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Donkey_Kong 01-09-2007 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HummBebe
Kid,

How and what I spend my money on is my business. Not a flame but mind your manners.

You're argument is useless. I bet you have never driven a Land Cruiser either.:twak: 6870lbs, with 215 hp inline 6. 225 lbft torque. The H3 is only anemic if you drive like an idiot.:clapping:


But thanks for the positive words.:D

Sorry honey but a Land Cruiser is way above the H3s league.

All I'm saying is why would an experienced vet like yourself not feel that bumper is grossly overhanging. Don't be so nice just because it's a freebee for hummbebe(:giggling: ). Prototypes are just that, prototypes. Some don't need testing just by looking at it. That bumper is obvious visually that you're gonna get hung up alot more now along with those rock rails. It's embarrasing getting hung up or stuck. You're gonna experience this alot more now.

If you got a lift down the road, that would be a different story. It might actually look damn good. Maybe you should consider that. But the weak 5 engine still owns you:OWNED: . Or save the headaches and upgrade to a more capable STOCK H2.:D

garnerbiker 01-09-2007 05:38 PM
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This is hysterical! I love to read this stuff!:giggling:

stagger_lee 01-09-2007 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong
Or save the headaches and upgrade to a more capable STOCK H2.:D

Thats a good one. :giggling:

RuggedH2 01-09-2007 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong
That bumper is obvious visually that you're gonna get hung up alot more now along with those rock rails. It's embarrasing getting hung up or stuck. You're gonna experience this alot more now.

Assuming that you are correct, that the bumper does get hung up (and you don't know that from these pics), it isn't going to hurt that bumper one bit, and she should be able to power off of it, or drag it.

AND you're an assh*le, but you already know that. :D

CO Hummer 01-09-2007 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HummBebe
It will look alot different when the over the hood brushguard is on.

That is an understatement! You can't look at the bumper w/o the brush guard installed to make a judgment on the aesthetics of it.

Donkey_Kong 01-09-2007 06:38 PM
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Assuming that you are correct, that the bumper does get hung up (and you don't know that from these pics), it isn't going to hurt that bumper one bit, and she should be able to power off of it, or drag it.

AND you're an assh*le, but you already know that. :D


Dumbass, you obviously don't wheel at all to make an assinine comment like that.

Look at how far that thing sticks out, you can serve a thanksgiving dinner on that thing. And now that he's made the wings (which are meant to collapse) of that bumper solid it will get hung up even on the most easiest of obstacles. That includes the ridiculously over-protruding rock rails. The H3 car is useless now.

Anti-BlInG 01-09-2007 06:45 PM
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Just picture how the other car will look in an accident...:giggling:

Anti-BlInG 01-09-2007 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong
About as useless as getting a blowjob from this chick.

You're classy...and very knowledgeable.:shhh:

RuggedH2 01-09-2007 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong
Dumbass, you obviously don't wheel at all to make an assinine comment like that.

Look at how far that thing sticks out, you can serve a thanksgiving dinner on that thing. And now that he's made the wings (which are meant to collapse) of that bumper solid it will get hung up even on the most easiest of obstacles. That includes the ridiculously over-protruding rock rails. The H3 car is useless now.

I never claimed to be Mickey Thompson.

You are the one CLAIMING to be the wheeling professional. Your expertise and knowledge are above question. You said it, so it MUST be true.

I've seen several videos with Bebe wheelin difficult obstacles. I've never seen you wheel shiat. She made the decision based on her knowledge and experience. Is she supposed to trust your judgement? Where is your wheelin video? Where is any proof you know anything worth listening to? :giggling:

stagger_lee 01-09-2007 07:45 PM
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So because its a prototype does that mean she is paying for it, or just testing it for them. If so, she wheels the crap out of it, and then in return gives feedback on whether not its a good product. If its a piece of garbage, she takes it off. No big deal. No more production. Sounds and looks like she has the knowledge to make an educated decision. It may not be the best product for rockcrawling, but desert fun and snow, could prove to be excellent proctection and solid push/pull points. :beerchug:

HummBebe 01-09-2007 08:25 PM
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Well,

Here are some other Truck Winch Bumper sample from other Manufacturers:

http://www.buckstop.biz/gmc99-04.html

http://www.gowarn.com/warn-mounting-...nd-bumpers.asp

http://www.4by4connection.com/arb1.html


And some examples of similar styles.












So in comparison to others, I'd say it looks similar.

If someone could provide an example of what it 'should" look like, then I'm sure Neil would be open to it.

In addition, the "approach" angle issue is silly. As you can see by this HUMMER example:

The Green Lantern 01-09-2007 08:32 PM
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Those are nice!! I can't wait to see the H3 version. :perfect10s:

Hummer Kid 01-10-2007 12:25 AM
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Those photos of the dodge and gmc trucks you posted with the huge bumbers dont go off roading. they are for looks. most BIG ranch hand bumbers are for looks or towing and for sure if you hit something you are protected for sure.Why would alot more weight be good for wheeling we aready have a under powered 5 cylinder motor ?I guees the more weight someone can add MAYBE the motor will come up with some horse power hid somewhere. i agree with donkey its alot of weight BUT YES IT LOOKS AWESOME !

HummBebe 01-10-2007 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Hummer Kid
Those photos of the dodge and gmc trucks you posted with the huge bumbers dont go off roading. they are for looks. most BIG ranch hand bumbers are for looks or towing and for sure if you hit something you are protected for sure.Why would alot more weight be good for wheeling we aready have a under powered 5 cylinder motor ?I guees the more weight someone can add MAYBE the motor will come up with some horse power hid somewhere. i agree with donkey its alot of weight BUT YES IT LOOKS AWESOME !

It doesn't take "power" to wheel. Tacomas and pathfinders do it with 110 horsepower.

Sewie 01-10-2007 12:50 AM
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Hey Hummer Kid, thanks for all the wheeling advice. Did you ever get those 22's? :giggling: :OWNED:

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...719#post331719

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...682#post333682

Hummer Kid 01-10-2007 12:52 AM
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TRUE torque does make alot of diffrence in everything .

Hummer Kid 01-10-2007 12:58 AM
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No we are going a diffrent direction. but thanks for spending the time to pull up old threads. wow you have alot of free time. But thanks for careing so much and wanting be kept updated. Did i GIVE YOU advice on wheeling OR did it say someting in the matter of big trucks like those in the photos dont go wheeling. Anyone knows if you take a big f 250 or f 350 diesal you will get stuck due the weight of the diesal and how much fun can it be in a 4 door long bed truck wheeling.But no we aready put 35 BFGS mud tires on it.And the last response i did ask a question about weight not giving you advice as you stated but maybe you can search and find some olds threads for us or maybe you can answer it for us on the more weight since you are the expert as you think .Heres a question for you ?IS DONKEY KONG RIGHT OR WRONG ON WHAT HE SAID HERE ? I GUESS YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT SO PLEASE TELL US ????

Anti-BlInG 01-10-2007 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sewie
Hey Hummer Kid, thanks for all the wheeling advice. Did you ever get those 22's? :giggling: :OWNED:

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...719#post331719

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/s...682#post333682

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:clapping: :dancingbanana:

PARAGON 01-10-2007 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hummer Kid
TRUE torque does make alot of diffrence in everything .
FAKE torque doesn't?

Anti-BlInG 01-10-2007 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
FAKE torque doesn't?

hmmmm, as i said previously his punctuation isnt the best...forgot the comma?:twak:

Urban Ops 01-10-2007 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HummBebe
It doesn't take "power" to wheel. Tacomas and pathfinders do it with 110 horsepower.

Hell my Samurai will out wheel most with just 64 ponies.

GotSandH3 01-10-2007 03:01 AM
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Iv wheels many times in my H3. With me being the only one in it and also with 3 other people in it. If you think about it that like an average of an extra 500-600lbs. The engine doesnt seem to struggle while "Crawling" with that extra weight. Im not sure how much those bumpers weight, but I dout that they are 600lbs.

Hummer Kid 01-10-2007 03:29 AM
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So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ?Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ?They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?

PARAGON 01-10-2007 03:36 AM
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So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ?Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ?They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?
Donkey Kong is wrong, period.

Anti-BlInG 01-10-2007 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
Donkey Kong is wrong, period.
You make be glad.

Hummer Kid 01-10-2007 03:45 AM
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THANKS !

HummBebe 01-10-2007 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Urban Ops
Hell my Samurai will out wheel most with just 64 ponies.

OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.:jump:

Urban Ops 01-10-2007 04:01 AM
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OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.:jump:

LOL, yea, thats on a good day. It's all about the gearing. 114:1 is a great low.

Huck BB62 01-10-2007 04:03 AM
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OMFG.....you gotta be kidding, 64 HP???? LMFAO, if that doesn't prove it, nothing else will.:jump:

Yeah, but my buddy's Samarai weighs less than my Quad! (If I'm not mistaken, my quad's Vtwin fuel injected Rotax has more POWER than his sammy!!!!)

Urban Ops 01-10-2007 04:03 AM
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Bumpers look gret by the way. I would be a little concerned about approach angle though. When are you going to yank out the IFS and put in a straight axle and coilovers?

Urban Ops 01-10-2007 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Huck BB62
Yeah, but my buddy's Samarai weighs less than my Quad! (If I'm not mistaken, my quad's Vtwin fuel injected Rotax has more POWER than his sammy!!!!)


Few things out there have less HP than a Samurai, lol.

FYI, my Sammy weighs in at 2500 lbs with big tires, roll cage and winch bumper.

HummBebe 01-10-2007 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Urban Ops
Bumpers look gret by the way. I would be a little concerned about approach angle though. When are you going to yank out the IFS and put in a straight axle and coilovers?

Well, as I posted earlier, it can't be affected. The "Overhang" yes. But the winch is placed higher than the other options out there.

Keep in mind I'm running 35's and have the t-bars cranked with Rancho 9000's already. So my approach angle was way improved over stock to start with.

I'm gonna set up my FZJ80 next, it all ready has a straight axle:giggling:

The HUMMER stays IFS.

Sewie 01-10-2007 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hummer Kid
No we are going a diffrent direction. but thanks for spending the time to pull up old threads. You're welcome. wow you have alot of free time. Well, sorting through all 30 of your posts for that nugget was very time consuming. :rolleyes: But thanks for careing so much and wanting be kept updated. Did i GIVE YOU advice on wheeling You posted your drivel in an open forum, so in a sense, yes. OR did it say someting in the matter of big trucks like those in the photos dont go wheeling. Anyone knows if you take a big f 250 or f 350 diesal you will get stuck due the weight of the diesal and how much fun can it be in a 4 door long bed truck wheeling.But no we aready put 35 BFGS mud tires on it.And the last response i did ask a question about weight not giving you advice as you stated but maybe you can search and find some olds threads for us or maybe you can answer it for us on the more weight since you are the expert as you think . Really? I said that? Can you show me where. Heres a question for you ?IS DONKEY KONG RIGHT OR WRONG ON WHAT HE SAID HERE ? I GUESS YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT SO PLEASE TELL US ????

So sad. All those edits and you're still owned by spelling and proper sentence structure. :yawn:

Sewie 01-10-2007 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Hummer Kid
So sewie answer the question is donkey kong right or wrong on their statement on here. It depends on which statement you're referring to. You seem to be the the all american pro of 4 wheeling here Wow, is that like an official title? Does it come with a T-shirt? so please give us advice on what donkey kong said ? Why? Funny how no one has disputed anything that donkey kong said on here I wander WHY ? You're still new here so I'll give you some more time to think about it. They are the one that made it sound like you were not going to go wheeling again with out getting stuck WERENT THEY ?

Did you figure it out yet? No, then I'll help you out a bit. Donkey Kong is a bitter AE. I don't need or even want to respond to his BS.

You on the other hand, come off as a punk ass, zit popping, little troll. How about you post up some pics of that H3 of yours with the 35's. Otherwise, STFU.

stagger_lee 01-10-2007 04:52 PM
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Just a side note for the Kid, wheeling ability has little to do with weight as long as you have the power and torque to move it. Weight can help you keep that rubber on the ground. Its wheelbase. Thats why the samuri does so well and full size trucks dont. It doesn't get hung up in the middle because the wheels are so close together. Fullsize vehicles have an easier time with obsticles like The Golden Crack where a stretch is needed.

And the bumper ish. I know what Donkey is saying, but the loss of angle is going to be so minimal, compared the protection to your front and rear end, and winch mount up high. Pros far outweigh cons, and looks f-in wicked tough at that.

Avoid bad take off angles and hit the obsticle at an angle not straight ahead, no big deal. :beerchug:

PARAGON 01-10-2007 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stagger_lee
Just a side note for the Kid, wheeling ability has little to do with weight as long as you have the power and torque to move it.
wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

stagger_lee 01-10-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
wrong

you have a finite amount of contact patch area. The more weight you add to a vehicle the more that finite area has to keep grip and move. Gravity is working against that in any climbing situation, so the weight is trying to transfer downhill, causing the the truck to slide. More weight, more slide.

Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

In that prespective, I stand corrected. ,:beerchug:

Urban Ops 01-10-2007 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
Weight has has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with wheeling ability. No matter how much power you apply, if the contact patches can't grip due to the overwhelming weight, you are going nowhere.

:iagree:

HummBebe 01-10-2007 05:21 PM
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So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

CO Hummer 01-10-2007 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HummBebe
So do you guys think a couple hundred lbs on the front will affect traction in this case?

A couple hundred "additional" lbs?

While I know Neil's stuff weighs a lot more, I can't see it weight that much more. Do you have the exact numbers - stocks with winch vs your new setup?


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