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evldave 08-01-2006 04:41 PM
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Careful evldave, you'll put an eye out with a gun.

When we were kids growing up, we used to play poor man's paintball. We'd use pellet/BB guns and shoot at each other. Sometimes we'd remember to wear goggles. My buddy got shot in the eye w/a BB, swelled shut, real bad damage, but they were able to get the BB out - now he can barely see out of that eye. Parent's shut us down after that...:mad:

ETD 08-01-2006 09:06 PM
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that's not the wakizashi I saw you with last;)

Nah, that was a bushmaster. It's a good way to carry a compass ;)

Big Z: Ok, now I get it. The magnums are the tall thin ones. Now are you going to make me go back and read the ballistic treatise or can you tell me again why the magnums are more powerful? Is it because they have more grains? Or is it the cap that is special?

Big Z 08-02-2006 04:10 AM
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Big Z: Ok, now I get it. The magnums are the tall thin ones. Now are you going to make me go back and read the ballistic treatise or can you tell me again why the magnums are more powerful? Is it because they have more grains? Or is it the cap that is special?


This is the Simple Answer!--This pic!----And In the following pic, Just think what the MAGNUM LOAD Would do to you Vs. The Regular LOAD! :D

Big Z 08-02-2006 04:12 AM
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The Difference!----BIG!......And MAGNUM!

PARAGON 08-02-2006 03:14 PM
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While magnum is not always universal, it generally is used to signify that it's a certain caliber ammo, but with a "magnum charge" or more grains of powder. So, it's faster and has more energy.

.22 vs. .22MAG

.357 vs. .357Mag

.44 vs. .44Mag

.45 vs. 45 Win Mag

.300 Savage vs. .300 Win Mag vs. .300 Wby Mag

ETD 08-02-2006 06:28 PM
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Sorry, to be a wee bit slow, but...
Big Z, in your photo's, the magnums were NOT "bigger" but longer and all but the .22 had the metallic cap so that to a novice, those were the differences NOT the overwhelming size difference as in your photo's of the drinking containers. Or was that because of the loss of perspective in the photo's of the bullets and there IS really that much difference in size.
Paragon, that's what I was wondering. That is, the difference in projectile effectiveness has to do with the fact that there is that much more explosive material in the magnum bullets and not that they are longer and capped with some other metal (i.e. they needed to be longer to be able to hold more explosive force).
BTW, I figured that if shape was of primary importance, wouldn't bullets still be spherical? Doesn't a sphere going forward in air have the least drag coefficient or is my physics too rusty?

PARAGON 08-02-2006 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ETD
Sorry, to be a wee bit slow, but...
Big Z, in your photo's, the magnums were NOT "bigger" but longer and all but the .22 had the metallic cap so that to a novice, those were the differences NOT the overwhelming size difference as in your photo's of the drinking containers. Or was that because of the loss of perspective in the photo's of the bullets and there IS really that much difference in size.
Paragon, that's what I was wondering. That is, the difference in projectile effectiveness has to do with the fact that there is that much more explosive material in the magnum bullets and not that they are longer and capped with some other metal (i.e. they needed to be longer to be able to hold more explosive force).
BTW, I figured that if shape was of primary importance, wouldn't bullets still be spherical? Doesn't a sphere going forward in air have the least drag coefficient or is my physics too rusty?
The "bullet" itself really has nothing to do with it being a magnum or not. Magnum labeling comes from the powder charge, generally.

The shape, design, make-up, etc. of the bullet is something completely different and refers to it's caliber size (.22 or .38 for instance) and then the various ways the bullet itself is designed. Soft Point, Full Metal Jacket, Hollow Point, Wadcutter, etc. Then you get into more intricacies such as ballistic tip sierra boattail, etc etc. All of that refers just to the bullet.

Cartridges are labeled various things by the manufacturers and magnum was just something they came up with for a specific caliber "bullet" that has a higher powder charge (requires more space behind the bullet, hence the longer casing) to be more powerful.

So, Big Z's point was that there's more punch in a magnum due to the gunpowder load.

PARAGON 08-02-2006 06:46 PM
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In magnum centerfire rifles, the casing is generally longer AND "fatter" than their non-magnum counterparts.

It's a design element. In theory, one could design a "magnum" cartridge that was the same height as it's standard counterpart, but with a fatter casing and then neck down the top to fit the caliber. That's just not done in handgun applications.

I think that was what you were refering to.

MarineHawk 08-02-2006 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ETD
Sorry, to be a wee bit slow, but...
Big Z, in your photo's, the magnums were NOT "bigger" but longer and all but the .22 had the metallic cap so that to a novice, those were the differences NOT the overwhelming size difference as in your photo's of the drinking containers. Or was that because of the loss of perspective in the photo's of the bullets and there IS really that much difference in size.
Paragon, that's what I was wondering. That is, the difference in projectile effectiveness has to do with the fact that there is that much more explosive material in the magnum bullets and not that they are longer and capped with some other metal (i.e. they needed to be longer to be able to hold more explosive force).
BTW, I figured that if shape was of primary importance, wouldn't bullets still be spherical? Doesn't a sphere going forward in air have the least drag coefficient or is my physics too rusty?

Your physics is a bit rusty. A long pointy projectile with a tapered base tends to have the lowest drag (balistic coefficient). Otherwise, spherical airplanes would be a lot more common. Higher density also yields a higher ballistic coeficient. Strictly speaking, the bullet has no explosive material. The cartridge does. The cartrige essentially consists of the casing, the bullet, the primer, and the gunpowder inside the casing. The bullet is the (generally lead covered by a thin copper jacket) metal thingy that goes flying through and out of the barrel at a fairly high velocity. The term "Magnum" is just a name given to some fairly hot cartridges. For example, a .44 Magnum cartridge holds a lot more charge than a .44 S&W Special. A typical 180 grain .44 Special flies out of the muzzle at about 1,000 fps; a 180 grain .44 Magnum comes out at 1,610 fps. And remember, it's the energy, which is proportional to the square of the velocity, that hurts, stops, and kills something. Thus, the 180 gr .44 Magnum delivers 1,036 ft-lbs of energy, while the 180 gr .44 Special delivers only 400 fpe. Similarly, a 125 gr .38 special puts out about 250 fpe, while the .357 Mag. (same caliber) puts out 583 fpe.
That being said, a "non-magnum" Cor-Bon 135 gr .40 S&W semi-auto round puts out 526 fpe and you can stuff anywhere from 11 to 18 of them in various semi-auto pistols as opposed to the six .357 "Magnums" you can load in a revolver.
IMHO, if I was going to encounter anything that weighed more than 400 lbs, I would want a revolver loaded with at least a .44 Mag. If I was going to encounter any carnivorous mammal wieghing more than 1,000 lbs (and I couldn't/didn't want to bring a rifle), I'd probably want to move up to something more powerfull, like a .454 Casull, a .480 Ruger, one of the .50 cal magnums, etc... And, on the smaller side, I'd like to have my .44 Ruger Redhawk when facing a Black Bear, but when backpacking in the Colorado Wilderness Areas I feel perfectly prepared carrying one of my much lighter .40 S&W handguns as a Black Bear repellant.

DennisAJC 08-02-2006 07:41 PM
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All this talk about shooting bears.

Has anyone considered that maybe the bear just wants a hug and a little understanding?

PARAGON 08-02-2006 08:23 PM
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All this talk about shooting bears.

Has anyone considered that maybe the bear just wants a hug and a little understanding?
Is that where bear hug came from?

DennisAJC 08-02-2006 08:55 PM
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Is that where bear hug came from?

Yup.

Here's the guy that made the word "Bear Hug" famous. He doesn't hug bears anymore though.:D :D :D

Groundpounder 08-02-2006 09:40 PM
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For a good serviceable, defense, home protection, on and off duty I use a SIG SAUER. The department issued the double stack (12 rounds) SIG 226 in a .40 cal. I carry a single stack (8 rounds) SIG 239 off duty with a .357-Sig round. The Texas highway patrol uses the SIG SAUER with the .357-Sig. The .357-SIG will penetrate a windhield with no problem.
As for the safety, the SIG SAUER has a de-cocker. During transition to "autoloaders" years ago my partner had a Smith & Wesson. During the problem/clearing class i kept messing him up by putting it on "safe". It took to long to find the problem and correct it. In my business I do not have the time. I went with SIG SAUER's. Slightly heavy first pull, to make sure you want to, and a short second or more. If no more threat, then just drop the hammer with the de-cocker and the SIG SAUER is ready to go again if something pops up.
Do not forget night sights!!!!!:cool:

John
Dallas
UTPD

Big Z 08-03-2006 01:41 AM
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Big Z: Ok, now I get it. The magnums are the tall thin ones. Now are you going to make me go back and read the ballistic treatise or can you tell me again why the magnums are more powerful? Is it because they have more grains? Or is it the cap that is special?

First off, I REALLY thought you were Yankin My Chain! lol Sorry! :D :o With this one!

Anyway MarineHawk & Paragon have answered your Question Very well--In a VERY small space--On a subject that can take months to learn and Years to Master!--HandLoading!....So, before you start pumping out bullets, and getting brain fry from ALL the Variables!, On Making the PERFECT Load, (For every Caliber, each gun, for Different application, for..DON'T GET ME STARTED!)----Learning to shoot needs happen first.:)

I will suggest though , If You----or anyone with limited or No knowledge of guns, hunting, or use----are planning on getting a hand gun----or ANY! gun for that matter--Sport, hunting, Defense, or collecting--TAKE A GUN COURSE!!!....GO TO RANGES AND EVENTS! (You'll get Loads of Knowledge, and EXPERIENCE!)----WARNING Though!: The Sport Can Get As Bad As---GOLD FEVER!--- If your Not Carfull! :D Be SAFE...And Master Your Sport!

Here IS the EASY WAY!!---Buy a T/C Contender, first barrel-22LR or 22Mag--shoot 1000 rounds---get another Barrel-suggest 38spl/357Mag---shoot 500 rounds---Another Barrel--40 Smith, 45, 44mag, 30-30, 223, 12Guage..............Just about any caliber.....Practice! Practice!, Practice!---MORE BULLETS!.....KEEP YOUR BRASS!...Ya might get the Fever!

..Any Spelling Errors are the fault fo the Key Board!..

These are examples of Different Bullet Types, BIG Of course! The first 5 (left to right) are the 500 Magnum--each load for a different purpose.

PTHP= Platinum Tip Hollow Point 400Gr
JSP = Jacked Soft Point 400Gr
RNFP= Round Nose Flat Point 330Gr---Lead
CAST Bullet 375Gr
CAST Bullet 440Gr

The Rest Are,

JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point
FMJ= Full Metal Jacket or Ball
FJHP= Full Jacket Hollow Point
FMJFP= ???

This Should give you a better understanding of Handgun, Bullets!

PARAGON 08-03-2006 01:45 AM
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I think I've been keeping up with this thread.

Did you just get the .500? Are you already loading that many different slugs for it? or are those store bought?

Big Z 08-03-2006 02:16 AM
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As for the safety, the SIG SAUER has a de-cocker. During transition to "autoloaders" years ago my partner had a Smith & Wesson. During the problem/clearing class i kept messing him up by putting it on "safe". It took to long to find the problem and correct it. In my business I do not have the time. I went with SIG SAUER's. Slightly heavy first pull, to make sure you want to, and a short second or more. If no more threat, then just drop the hammer with the de-cocker and the SIG SAUER is ready to go again if something pops up.
Do not forget night sights!!!!!:cool:

I Agree 100%! :D Have the Hi-Cap Sig-Pro 40...It Was also, my first suggestion! (Great Minds And Experience! I guess! lol) Very good Balance All the way around!---A Quality Gun, and shooter!

MarineHawk 08-03-2006 03:30 AM
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My fav (in .40; also has a decocker):

PARAGON 08-03-2006 03:33 AM
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My personal carry is HK P2000sk LEM (no decocker), bobbed hammer. best of both worlds

PARAGON 08-03-2006 03:40 AM
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That and a G22

MarineHawk 08-03-2006 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
My personal carry is HK P2000sk LEM (no decocker), bobbed hammer. best of both worlds

I've heard great things about them, but have never shot one. How do you like the LEM trigger? The P2000 is also intriguing to me.

Big Z 08-03-2006 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
I think I've been keeping up with this thread.

Did you just get the .500? Are you already loading that many different slugs for it? or are those store bought?


I'll Never Tell! :D ......Maybe!

Collecting some Brass, I can start Reloading in seconds, and Yes \, these are all store bought...Might like a couple of um! The Platinum Tip Hollow Points, (BLACK TALLONS!) Will most likely be my--Have A Nice Day Loads! :)

MarineHawk 08-03-2006 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
That and a G22

Interesting. We both like Glock and H&K the best, but you have the little HK and the big Glock, while I have the little Glock (27) and the big HK (USP).

Big Z 08-03-2006 04:00 AM
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Kill-Da-Wabbit!---Hunting Rounds!

PARAGON 08-03-2006 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
I've heard great things about them, but have never shot one. How do you like the LEM trigger? The P2000 is also intriguing to me.
I really liked the LEM as soon as I picked it up.

It's got a little travel on the first pull like a Glock, but I'm comfortable with that for a carry weapon. The pull is smooth and precise though as compared to the Glock and the reset is very very short so the second can almost be before it's finished with recoil.

I like it because it has the hammer feel but no fumbling with a safety and/or decocker plus if you snap on the the round you can pull the trigger again to hopefully fire the round before having to do a clearance drill.

PARAGON 08-03-2006 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Interesting. We both like Glock and H&K the best, but you have the little HK and the big Glock, while I have the little Glock (27) and the big HK (USP).
Yeah, I never liked firing the 27. For me it was the typical small pocket gun that was hard to handle for 100 rounds.

The sk is pretty easy to shoot although I don't think it has quite as small a footprint as the 27.

I think my next handgun purchase will probably be a the regular P2000 also with the LEM. You can get one with the decocker if you want, I just like the LEM setup.

EDIT: next handgun purchase AFTER the springfield XD in .45

Andy C 08-03-2006 03:08 PM
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I do like 357 - I took this shot yesterday - quite cool.:)

Andy C 08-03-2006 03:16 PM
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Spooky - I just noticed that my 357th post on this forum was a pic that I took of a 357 - whooooooooo.:eek:

PARAGON 08-03-2006 03:35 PM
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Spooky - I just noticed that my 357th post on this forum was a pic that I took of a 357 - whooooooooo.:eek:
that's a cool pic...... just wonder what your 666th post will be?:o

ETD 08-03-2006 06:18 PM
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Hey, thanks for the lessons y'all. Didn't mean to dumbdown the thread from eldave's original "what's best for shooting bears" thread. A couple of years ago, I did research handguns a bit. Shot ~ 3 Glocks, 1 HK, 1 Sigsauer all around 9mm maybe 30 rounds each. To my surprise, I did think that there were differences among them and that I liked the Sigsauer the most. But then I got into Upland hunting and sporting clays so never got back into stationary target shooting again. Maybe, now, I'll look back into it. (After I master golf and fly-fishing :D .)

Big Z 08-03-2006 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ETD
Hey, thanks for the lessons y'all. Didn't mean to dumbdown the thread from eldave's original "what's best for shooting bears" thread. A couple of years ago, I did research handguns a bit. Shot ~ 3 Glocks, 1 HK, 1 Sigsauer all around 9mm maybe 30 rounds each. To my surprise, I did think that there were differences among them and that I liked the Sigsauer the most. But then I got into Upland hunting and sporting clays so never got back into stationary target shooting again. Maybe, now, I'll look back into it. (After I master golf and fly-fishing :D .)

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Maybe, now, I'll look back into it. (After I master golf and fly-fishing :D
Very Easy To Master, clearing throat, cough...Fly fishing!.....A couple of Dupont Spinners attached to that fly...And Grab a Net! Done! Mastered!

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Hey, thanks for the lessons y'all. Didn't mean to dumbdown the thread from eldave's original "what's best for shooting bears" thread. A couple of years ago, I did research handguns a bit. Shot ~ 3 Glocks, 1 HK, 1 Sigsauer all around 9mm maybe 30 rounds each. To my surprise, I did think that there were differences among them and that I liked the Sigsauer the most.

There's was NO Dumbing down in the thread! It's ALL .....Good!:D Have A Little FUN, Learn A Little Bit, Get Down Tonite!.............You are veeerrryyy sleepy.... your eyelids are soooo very heavy.... You will make the drive!!! When I count to 3 you will feel refreshed and ready to plan your trip---To SportsMan WareHouse!......T/C Contender......38spl......12Ga Barrels...........

1..... 2..... 3

Ever try the Star Shoot?

I Kinda Like Fishin Also!......For BUBBA! :D

f5fstop 08-03-2006 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ETD
Hey, thanks for the lessons y'all. Didn't mean to dumbdown the thread from eldave's original "what's best for shooting bears" thread. A couple of years ago, I did research handguns a bit. Shot ~ 3 Glocks, 1 HK, 1 Sigsauer all around 9mm maybe 30 rounds each. To my surprise, I did think that there were differences among them and that I liked the Sigsauer the most. But then I got into Upland hunting and sporting clays so never got back into stationary target shooting again. Maybe, now, I'll look back into it. (After I master golf and fly-fishing :D .)

I Love SIGs, and H&Ks...

OLD PHOTO MISSING ANOTHER SIG...

Big Z 08-05-2006 07:55 PM
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Trent! :D 1.........2..............3! :cool:......Sorry Rox!.......Kinda!..LOL


As This thread passes into oblivion!.....I leave YOU THIS!.....

MOST IMPORTANT RULE :D :cool: :eek:

ROX 08-05-2006 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Z
Trent! 1.........2..............3! :cool:......Sorry Rox!.......Kinda!..LOL


As This thread passes into oblivion!.....I leave YOU THIS!.....

MOST IMPORTANT RULE :D :eek:
That wasn't necessary...:mad: ;)

f5fstop 08-06-2006 02:32 PM
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h2co-pilot 08-06-2006 02:46 PM
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Gun Apes!:p

(that was really weird Andy.:D )

GeorgeSSSS 08-06-2006 04:38 PM
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Reminds me of a T-shirt I saw a few years ago and wish that I'd bought:

HK
When Negotiations
Break Down

A lot of truth there, I think.

George SSSS

ETD 08-07-2006 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by f5fstop
I Love SIGs, and H&Ks...

OLD PHOTO MISSING ANOTHER SIG...

I am GREEN with envy.

Must... GET... HK's... and... SIG's. Must... GET... HK's... and...SIG's.

But, they're not made in USA:( . (They're not made in CHINA now, are they?:mad: :mad: :) )

PARAGON 08-07-2006 07:35 PM
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lifted this from another site. This was posted on someone's Myspace account in a CCW group.
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Hello All.

I am new to this group; however I am not new to carrying. I have been carrying for awhile now. I have lived my entire life by the traditional Republican values (yes I said I am a Republican and damn proud of it!), the Boy Scout Motto of Be Prepared, and the motto Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I carry six guns. All of them are Glocks in .40 S&@ caliber with Night Sights and are bone stock except for some wolf springs. I carry 2 Glock 22s on my right and left hips in C-Tacs, 2 Glock 23s in my Alessi Bodyguard shoulder holster, 1 Glock 27 on my left ankle, and another Glock 27 in my right hand pocket. I also carry some folding knives. I carry 2 Chris Reeves folding knives, both of them are Sebenzas. I carry the small one in the left hand pocket of my 5.11 Tactical pants. I carry the larger one in the mag pocket on the right hand side with a Glock 22 magazine. I carry another 4 Glock 22 magazines behind the guns on my hips. I carry an extra magazine on a mag pouch on my right hip. I also carry a surefire E2E flashlight clipped onto my left hand pocket. You never know when you will need a light. I am going to be carrying 2 pairs of hand cuffs when I decide on a decent manufacturer and holster (suggestions are wanted). For my commo gear (I wasnt in the military but I adopted some of it into my everyday lingo through many CCW courses) I use a Nextel I560 phone in black (dont want to get the yellow one and give my reflection away in case some BG seems me in an alley) and I have a Pager with Skytel service. I also have a Zippo lighter in case I need to make a torch or something if stuck in a Hurricane Katrina situation. I also carry some OC spray (Fox labs if youre wondering)

I just wanted to share some of my experiences. I have been carrying a long time. I remember when I got my first permit. I felt ecstatic. It was an awesome responsibility I was ready to deal with. Not to mention I had been trained for it. I took an intensive CCW class that was several hours in length and have taken a few classes since then. I was like a Police Officer on his first shift. I was so happy that I had been granted the right to carry because there needs to be many more CCWers to help bring crime rates down. It is a heavy burden that we as Sheepdogs have to bear to protect the sheeple.

On my first day CCWing I went on patrol and walked around the entire neighborhood watching things with my hyper sense of awareness. Nobody but other CCWers understands what I am talking about. I walked through the neighborhood and I saw the illegal immigrants sitting on the stoop watching me with a keen eye. I suspect that they were intimidated by my presence (I am 61 and 325 lbs) with a 50 inch waist. I dont understand Spanish but they must have been talking about me.

As a side note, what does Gordo mean?

I continued walking and I saw some gangbangers. There were 4 urban youth (read black kids playing basketball with jerseys listening to crap music err I mean rap music) who were probably carrying illegally. They were talking on someones porch. They looked at me and started talking amongst themselves. One of them called me biggie (some sort of respect thing?) and I kept walking.

As I got further into town I realized I needed to recharge my batteries with some food. I got myself a burrito at the local store. It was being worked by illegals (they are everywhere arent they?) but they make some damn good burritos and nachos. I got a huge super burrito (the kind that are football size) and some nachos with extra cheese and jalapenos. A large soda would wash that down nicely. I brought my food to the table and then got up to fill my soda (it was a self serve soda fountain) when some illegal immigrant gangbanger drug dealers walked in. One of them looked at me and I knew I was in for some trouble. They were probably packing guns. Gangbangers always pack lorcins and hi-points and not quality tactical gear. I made eye contact to let them know that I am hyper aware and that they will not be getting past me should something go down. Those stupid illegal immigrant gangbangers would regret messing with me.

Sure enough they called me a racist name. (Only white people can be racist, stupid racist illegal loving liberals!). I ignored it because I never start trouble when I am CCWing. I just waited in line for the soda machine when one of them pushed me. He wasnt strong enough to push my 345 lb frame. I told him not to touch me and took a defensive posture. I read about it on some tactical forums. Its one Navy SEALs use when going into close quarters combat. (I am not a SEAL or a veteran but I train just as hard with my CCW.) My CCW instructor approved of it and I told the illegal scumbag gangbanger that I would use force to defend myself and my family (who were not there, they dont patrol the neighborhood with me) if he should continue his attack.

They laughed and pushed me again. I pushed back. I threw my weight into it and pushed him into some tables. His other stupid Mexican illegal immigrant friend started saying something in Spanish and he put his hand into his pocket. I reached for the Glock 22 on my right hip and drew. The illegal immigrant took his hand out of his pocket and I told him to get down on the ground. Then I told his buddies to do the same thing. I then proceeded to handcuff the one who pushed me and the bigger of the other two. I then put on some Hatch Cooltac gloves and searched them. All of the employees in the store and the customers started clapping and cheering for me.

Bu not one to neglect my civic duty I had to keep a close eye and my Glock on the other one until my backup arrived. The responding officers came in with their guns drawn and ready to do some wet work. I laughed as once they saw me they put their guns away and I holstered mine. They proceeded to laugh once they saw I had the situation under complete control. They asked my advice on guns and we talked. I told them how I considered law enforcement at one point but I felt the job wasnt my forte. They didnt cuff me or anything and just took a statement. One of them even offered to buy me lunch and I got the number of one of the female officers who responded to the man with a gun call. When will the liberal anti-gunners learn that people like me are able to handle ourselves and act as sheepdogs for them (the sheeple)? Anyway we are going to the range and I am going to show her how to shoot. She also expressed getting her CCW permit. Luckily I have a lot of training and know a lot of people so she will probably taking a class where she will learn to think tactically.

After about 10 minutes of questioning from the cops I was ready to hit the streets again. I continued to walk down the street and check the neighborhood out. I decided that I should probably check the local Dunkin Donuts / Baskin Robbins out. I wanted to stop and rest my tired feet but as a civic minded CCWer I would not shirk my god given responsibilities to protect the neighborhood. I went in and got myself an extra large Peanut Butter and Chocolate malt. As I waited for the ******* to make my malt I noticed one of the officers I saw at the burrito shop. He nodded at me and I sat down at the table next to him. He told me what a good job I did and how much he loved responsible CCWers. I told him that it was just the training from my CCW classes. The whole You default to your level of training thing. He was very impressed and said I would make a fine tac-officer (SWAT for all you non-LEO types). Then he offered to pay for my malt as the ******* guy who worked there called out my order.

That was just one of my many forays into the streets. What made it unique was that it was my first day CCWing. Since then I have become an old hand when it comes to CCWing. I just wanted to share what my first day was like.

Big Z 08-07-2006 10:51 PM
Re: Buying new pistol, need advice
 
Guess He Likes Throwing His WEIGHT Around! :eek: ........Dr. must have told him to start walking.......And to Include Ankle & Torso Weights! :cool: ..........Much!.....MUCH BETTER!............. than SOUP CANS! :) ...........And Nothing Wrong With Losing a few.........EXTRA OUNCES! :eek: ..............If Push Comes To..................Self Defense! :mad:

Klaus 08-07-2006 11:15 PM
Re: Buying new pistol, need advice
 
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