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DRTYFN

12-17-2004 05:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.

Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court?

Wheelin

12-17-2004 05:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.

Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All public info.

Arnold McBain
33 Turner Court
Petaluma, California 94952
707-762-8513

Wheelin

12-17-2004 05:47 AM

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:13 AM

Seriously, is that the best you guys can do? Why waste your time with pointless ad hominem attacks that prove nothing but that you don't have a better argument? I think the worst unprovoked comment I made here is "don't flatter yourselves."

Sure, I can give as good as I get (better in most cases), but I'd rather save us all keystrokes and just ignore or only point out the pointless.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sideshow:
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please make a bumper sticker of this for your Hummer. Actually, you don't have to since that's precisely what the Hummer says all on its own.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, Honda's can typically go 300,000 miles. Mine gets 30-35 mpg. Just got it smogged under the toughest standards in the country (California's), which certainly have been tougher than those for SUVs (I think they're finally toughening them from this year, though, finally). But you're right, I can do better and will, once this thing finally calls it quits and I'll buy a Prius or something (natch ;-)

As far as your ideas of foreign economies harming America and American jobs, you might want to look at the facts. America and especially the Japanese economies are so interdependent that we both bleed from the same cut. The last thing America wants is for Japan to start having to call in its loans (i.e,. bonds) to us. If you really want to get into this, post some evidence to the contrary and I'll go to the trouble of presenting mine.

Now, because of the threats voiced here, you can understand why I'd rather stay anonymous. I'm sure a lot of you could easily kick my ass; not sure how that would change any of the facts though.

But suffice to say, I'm well employed (just bought a pretty average house in the California Bay Area for $420,000), certainly pay my taxes. I've got a family and care about them as much as you do yours. Actually, preserving my kids' futures is the main impetus of most of my ranting.

That said, none of it really matters since I'm here to talk facts and don't need to know anymore about you than why you think it's OK to drive a Hummer. Some might try to pick my life apart, but it's pointless. It also doesn't matter since regardless of what we say about ourselves, we can be accused as liars. And I for one don't want to go to the trouble of proving who I am.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:

Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, here's one:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Breaking_ranks.htm

But about the war thing, I'm not going to get into that here since I've already taken it up on my own site.

I think I've responded to most of the rest the other comments here, so I'm going to skip a bit so I can go read to my kids.

Again, ad hominems I'm skipping. War stuff, go to my site to see why I believe it is about oil.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Lump the pickups in there too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you there too, bro.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want to get into god, eh? OK, so first why wouldn't you consider my saying "Forget about god and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life" to be just as offensive as what you said to me? Or are you trying to push god as way to be offensive? Anyway, I'd be happy to get into you with it at my site. (But I won't wait up ;-)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sbmike:
what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, that's not my site.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that it's demonstrably wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, that's not my site. Where did I say I hated anyone? I'm probably equally as struck by the vitriol toward me. But I just take it as proof that I have a better point.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So by doing good, we're excused to do bad?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, but since I'm not judging people, just a behavior, the rest of your life is irrelevant here.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi

Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What in the world does this mean?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by H2Pilot:
I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great, please share. Facts have changed my mind more that once. But I have a few of my own for you on my site.

http://www.hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.

As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right, it's just too bad the huge increase of SUVs on the road makes everyone feel that way. It's an arms race that I resent being forced into. While I certainly never drive my kids in my Accord (no air bags), I do feel OK with them in my late model wife's German car. (25mpg :-)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, I get it, you whois'd my sites. Boy, I didn't see that coming...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please continue... I do enjoy these random mumblings. Kind of haiku-like.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You would think. LOL. Would some one else please clue him in?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****.

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:13 AM

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Yetti:
Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean suffrage as in the right to vote? Or "suffering"? Well, my parents didn't give me a lot, but I did get a fair education. Sorry you missed out…

And why is this a class war thing? Did I ever bring that up? Seriously, you have an issue with the entire middle class? Do the rest of you hold this view?

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:30 AM

Steve R

12-17-2004 06:33 AM

Hi....I'm Troy McLure

You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer"

Steve R

12-17-2004 06:33 AM

Hi....I'm Troy McLure

You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer"

DennisAJC

12-17-2004 06:34 AM

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DennisAJC

12-17-2004 06:34 AM

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Hi....I'm Troy McLure

You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice...! I like that one :-)

Arnold McBain

12-17-2004 06:39 AM

DennisAJC

12-17-2004 06:48 AM

Simpsons was great. I think Family Guy is way funnier now though.

DennisAJC

12-17-2004 06:48 AM

Simpsons was great. I think Family Guy is way funnier now though.

devilsfan

12-17-2004 12:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And exactly who are you to judge? So we should all send you our personal accounts of how we use our vehicles on a mile-by-mile basis in order to obtain your blessing? You have no idea who "needs" an SUV and who doesn't.

I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously:

1. Has room to carry 2 50-lb dogs and an infant on a regular basis. By "carrying" the dogs, they must be able to stretch out and lie down comfortably, and the rear space must NOT contain any gaps in the floor or between the 3rd row fold down seats (if applicable) such as in the Dodge Durango. This could seriously injure a dog. With an infant in the back seat, this means the 2nd row cannot be folded down and any space between the 2nd row seat and the back hatch must have enough room for the dogs to lay down AND stand to turn around if needed. This thereby excludes the BMW X3 and X5, Nissan Murano, and FX35/45 series.

2. Have GOOD off-road capabilities without me putting $$$ into it. I don't want to have to modify a vehicle with so many aftermarket parts that it will void my warranty. By "capabilities," this includes ground clearance, suspension parts, and undercarriage protection. This is a serious hobby for me, and I cannot afford to have 2 vehicles - one for fun and one for work. Whichever vehicle I buy must encompass both. This excludes 80% of the SUVs on the market, every minivan, and every station wagon.

3. Must be reliable. This includes data from R&T, Consumer Reports, and owner statements. This immediately excludes the VW Touareg, Chevy Trailblazer and Jeep Cherokee.

4. Costs $50,000 or less. This excludes the Toyota Landcruiser, Porsche Cayenne and Range Rover.

5. Must fit MY idea of beauty. I am a car collector - they are my form of art. There are many SUVs out there I find attractive. The Land Rover Discovery and LR3 are not on that list.

I'm serious here. Find me a car to replace my H2, because my H2 is the only vehicle that I've found to fit all the criteria.

Stacy

devilsfan

12-17-2004 12:30 PM

Spike

12-17-2004 12:38 PM

originally posted by Arnold McBain,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upper middle class, Ha that is a ****in riot. Do you have any idea how many papers you would have to deliver on your route to be pushed into the upper middle class? Your 88 honda **** box couldn't hold that many papers.

Spike

12-17-2004 12:38 PM

Marcmedic

12-17-2004 12:45 PM

Paper route??? Nah...he's makes deliveries to the sperm bank one mouthful at a time.

Marcmedic

12-17-2004 12:45 PM

Paper route??? Nah...he's makes deliveries to the sperm bank one mouthful at a time.

PARAGON

12-17-2004 01:36 PM

First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.

You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.

Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.

You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you.

Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that?

If you really want to sprout your intellectual wings, why not pick a forum where someone that really gives a **** about the crank you call an opinion and go discuss your discourse there. Better yet, why don't you come up with something a little more original instead of riding on the idea coattails of the kooks that have come before you.

Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers.

You see, you give yourself away left and right. See my last post, I knew your were about to jump in and start typing away. Then you saw my post and decided to wait but just couldn't stand it. You are so full of yourself that you just had to get into it right away. And what was your first comment. Typical debate class bull****. "Is that the best you guys can do." "I can give as good as I get."

So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip.

PARAGON

12-17-2004 01:36 PM

devilsfan

12-17-2004 03:59 PM

And you forget to mention that they don't stay on trails, they run over federally protected wilderness and small creatures on the endangered species list.

Stacy

devilsfan

12-17-2004 03:59 PM

And you forget to mention that they don't stay on trails, they run over federally protected wilderness and small creatures on the endangered species list.

Stacy

LasVegas

12-17-2004 11:52 PM

The prosparity of this country is based on individualizm, capitalizm, and the freedom to do anything you want or can do within the law. The right for me to own and drive a Hummer for any reason is the very same reason you have the opportunity to enjoy your "upper middle class" lifestyle, whatever that may be.

LasVegas

12-17-2004 11:52 PM

HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ

12-18-2004 12:39 AM

I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick

HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ

12-18-2004 12:39 AM

Tex	12-18-2004 12:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HARD CORE

I like that! Hat's off to you!

Next time, throw a Dollar out the window and tell her to go get something to eat.

Tex	12-18-2004 12:46 AM

Arnold McBain

12-18-2004 05:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is one cute pooch.

Arnold McBain

12-18-2004 05:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is one cute pooch.

HUMMERDOGG

12-18-2004 05:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Right, we should all mind our own business.

Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.

But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?

What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

McBain-

You are correct in stating that the supply of oil and gasoline derived from fossil fuels is being depleted, however you really need to start reading the news and recognize that ethanol derived from corn and biodiesel and biogasoline derived from waste vegetable oil, animal and plant byproducts is making a huge push to replace them. So I wouldn't worry too much about replacing our depleting fossil fuels.

With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...

HUMMERDOGG

12-18-2004 05:25 AM

Arnold McBain

12-18-2004 06:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, to cut to the chase, I don't know jack about SUVs. I couldn't tell a Durango from a Dingo.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You win that one, I guess. But my point is that when you add this criterion, the only way to make it work is to change priorites:

1. Is envronmentally friendly: Gets at least 25mpg, and has the same emission rating as current PCs (passenger cars).

Obviously right now there is no such vehicle. So if I were in your situation, I would have to adjust my priorites, and to me the envronmental concerns are higher. And in that case I would just be SOL and asking myself, "why did I get two humongous dogs without thinking about how to transport them?" But your priorities are apparently different.

Maybe, you would like a perfectly comfortable life for yourself first. I would like rather a better world for my and your kids, where they're free of dependence on foreign oil (and the wars over it), free to walk and bike and drive the streets safely without the constant threat of humungous vehicles all around them, and of course free to breath clean air.

I have a feeling you're really not as selfish as all that, but that you didn't factor in your other priorites when you chose your SUV.

But By taking steps like increasing average milage to 25-30 mpg, we could save close to the amount of oil we export from the Persian Gulf.

More info:

http://www.hybridcars.com/oil.html

The reason cars like this don't yet exist is because not enough people are demanding them. Instead, they buy the exact opposite and the car companies will make whatever will sell.

Fortunately, it looks like at least Hummer sales are dropping, a signal that people are catching on. Hybrid SUVs look good too...

Also, lest you think I'm being too harsh by suggesting you sacrifice keeping dogs, I wonder what some of you might think at seeing a wellfare mother of 7 asking for more "handouts".

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