If thats how you want to "tuck the tail and run" then so be it. I was just getting warmed up.

EDIT: I think TIM's truck is cool. Seems like a nice guy, trying all these kits for us!

Well if thats all ya got I guess I'll let you keep your dignity, whats left of it anyway.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Raaaarrrrh!!!1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You got me there... .. . ? Good one.

Son? From the pic I see of you on your bike on another thread, you are old enough to be my father. I can't fix that for you and for that I'm sorry.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Did I ask that you fix that?

Teh enragement is strong, you can’t stop posting back

LMFAO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh oh. You're still here and posting too...

I wonder what that means?

I think it means you've fallen and you can't get up... did you bust your hip?

I'm having a blast here.

Its not often someone will let you ride them this hard for free.

I feel like I should leave money on the night stand or something!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Do you really think I nominated him son?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
Here, I'm operator24. 24 is for the age. I'm currently 23 but that will change in early january so I'm just being efficient , </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How can a 23 year old have a son old enough to own a HUMMER?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Talljeeper:
You obviously chose the wrong wheel design...did you do a trial fit, or did you choose, "Thats looks cool"....seems to me if you had performed a trial fit you would have noted what offest was required. There also the issue of backspace which you never noted as well. <span class="ev_code_RED">4 WHeel Parts checked with Rancho and that backspace/ offset is what was required. 15, 16, and 17" all got the same. 18 and 20" was 5" of backspace. It wasn't enough and required wheel spacers ro it wouldn't touch the nuckle. Rancho's resonse to my questions/ issue was "the wheels should be 20" because that's what the kit was designed with and the kit was not designed to air down your tires." That quote is straight from their tech./ install dept. I'm sure since you drive a mighty Jeep off road, you know how great a 20" rim will do offroad and aired down.</span>
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Installation of this system does not allow for re-use of OEM (factory) wheels.</span>
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">* This kit was developed using a 325/60/R20 on 20x9" wheel with 5.0" of back-spacing. Use of the maximum tire size 37 x 12.50 will require some trimming of the front air dam/fascia & inner fender well for clearance. Rancho recommends using 4.5" of backspacing on 16", 17", and 18" wheels, 20" and above we recommend using 5.0" backspacing. Before installing any other wheel/tire combinations, consult your local tire & wheel specialist.</span>
Ranchos H3 system is a very well designed, quality suspension system.<span class="ev_code_RED">It is well built, but the design of where that front nuckle ends up, is total BS... unless your cool with 20" rims or the entire tread sticking out of your fenders.I know you Jeepssters like that look. The problem with that is that some of the states that I go to, will pull you over in two seconds for that.</span>

What you describe as far as ill handling can easily be attributed to tire tread design, improper inflation, poor alignment.....on and on.... <span class="ev_code_RED">Nope, I was assured everythign was aligned and balanced and inflated properly. And it was. The tires are not very aggressive, so I cannot see that being an issue at just higher speeds.</span>
Having had multiple Rancho systems over the years, I have yet to see a poor design from them, including the H3.<span class="ev_code_RED">Good for you.</span>

The H3 suspension is not a rocket science setup....

Also the comment on brakes.....anytime you add rotational mass at the axle brake performance degrades..... <span class="ev_code_RED">Yep, that was his point! Having to use a 20" rim or larger is a bad design.</span>
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">ITS NOT THE RIM SIZE THAT CAUSES THE DEGRADATION ITS THE MASS>>>I.E. WEIGHT. Even if the combo was a 37" X 17" combo its the weight</span>
While the RC setup looks pretty nice, the Rancho won't void the drivetrain warranty like the RC probably will.

You guys need to recognize the difference between these two mfg's..

Rancho bar none produces some of the finest off-road suspension systems manufactured...H3 included.

There is a reason the RC isn't being mass produced an that is to address bump steer issues...I am sure thay will reach a compromise on the design. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree Rancho makes good shocks... Well actually Monroe makes them, Rancho just puts their name on them. As far as the Quality of the Rancho system, it looks to be built nicely, good welds, nice paint ect.but theres alot more to the design than just looks. From the two kits that I have seen installed (not including tims, which I didnt see)The same problems have arisen for these owners as well, complaints of poor braking, bad handling as well as the compatable use of the stock tires/wheels. One of the people I know has already has had the kit taken off and returned it. The other is planning on haiving it taken off. The dealer oem Warranty is completed voided by using this kit reguardless of what TallJeep says. Maybe not from all dealers in the world but out here in Arizona is sure is. I have put over 700 miles of offroad use on my H3 and believe that one of the only issues with the H3 is clearance. I look forward to lifting mine like many others do and just want to have the right combination of height and handling without having to spend alot of wasted money just because it is a H3 and not a Chevy Colorado/Canyon (compare Lift Kit prices). I also have a Jeep with a RC 6" lift and it performs great with zero bumpsteer, articulates great, has plenty of clearance and allows me to use 33" tires without rubbing without any funky backspacing problems. It was affordable and EZ to install and the vehicle aligned with no problems at all. If Rough Country is going to offer the same product for the H3, well Thats awesome.I know I wont be putting on a Rancho kit, Thats for sure. I know hundreds of Jeep owners but not one of them actually owns a rancho lift although a great deal of them have the Monroe (Rancho) Shocks including me. I would really love to see other companies such as Rubicon Express, Rock Krawler as well as any other manufacture offer a lift for the H3. It would be great to more options and competition to bring the prices down to realitiy. I love the performance of my H3 and its offroad capabilities are great for being a stock vehicle with a Locker. I too look forward to having it for years and using it for what it was designed for. "Offroading". I just hate hearing people that Dont own an H3, tell people that do own one what the problem is and why. Course that is just my opinion,I could be wrong.

I plowed through 2 sets of rancho rs9000s on a Jeep TJ a few years ago. They lasted about a year each and then clearly lost their charge and drove like hell. They were a nice shock when I bought them though... just didn't last long. Seems to be the rancho motto: Great out of the box, not a friend of durability. I was a weekend wheeler though, that jeep saw heavy use every 6 days.

Bilstien makes a top notch shock. Fox makes a nice one too. Both of those will last. Fox stuff can all be rebuilt and recharged too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
I own a Heep and know nothing about Hummers but I’ll be happy to make stuff up.
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Fixed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll give it to you there. That made me laugh when I first read it. That was real original to post it 3 other times on different threads. I see you're real creative. I chuckled as I look out the window at a pair of 2 week old H3s in the driveway, and a '05 silver Rubicon worth more in total value.

I have yet to see you wow me with any vast hummer,4x4, or even auto related knowledge yet though.. wonder why that is?

I'm going log off now and go help a buddy of mine re-wire his 4.6L stroked motor in his 91 YJ on 40" goodyears. Then were going to go wheelin. Have a great day.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator24:
I own a Heep and know nothing about Hummers but I’ll be happy to make stuff up.
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Fixed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FIXED AGAIN
I'm going now and go help a buddy of mine stroke off. Then were going to go wheelin. Have a great day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea yea. Whatever.