hey vegas great install the only problem i see is that if you have a problem with the sunroof while under warranty it gives the dealer an out.and i know those sunroof repairs can get very expensive.so to solve this problem i would try to connect the module in a manner so that it can be removed easily if you have a sunroof problem. just my 2 cents.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by intimidator:
hey vegas great install the only problem i see is that if you have a problem with the sunroof while under warranty it gives the dealer an out.and i know those sunroof repairs can get very expensive.so to solve this problem i would try to connect the module in a manner so that it can be removed easily if you have a sunroof problem. just my 2 cents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct, but after installing this it would be about a 10 minute job to remove it.

Just installed it!! It works great! It took all of 20 minutes after I figured out that the console has phillips screws and not torx!
Thanks again LasVegas, this was a great find.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Bill:
Just installed it!! It works great! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad you like it. Really a upgrade for little money plus easy install.

Las Vegas,

With your mod will it open to the first stop or all the way open?

Thanks,

Finbox

Opens all the way. If to touch while it's traveling it stops there.

Mine actually opens to the first stop and then one more touch all the way open. Mine's an '03.

That is how the factory one in the 05 works. Damn I felt special driving an 05 with this mysterious feature. You guys are ruining this for me

'89 anything to ruin your day!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 89vette:
You guys are ruining this for me <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehehehehehehehe

Great mod!!! Got mine yesterday & installed it this morning - piece of cake!!!

Thanks for the great find -- I got it from ebay for $30 + $6 shipping.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Bill:
Mine actually opens to the first stop and then one more touch all the way open. Mine's an '03. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's really strange Bill. I read my '03 manual & it talks about the first "convenience" stop but mine has never had that and most don't as far as I know. I wonder if yours was a late year '03 with some '04 features?? Still doesn't explain what's in my manual. That's Hummer...like nothing else!

Actually mine is an early '03 I bought it in July of '02. VIN 913.

Hey Bill I have an 04 and it has the different stop positions. Didn't know it till I read this post. Tried it last night on the way home it goes back further each time you hit the button. I will be installing my auto-loc this afternoon I will see where it stops.

Just put it in and works great. Thanks again LV great find . Bill it still stops at 1st convenience stop press again and goes to second stop.

FEVER, that's exactly what it's supposed to do! It is a very cool and inexpensive mod.

Fever & Bill. This really has me stumped. See my prior post where my manual says there are "convenient stops" but mine has never done that. Do you suppose it's a programming thing???? Any ideas from anybody would be appreciated.

Sunroof Description and Operation
Power Sunroof System Components
The power sunroof system is a tilt/slide style, consisting of the following components:

Sunroof actuator, control module included
Sunroof switch
Sunroof window
Sunshade
The rail and track assembly upon which the sunroof window rides
Power supply for the sunroof actuator motor and Retained Accessory Power (RAP) relay: SUNROOF 25 A fuse
Ground G203
Power Sunroof Operation
The power sunroof will operate with the ignition switch turned to Accessory or RUN. Once the ignition switch is turned to OFF, from RUN, the sunroof will continue to operate until any door is open or when the Retained Accessory Power (RAP) has timed out. For a complete description of the RAP operation, refer to Retained Accessory Power (RAP) Description and Operation in Retained Accessory Power.

Use the rocker type sunroof switch to command the sunroof to :

Open
Closed
Vent
Pressing the sunroof switch rearward, the sunroof window will slide from:

Vent position to the closed position
Closed position to the open position
Pressing the sunroof switch forward, the sunroof window will slide from:

Open position to the closed position
Closed position to the vent position
To Slide Open
The slide open function will work when the sunroof window is in the closed or partially open position. To slide open the power sunroof, press and hold the sunroof switch rearward. This will apply an input to the sunroof actuator motor from the sunroof switch open contacts through the sunroof switch open signal circuit. The constant input, allows the sunroof actuator motor to control the opening of the sunroof window. From the closed position the sunroof window will lower slightly, then slide open, rearward, with the sunroof sunshade between the roof and the headliner, stopping at the comfort stop position.

From the comfort stop position, an open request will slide the sunroof window approximately (1 in) 2.54 cm further open. The next open request will slide the sunroof window completely to the full open position.

To Close
To close the power sunroof from the:

Open position -- press and hold the sunroof switch forward. This will apply an input to the sunroof actuator motor from the sunroof switch close contacts through the sunroof switch close signal circuit. The sunroof switch close input at the sunroof actuator motor needs to be constant, switch pressed, allowing the sunroof actuator motor to control the motor to drive the sunroof window forward, until it reaches the closed position. To close the sunshade, this will have to be manually slid closed.
Vent position -- press and hold the sunroof switch rearward. This will apply an input to the sunroof actuator motor from the sunroof switch open contacts through the sunroof switch circuit. The sunroof switch open input to the sunroof actuator motor needs to be constant, switch pressed, to allow the motor to tilt the sunroof window down to the fully closed position.
To Vent Open
To open the power sunroof to the vent position from the closed position, press and hold the sunroof switch forward. This will apply an input to the sunroof actuator motor from the sunroof switch close contacts through the sunroof switch close signal circuit. The sunroof switch close input to the sunroof actuator motor needs be constant, switch pressed, to allow the sunroof actuator motor to control the motor to tilt the rear of the sunroof window upward to the vent position.

Limit Switches
The limit switches are within the sunroof actuator motor and supply data. The multiple data combinations allow the sunroof actuator motor to track the position of the sunroof window.

Sunroof Actuator Motor
The sunroof actuator motor contains the logic and is serviceable as one unit.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:

Limit Switches
The limit switches are within the sunroof actuator motor and supply data. The multiple data combinations allow the sunroof actuator motor to track the position of the sunroof window.

Sunroof Actuator Motor
The sunroof actuator motor contains the logic and is serviceable as one unit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks P. Now I'm really confused.

After reading your information I bought one these units and wanted to have a Shop install it, but they gave some crud about Auto-Loc's instructions. So I printed out your instructions and did it my self in less then a 1/2hour and it worked Great. So Thank You Very Much for your Great Direction.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> wanted to have a Shop install it, but they gave some crud about Auto-Loc's instructions </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're welcome & I'm not sure I'd go back to that shop.

Where did you position your new control module in the overhead console? I have my XM radio tuner mounted in the front of my console and sits in a cut-out on the console. I guess what I am saying is that the front space of my console is taken up and am not sure if I will have room for the module.

Lost Wages, I wouldn’t worry too much about the “convenience” stops. You might even call them inconvenience stops. The first stop is about 3 inches from full open and the second is about 1 inch from full open. Now I could see if the first stop was 1/3 way and second was half way… that would be nice.

Now watch, everyone else’s probably does work that way and mine is just F’ed up.

Anyhow, I think after reading these posts, I’ll get one of these things. I hate holding my arm up for more than 3 seconds… it makes me sooo dizzy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rvs9:
Where did you position your new control module in the overhead console? I have my XM radio tuner mounted in the front of my console and sits in a cut-out on the console. I guess what I am saying is that the front space of my console is taken up and am not sure if I will have room for the module. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The module is about 3" x 1" & I just layed mine inside the console. There should be room but if not you could mount it up inside the roof area where the motor's located (see my install pics this post)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hummerNCO:
Lost Wages, I wouldn’t worry too much about the “convenience” stops. You might even call them inconvenience stops. The first stop is about 3 inches from full open and the second is about 1 inch from full open. Now I could see if the first stop was 1/3 way and second was half way… that would be nice.

Now watch, everyone else’s probably does work that way and mine is just F’ed up.

Anyhow, I think after reading these posts, I’ll get one of these things. I hate holding my arm up for more than 3 seconds… it makes me sooo dizzy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right. The more I've thought about it I'm just as glad it doesn't do the convenient stop thing.

Thanks LasVegas. Just ordered mine. As I do not keep alot of electrical doo-dads around the house, what materials will I nned in addition to wire cutters and electrical tape (i.e. # of quick clamp-on connectors, etc..)?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rvs9:
Thanks LasVegas. Just ordered mine. As I do not keep alot of electrical doo-dads around the house, what materials will I nned in addition to wire cutters and electrical tape (i.e. # of quick clamp-on connectors, etc..)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's about it. 1/2 dozen clamp connectors should do it. Real easy install. You'll like it.

Jonahs
Got mine installed and works perfectly on 2005.
My first stop is as mentioned previouly. 3" from open and then touch it and it opens the rest of the way. Weird
Thanks
TAZ

Las Vegas,
Put mine in today and it works well, but I noticed when it moves to auto close, it stops before it gets all the way in and does not seal. In fact when it opens it open relatively fast, but on close it’s slow.... If I assist the sunroof with my hand by applying pressure the sunroof will close all the way and seal.
Thoughts?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JMV1210:
Las Vegas,
Put mine in today and it works well, but I noticed when it moves to auto close, it stops before it gets all the way in and does not seal. In fact when it opens it open relatively fast, but on close it’s slow.... If I assist the sunroof with my hand by applying pressure the sunroof will close all the way and seal.
Thoughts? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I assume you are certain this didn't exist before installing the express module. If not, say so. With that said, the only thing that might cause this is low voltage/current - poor connections. The only other possibility would be a defective module but I doubt that. I would start by checking the wiring sequence per my install wire colors & their instructions. Be certain the correct wires are on the correct side i.e. motor side - switch side. Then I would check ALL the connections you made for good solid contact. Redo them if necessary. Did you use quick connectors? They can be a little tricky. If that doesn't correct the problem, bypass the AutoLoc system and see if it's still slow closing. If it isn't at least you've isolated the problem to the AutoLoc (or your install). You'll need to resolve this because continued use at low voltage/current can damage the motor. Nobody else has experienced this problem. Let me know what you find.

MNV1210 ... I've checked the sunroof wiring diagram and don't really see how the AutoLoc could cause the problem you're describing. Do the things above and let me know. Here's the wiring diagram.

Dear JMV210,

I haven't put one of these in, but will order one today. But it sounds like you are having a resistance problem. This could come from a few places. The sunroof might need lubrication or have a loose or bent part. There could be dirt or crushed leaves in the mechanism. The sensitivity on the WC1000's load sensor might be set too high or faulty. Not having seen one, I don't know if it is adjustable. You may want to ask the manufacturer. Otherwise, just tell them it is defective and ask for a replacement.


Dear LV,

Great installation detail. Thanks! Saves us all a lot of time & stress.

t~

When I intially installed mine i had trouble with it opening but would close well. I did as Vegas said and went back with a meter and checked voltage at connections and the open side voltage would vary as I moved wire around. Rewired and worked perfect. The way it acted and having just installed i suspected My work first. The quick connects have for Me always been problamatic and I tossed them and went with inline connect to assure I had connections and all is OK.
TAZ

Dear Taz,

Thanks for clarifying and owning up. This helps, since I just ordered mine. That Vegas guy, he's alright, huh?

t~

<span class="ev_code_RED">Minor revision to wiring installation. See first post of this thread. For those that have installed per first instructions you do not have to change unless you want to. Will work fine as wired.</span>

I'll put it this way tower. There are only about 6 or 8 guys on this site that I would do something the exact way they told Me to with out guestion and if they were not sure they would send Me to one of the others to ask them.
Jonahs is top draw in any of Our books who have come to follow His directions. Follow it as He describes and do not deviate unless You discover a particular problem isolated to Your situation. Then when that happens let Vegas know He will look into it or post and one of the others will already know or they will look it up. I would not list them myself as I would be afraid to leave someone out but, by the time You follow this site for 6 months You will see who to pay attention to. But, right now you asked about Vegas and listen to Him if he finds a better way he will revise which i notice He just did on sun roof install. So there you go My opion and until proven different I'l follow My on advice.
TAZ (Rick)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Dear Taz,

Thanks for clarifying and owning up. This helps, since I just ordered mine. That Vegas guy, he's alright, huh?

t~ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Minor revision to wiring installation. See first post of this thread. For those that have installed per first instructions you do not have to change unless you want to. Will work fine as wired.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Vegas, is the Tan switched? Is the orange garage opener power always ON?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Minor revision to wiring installation. See first post of this thread. For those that have installed per first instructions you do not have to change unless you want to. Will work fine as wired.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Vegas, is the Tan switched? Is the orange garage opener power always ON? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>H2Finally....The Tan wire to your sunroof is switched. The garage door transmitter wire is always hot. But you still couldn't operate the sunroof with the ign off (except during RAP power) because the module/motor is not powered. Your AutoLoc would only be sending a signal to an unpowered module/motor.

Hate to brag but My point proven by DA MAN Himself Las Vegas or by His friends
Jonahs The Great. And yes Jonahs I exepect brownie points but they are honest points as this is the advice i would give even in private to any who asked.
Thanks Jonahs and You other 6 or more and you now who You are and you all receive acolades at various times. This includes You to DRTY.
TAZ (Rick)