing is dangerous in a wreck, when in all reality, the H2 is no more dangerous than any of those full size pickups that are out on the road... ****, here in Texas, every other Ford/Dodge/Chevy Pickup has one of those Cattle Guard Bumpers. Tell me that thing wouldn't tear up a lot more **** than my H2 if I hit you...

And for your benefit since you brought it up, the top of the line x5 costs at least $20K more than the top of the line H2. X5 drivers aren't saying under their breath-"he'll move, I'm bigger than him"... naw, they are just saying-"I'm richer and better than you so you should move for me..."

You whining bitch. Do you ever shut your mouth(when you're not at "work")?

Jesus christo!!! The poor nitwit pulled a Darwinistic move and paid the price. Let it rest.

You don't like the Hummer why? Because some one else has given you an easily recognizable target to focus your limited brain power on and now your concentrating for all your worth on that one thought.

I ran into two of your dip**** brethren today(2 in 1 day is a real bonus). One malcontent little bitch pull her bandana over her face so she could hide her nasty grill before flipping me off. When I circled back around to ask her why, her answer was "I don't like what you drive". I calmly asked her why(while imagining pushing her into traffic) she didn't like what I was driving. The glazed over look I got back confirmed my suspicions- She hadn't been programmed with any further thoughts on the issue. I offered to walk her through the parking lot next to us and help educate her on all of the other vehicles she was missing out on hating, but she pushed her ****ty little bike away while glaring straight ahead, pissed off that she ran into someone that wasn't just going to take her gesture and drive off.
The next brain dead, mid 20's, hippie puke was in a rust bucket, early '70s light blue Volvo wagon that was sitting idling at a red light and spewing smoke several shades darker than its 30 year old paint. I was making a right turn onto the street he had just driven down and he decided he was going to make his statement by clearly & angrily mouthing "**** you" directly at me. Since I knew no one was directly behind me I slammed on the brakes. He suddenly looked like a scared little kid that didn't want to look sideways for fear that the Boogey Man was coming to get him. My window was down and so was his, so I yelled to him(and I know he heard me because he started to shake like a little bitch) to ask why he thought that was something he could mouth to me. Did he give any answer? Noooo. I then tore him a new portal for his ****ting pleasure for being a coward(ok, I think I called him a "little hippie bitch pussy".I'm not exactly sure what I called him because I went into a name calling trance.) He just sat there and stared straight ahead like Death was coming to get him and if he didn't look it might pass him by. The bus driver directly behind him had his window open and he started to laugh at him for getting caught and receiving an ass-chewing for it.

The point of my little stories is that I'd put money on you being the same kind of no-load carrying malcontent, have-not, POS as those two were today. Mouth off all you can on the Internet or someplace where you think someone won't confront you for your cowardly actions or words, but in person you'd dribble piss down your leg like a scared little girl.

You made your opinion clear on the accident, but don't bring your weak ass "I'm going to teach you all the error of your ways" garbage in here. After reading a few of your posts it's very clear that the only thoughts you can regurgitate are the ones fed to you.

Hummoron: You've made it pretty clear by your posts, that you live out there. I'm sorry you have to be so spiteful toward one guy who broke the rules and paid for it with his life.

Your posts really aren't about the accident on the beach, they're about your OPINION on peoples "selection of vehicle". What people in America drive does not cause gas prices to go up or down. But this is not the place to point all that out. This thread is a FACT FINDING mission about an Onstar call that was not followed up on properly. I don't think his being in a Hummer had anything to do with breaking the rules. He may have done it in any 4wd he was driving. It's pure speculation.

Linda wants to find out what went wrong, and why her friends died. She doesn't care if it was a Hummer or a Volkswagon. She wants to know what happened to make her friends die of exposure, when authorities had co-ordinates that would lead them to the scene.

One more thing: Maybe you didn't know this, but Hummers have an Onstar system that can be tracked using GPS. The earlier model Hummers do not have the kind of GPS you would use out on the trails to find out where you've been and where you are. Adams was a 2004, so maybe he did have it. I don't know. So, please don't speculate.

If you'd like to tell us your hatred of big SUV's, save it for another post.

If Linda's post is correct, Onstar recieved an emergency button, and airbag deployment alert. Why didn't they inform 911?

"After the park rangers’ initial search was called off late that first night, it wasn’t until the Starky’s body and the Hummer were found early the next morning that a comprehensive multi-agency search was conducted of the entire area. It remains to be seen if a similar search conducted the night before could have possibly found the crash site and the victims."

They weren't sure if there was someone out there; they weren't sure if it was an actual emergency; they weren't sure why the coordinates were so hard to locate; They just plain old weren't sure of anything. They should have called in the big dogs that night, just to be sure no one was out there.

Let's put it this way.
If the Coast Guard would have recieved that call, Adam and Jen would still be alive! I'm sure of it.

P.S. Take the BIG CAR tax idea and shove it up your ass. K?

ELOQUENTLY PUT! Roxs!

Yeah Humm-yourown, post your gripes on this thread..

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/t...1/m/7711075411

It is amazing to me how the press oporates.... let me explain:

The is another site that has had a thread going about the hummer accident as well (http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547...ic/8/1986.html), and it is there that I orginally started posting. Then I found this one, and to be frank I have gottan a ton more info here. Anyway, a day or two ago I posted a message on that site telling anyone who was still interested in finding out the latest on this accident should check out this site. In doing so I must of offended some people because I was basically told to just "let it rest" and "stop blamming". I responed by merely stating that I was NOT trying to blame anyone.... but with out a doubt there were some very serious mistakes made that night, not only by Adam but by the Rangers in their lack of effort that night. I continued to say that there was a LOT of important facts that have surfaced that the papers are NOT publishing in trying to save face. The papers put in there what they want NOT the whole truth, I have never been more aware of this as to now. But anyway what I find amazing is that they DELETED my post, saying that I was making accusations!! Its seems o.k. for people to make accusations about Adam such as saying he was speeding (which has been proved that he was NOT) that he was drunk (which again he was not).... yet when I say something about the lame rescue effort that night I am BANNED form even letting others seeing my post!! WHAT??????

As for letting it rest.... how can I when obviously something is wrong in the way emergencies are handled on the island, and two people are dead as a result. If nothing else, I hope and pray that something good comes of all this, that people will be a bit wiser and learn from all this. Not only the people who 4-wheel but the authorites as well.

-Linda

Can we all just agree that is was a tragic event and hope that nothing like this ever happens to anyone ever again? I hope that we all learned something here about 4weeling, and how sometimes every safety measure cannot save everyone, every time. Would I lock this thread if I could? Probably seeing how hummoron is acting in such a way that will only add to more and more replies, wasting bandwidth. Well, at least there are many adults here that are not whining their hatred for Hummers and all basic capitalism. Then only to turn and take it out on the poor soles that are no longer with us. After all it just ends up fueling to the all mighty hummer haters. If you hate my hummer, great, good…I love the fact that you do, after all it's you right. But coming onto a Hummer forum to talk poorly about Hummer is one thing. To start mocking people that have loved ones that died in a tragic death is horrific. Only because they are driving a hummer - holding them to a higher level of stupidity is immensely amazing on its own. As Linda said, mistakes were made…yes! Mistakes by what sounds like everyone involved pretty much had one or two mistakes probably. We like to call that human error. It can happen when you misjudge a cooking recipe…oh well…it can also happen and cost people lives…when this happens it is truly a sickening thing. Please find it in your heart to see your reflection in the mirror and just allow all whom died to rest in piece.

Amen

Linda, your last post was edited on that forum:Adam made a mistake and we can all agree on that. What I am interested in is the response, or lack there of. According to the other forum the parents have gotten lawyers. Now that may bother me depending on where they go with it.

Amen </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Guys, what fairytale land are you from. "Let's just HOPE that nothing like this ever happens again" ? To several adults here, this is not some idea you can just keep at arm's length. Please do us all a favor and read all of the posts here before you post your opinion about the subject. To just write off the whole thing and forget about it, you would have to ignore the facts and basically not give a damn as to whether or not something could have been done different. You see, this isn't about one person making a mistake. It is about a standard operation procedure that must be flawed for this to have transpired the way it did.

This same thing could happen on any rural road in any state if the emergency services are not trained properly.

You bet your ass I'd be canned if I pulled anything like that. What they did went way past negligence, and there is no way you can say otherwise. They were lazy, plain and simple. Just becuase Adam was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be, and possibly being careless does not free emergency responders from performing their duties. Maybe the next time a drunk plows into a loaded minivan I'll just leave him there since he was stupid...I think not. The Park Rangers ****ed up, plain and simple, and in the end they'll pay the price with their jobs and a lawsuit. When you call off a search and the people die of exposure because you were lazy...you pay.