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DRTYFN 02-21-2006 04:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by westhillsat:
Tried the sunroof today, it stops and goes back after bumping it with the palm of my hand.

No lawsuit for me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, how is walc going to pay for his transgender journey?

walc 02-21-2006 11:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by westhillsat:
Tried the sunroof today, it stops and goes back after bumping it with the palm of my hand.

No lawsuit for me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, how is walc going to pay for his transgender journey? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your distribution of child pornography case will keep me busy.

shipbldr 02-21-2006 11:34 AM

I knew Walc would smell blood in the water and show up on this post...


profish00 02-21-2006 02:03 PM

MINE WORKS

DRTYFN 02-21-2006 02:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by walc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by westhillsat:
Tried the sunroof today, it stops and goes back after bumping it with the palm of my hand.

No lawsuit for me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, how is walc going to pay for his transgender journey? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your distribution of child pornography case will keep me busy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your daughter is 19, so she's legal.

walc 02-21-2006 02:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by walc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by westhillsat:
Tried the sunroof today, it stops and goes back after bumping it with the palm of my hand.

No lawsuit for me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, how is walc going to pay for his transgender journey? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your distribution of child pornography case will keep me busy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your daughter is 19, so she's legal. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good comeback.

Webb70 02-21-2006 06:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by profish00:
MINE WORKS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

Steve - SanJose 02-21-2006 07:00 PM

I need to find somebody to try the human sacrifice/sunroof test with.

S.

1COOLH3 02-22-2006 01:24 PM

I tried mine several times today and it did work by lightly pushing back on the glass with my fingers. HOWEVER- I stuck a pair of gloves in between the glass and frame and then closed the sunroof and it closed all the way- if that were fingers they would have been crushed at the least.

I also looked up the sunroof description and operation in the GM Dealer Service Manual and there is no mention of the anti-pinch feature:

Sunroof Description and OperationThe power sunroof is controlled by the sunroof switch through the open and close motor control circuits. Ignition voltage is supplied to the sunroof switch through the retained accessory power (RAP) relay and the sunroof 20A fuse in the underhood BEC. While the sunroof switch is in an inactive state both switch contacts are closed to the sunroof switch ground circuit. When an open or close button is pressed on the sunroof switch, its switch contact is closed to the voltage supply circuit. The motor is bi-directional and the direction of motor rotation is determined by which of the motor control circuits is switched to positive voltage while the other remains grounded.

PackerFever 02-22-2006 06:25 PM

I made the mistake of watching that Cat video and have been kind of disturbed since...more so than usual. I will not make the mistake of letting Mrs Fever see it though. I guess curiosity killed the cat.

f5fstop 02-22-2006 08:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 1COOLH3:
I tried mine several times today and it did work by lightly pushing back on the glass with my fingers. HOWEVER- I stuck a pair of gloves in between the glass and frame and then closed the sunroof and it closed all the way- if that were fingers they would have been crushed at the least.

I also looked up the sunroof description and operation in the GM Dealer Service Manual and there is no mention of the anti-pinch feature:

Sunroof Description and OperationThe power sunroof is controlled by the sunroof switch through the open and close motor control circuits. Ignition voltage is supplied to the sunroof switch through the retained accessory power (RAP) relay and the sunroof 20A fuse in the underhood BEC. While the sunroof switch is in an inactive state both switch contacts are closed to the sunroof switch ground circuit. When an open or close button is pressed on the sunroof switch, its switch contact is closed to the voltage supply circuit. The motor is bi-directional and the direction of motor rotation is determined by which of the motor control circuits is switched to positive voltage while the other remains grounded. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the owner's manual:
Anti-Pinch Feature
If an object is in the path of the sunroof when it is closing, the anti-pinch feature will detect the object and stop the sunroof from closing at the point of the obstruction. The sunroof will then return to the full-open
or vent position, and the air deflector will raise.


I would also like to point out that a pair of gloves will not offer the resistance required to stop the sunroof and reverse it. A pencil will stop it, as well as fingers.

How it works (not in the service manual), but I will assume it operates similar to any Valeo or Wabasto sunroof with the anti-pinch feature. There is an internal quick blow circuit breaker built into the motor. A set resistance to the sunroof glass causes the breaker to break the circuit, stopping the sunroof movement. The module senses the break in the circuit, and that it is not fully closed or open, and reverses direction.

I will say it will pinch, but it certainly did not break my fingers or even leave a mark that lasted more than 30 seconds.

If some are not operating corrrectly, I would guess the motor module has to be replaced.

lotus4s 02-23-2006 08:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Webb70:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by profish00:
MINE WORKS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


X 2....

Klint 02-24-2006 01:52 AM

Sh** i think the thing should cut off your finger if you have it in it... If you're dumb enough to stick your finger in it and close it then you don't need that finger

walc 02-24-2006 11:38 AM

Good point, Klint.
That is the major weakness in our class action suit.

Bill1065 02-24-2006 01:58 PM

I tried mine twice. I tapped it with my wrist about midway to closing and it reversed. I then tapped it about 3 to 5 inches to closing with the wrist; it did reverse. The second time scared me; I didn't want my hand to end up like the cat head in the commercial.

CO Hummer 02-24-2006 03:11 PM

This thread reminds me of the time I tested my new pistol's saftey. I flipped it on and tried as hard as I could to pull the trigger while I held it against my temple.

H3less 02-24-2006 03:29 PM

I hate when that happens!

walc 02-24-2006 03:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
This thread reminds me of the time I tested my new pistol's saftey. I flipped it on and tried as hard as I could to pull the trigger while I held it against my temple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO

f5fstop 02-24-2006 07:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
This thread reminds me of the time I tested my new pistol's saftey. I flipped it on and tried as hard as I could to pull the trigger while I held it against my temple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Evidently, the safety worked....

HummerNewbie 02-24-2006 07:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
This thread reminds me of the time I tested my new pistol's saftey. I flipped it on and tried as hard as I could to pull the trigger while I held it against my temple. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Evidently, the safety worked.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or you are a really...REALLY bad shot!


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