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Hybrids Consume More Energy in Lifetime Than Chevrolet's Tahoe SUV
BANDON, Ore., March 31 /PRNewswire/ -- As Americans become increasingly interested in fuel economy and global warming, they are beginning to make choices about the vehicles they drive based on fuel economy and to a lesser degree emissions. But many of those choices aren't actually the best in terms of vehicle lifetime energy usage and the cost to society over the full lifetime of a car or truck. CNW Marketing Research Inc. spent two years collecting data on the energy necessary to plan, build, sell, drive and dispose of a vehicle from initial concept to scrappage. This includes such minutia as plant to dealer fuel costs, employee driving distances, electricity usage per pound of material used in each vehicle and literally hundreds of other variables. To put the data into understandable terms for consumers, it was translated into a "dollars per lifetime mile" figure. That is, the Energy Cost per mile driven. The most Energy Expensive vehicle sold in the U.S. in calendar year 2005: Maybach at $11.58 per mile. The least expensive: Scion xB at $0.48 cents. While neither of those figures is surprising, it is interesting that driving a hybrid vehicle costs more in terms of overall energy consumed than comparable non-hybrid vehicles. For example, the Honda Accord Hybrid has an Energy Cost per Mile of $3.29 while the conventional Honda Accord is $2.18. Put simply, over the "Dust to Dust" lifetime of the Accord Hybrid, it will require about 50 percent more energy than the non-hybrid version. One of the reasons hybrids cost more than non-hybrids is the manufacture, replacement and disposal of such items as batteries, electric motors (in addition to the conventional engine), lighter weight materials and complexity of the power package. And while many consumers and environmentalists have targeted sport utility vehicles because of their lower fuel economy and/or perceived inefficiency as a means of transportation, the energy cost per mile shows at least some of that disdain is misplaced. For example, while the industry average of all vehicles sold in the U.S. in 2005 was $2.28 cents per mile, the Hummer H3 (among most SUVs) was only $1.949 cents per mile. That figure is also lower than all currently offered hybrids and Honda Civic at $2.42 per mile. "If a consumer is concerned about fuel economy because of family budgets or depleting oil supplies, it is perfectly logical to consider buying high- fuel-economy vehicles," says Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research, Inc. "But if the concern is the broader issues such as environmental impact of energy usage, some high-mileage vehicles actually cost society more than conventional or even larger models over their lifetime. "We believe this kind of data is important in a consumer's selection of transportation," says Spinella. "Basing purchase decisions solely on fuel economy or vehicle size does not get to the heart of the energy usage issue." The goal of overall worldwide energy conservation and the cost to society in general -- not just the auto buyer -- can often be better addressed by being aware of a car or truck's "dust to dust" energy requirements, he said. This study is not the end of the energy-usage discussion. "We hope to see a dialog begin that puts educated and aware consumers into energy policy decisions," Spinella said. "We undertook this research to see if perceptions (about energy efficiency) were true in the real world." Source: CNW Marketing Research, Inc. |
Uhhh....Paragon.....
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this is interesting, I'm going to print that out and give it to all the tree huggers that rip into me at the gas stations.
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I see a new bumper sticker on the horizon.
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Outstanding information. A Hummer is better for the environment than a Honda Hybrid.
Also: It takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than the ethanol gives off when it is used. Ethanol is a net energy loser. The farm lobby convinced the knot-headed congress to force people to use ethanol. If they would have left it to free market forces, ethanol would never exist. |
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Figures. Stupid little cars.
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Nice! Some more ammo for when the tree huggers try to debate me! It makes sense.
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And the H2 fell where?
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Very interesting article. Here's my take: The study's authors are right in the frame of the way they are measuring cost. However, it's important to note that the hybrids cost more over a life-time of energy usage because they are relatively new technology. The traditional internal combustion engine, as an established technology, is much cheaper to manufacture, market and dispose of. As hybrid technologies evolve, the cost will come down, as will the energy required to build them.
More to the point, for the last two years, and for the first time ever, oil and gas exploration companies have found less new reserves then the amount they refined and sold. The oil is running out. It may take a 100 years, but those last 50 will be ugly unless we invest in new technologies now and make them cheaper. But, I still love my HUMMER |
YES, I DID IT! I found the numbers breakdown.
The H2 comes in at $3.027 per mile. That's just a bit more than the Honda Insight. Otherwise, it's got all the Hybrids beaten. The H3 is way down on the list, well below the industry average. The H1 comes in at $3.505 per mile. Unfortunately, all Hybrids are below that number. Ok, well, I should say all of the cheap hybrids. I don't see they new Lexus things on here. Full List Source: CNW Marketing Research, Inc. Dust to Dust Model E Cost Per Mile Maybach $11.582 Phaeton $11.213 Rolls-Royce $10.660 Bentley $10.555 allroad quattro $5.595 A8 $4.964 A6 $4.963 LS 430 $4.734 Carrera GT $4.528 NSX $4.453 GS 430 $4.416 Q45 $4.243 Cayenne $4.146 Touareg $4.134 Lamborghini $4.009 S-Type $3.989 SLK class $3.982 Ferrari $3.962 M45 $3.876 GS 300 $3.861 GT $3.851 Range Rover $3.775 G class $3.711 Sequoia $3.672 S class $3.669 CLS class $3.668 H1 $3.505 CLK class $3.492 DTS $3.471 Armada $3.450 SC 430 $3.407 DeVille $3.385 XC90 $3.325 E class $3.313 RX330 $3.306 Seville $3.305 Excursion $3.304 80 series $3.301 Accord Hybrid $3.295 XLR $3.276 Prius $3.249 Civic Hybrid $3.238 LX 470 $3.229 Boxster $3.224 Escalade ESV $3.197 Land Cruiser $3.184 Escape Hybrid $3.178 STS $3.175 Corvette $3.158 5 Series $3.140 Suburban $3.134 Yukon XL $3.132 Expedition $3.058 XK $3.058 Maserati $3.055 FX35/45 $3.029 Aston Martin $3.028 H2 $3.027 R class $2.960 Insight $2.939 Tahoe $2.937 50 series $2.937 Yukon $2.936 7 Series $2.936 MDX $2.845 911 Carrera 4 $2.830 XJ $2.785 SRX $2.782 Pacifica $2.780 TT $2.768 RL $2.762 Town Car $2.756 Escalade $2.753 911 Carrera $2.738 Z8 $2.733 M3 $2.727 Golf/GTI $2.697 Savana/G Van $2.692 Titan $2.691 Econoline/Club Wagon $2.686 GX 470 $2.686 SL Coupe/Roadster $2.686 Navigator $2.617 L series $2.534 CL class $2.533 Discovery $2.525 Murano $2.510 Tundra $2.509 Highlander $2.490 LR3 $2.489 Ram pickup $2.484 Z4 $2.483 QX4 $2.483 Express/G Van $2.482 70 series $2.482 RX8 $2.482 M class $2.482 Freestyle/Windstar $2.481 Silverado $2.450 Sierra $2.450 SSR $2.442 Range Rover Sport $2.420 Sprinter Van $2.420 Civic $2.420 HHR $2.397 Rendezvous $2.392 F Series $2.392 X5 $2.368 Aviator $2.347 G6 $2.342 Mountaineer $2.336 EuroVan/T4 $2.294 Industry Straight Average $2.281 Classic $2.269 60 series $2.269 QX56 $2.269 Ram Van $2.267 6 Series $2.267 Lotus $2.267 Odyssey $2.267 Outlander $2.266 X3 $2.264 Montego $2.264 LaCrosse $2.245 B9 Tribeca $2.240 Montana SV6 $2.239 Impreza $2.225 Grand Am $2.224 Pathfinder $2.220 Town & Country $2.218 Tucson $2.215 Tribute $2.212 Terraza $2.212 Fusion $2.202 Milan $2.202 Pilot $2.197 Zephyr $2.196 Envoy $2.196 Econoline van $2.195 4Runner $2.193 350Z $2.193 Caravan/Grand Caravan $2.181 Sienna $2.180 Accord $2.180 Rainier $2.180 Montero $2.177 Viper $2.176 9-7X $2.169 Stratus $2.165 Venture $2.144 Relay $2.143 Montana $2.142 Montero Sport $2.123 TL $2.122 Quest $2.118 Uplander $2.117 A3 $2.096 Eclipse Spyder $2.079 Freestar $2.069 Monterey $2.069 Passat $2.052 Escalade EXT $2.048 Jetta wagon $2.046 CL $2.022 Xterra $2.022 Eclipse $2.021 Santa Fe $2.019 Magnum $2.019 Five Hundred $2.018 LS $2.017 Jetta $2.016 GTO $1.995 Optima $1.994 Sedona $1.994 Sonata $1.980 Avalanche $1.978 Torrent $1.974 Endeavor $1.974 Charger $1.974 Celica $1.969 Avalon $1.967 Maxima $1.966 300/300M $1.961 Camry $1.954 MPV $1.953 Escape $1.950 H3 $1.949 Mariner $1.948 RAV4 $1.948 Mark LT $1.944 Diamante $1.932 Malibu $1.919 Baja $1.909 Trooper $1.909 X-Type $1.908 Verona $1.908 Mini Cooper S $1.908 RSX $1.908 40 series $1.897 Solstice $1.880 ES 330 $1.852 I30/I35 $1.851 Legacy $1.849 Vue $1.847 IS 300 $1.833 Beetle $1.828 Forester $1.825 Equinox $1.821 Ridgeline $1.807 Element $1.807 Millenia $1.802 Lucerne $1.802 Mazda6 $1.796 Mini Cooper $1.795 Bonneville $1.782 G35 $1.777 A4/S4 $1.774 Intrepid $1.772 Mustang $1.758 Axiom $1.735 TSX $1.725 Safari $1.725 Astro $1.725 C class $1.699 MR2 Spyder $1.683 CTS $1.680 Mazda5 $1.679 Freelander $1.674 9-3 $1.636 330 $1.616 PT Cruiser $1.612 Park Avenue $1.556 9-2 $1.553 Aztek $1.542 Rodeo $1.542 Concorde $1.531 Ascender $1.531 Commander $1.531 325 $1.531 9-5 $1.529 Monte Carlo $1.506 Grand Cherokee $1.495 CR-V $1.478 XL-7 $1.477 Thunderbird $1.477 MX-5 Miata $1.471 Galant $1.465 Grand Prix $1.465 Century $1.455 S2000 $1.455 Sable $1.447 Taurus $1.446 Tiburon $1.439 Durango $1.429 Grand Marquis $1.418 Crown Victoria $1.417 Grand Vitara $1.414 Explorer $1.404 626 $1.397 Altima $1.381 LeSabre $1.372 TrailBlazer $1.363 Impala $1.357 Crossfire $1.323 Sorento $1.320 Blazer $1.295 Firebird $1.287 Camaro $1.286 XG350 $1.285 Sebring $1.283 Canyon $1.283 Sonoma $1.283 Amanti $1.263 Vitara $1.257 Rodeo Sport $1.225 Sportage $1.168 Regal $1.167 Frontier $1.160 Tacoma $1.147 Colorado $1.125 Raider $1.124 Liberty $1.099 B-Series $1.088 Dakota $1.014 Cobalt $1.013 Matrix ** $1.011 Vibe $1.011 Mazda3 $0.980 Ranger $0.968 Rio $0.964 Sentra $0.962 Aerio $0.888 Lancer $0.872 Spectra $0.864 Accent $0.852 tC $0.845 Forenza $0.840 Focus $0.803 S10 $0.779 Protégé $0.772 Aveo $0.765 Sunfire $0.758 Cavalier $0.757 xA $0.736 Corolla $0.732 Neon $0.728 Elantra $0.723 Ion $0.709 Echo $0.703 Tracker $0.694 Wrangler $0.604 Escort $0.568 xB $0.478 |
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good info aubs!
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GREAT list!!!111
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sweet!
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"The oil is running out. It may take a 100 years, but those last 50 will be ugly unless we invest in new technologies now and make them cheaper."
HaHAHA,Wait a minute! 80% of the worlds oil is in Alaska and the Gulf! You have been trained by the media to think there is a oil shortage and there is global warming. Go back and research the papers and reports that were done in the mid to late 70s. Due to the cold weather it was said we were headed to a possible ice age. It was reported that the ice caps were getting bigger. Today they just reported on the news that the earths climate changes were now thought to be because of the sun and the changes it goes through. No matter how you see it the earth will continue to go through temperature changes no matter WHAT humans do. |
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I just got out of a Listing Appointment, (I sell Homes), with a Prius owner who writes for many envronmental magazines and is moving to Alaska.
Everything was going well, I usually get the listing once I acutally have a face to face meeting. About half way through the meeting the homeowner looked outside and noticed that my H3 was parked next to his Prius....I am pretty sure that killed all the good Karma I had going in the meeting. Even after I showed him how much money he would be saving going with my company I believe he thought he would be selling his soul if he were to list with anyone who drove a Hummer. I kept it light hearted and told him how we get reasonable MPG compared to most SUV's and how we, my family, are not earth rapers.....his comment "But it is still a Hummer." Trying to remain friendly and jovial I mentioned how his other vehicle, a very old pickumup truck, was not doing anyone any favors...he said when he bought the new vehicle he did it to help save the earth and how since he is a researcher there is no doubt that Humans are the cause of Global Warming. It was clear to both of us that we come from different worlds and I don't think he is going to work with me. So as he followed me out to my car and looked inside it...maybe I should have let him show me his Prius but I am not interested...mainly becaue of size, ability, and safety, I commented on the article quoted in this thread. About how the cost of Technology and Disposal actually makes the Prius a higher cost per mile vehicle than mine....he didn't belive me but decided to write it off as being worth it in order to do his part to save the earth. I will follow up with him and if I don't get the Listing I will probably send him the stats and take comfort in knowing that he is paying more per mile, more to list his home with someone else, and is driving a smaller, less safe, vehicle and if he wants to go to his special areas to observe the earth and the human destruction we are causing he will have to drive his old and tired pickumup truck to get there....what an irony. I did rev the engine a little more as I was leaving his neighborhood and giggled while I did it. ;) |
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Does anyone have any recent and reputable links on this subject? I have a battle to fight with a co-worker.
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I really don't get it all :twak:
Example: How can a $65k Hummer H2 be about the same money factor compared to a $30k Toyota Prius assuming they both last 200k miles (dust-to-dust)? Can somebody elaborate please. In fact here's a question from one of my co-workers already. He owns an Infiniti FX-45: "I think there is a big flaw in the analysis of this data. I looked at a few Nissan products with the same power trains. The, FX35/45 $3.029 most FX?s are 3.5 L but some are 4.5 L , Murano $2.510 has the 3.5 L V-6, 350Z $2.193 has the 3.5 L V-6 G35 $1.777 has the 3.5 L V-6 Some Altimas have 3.5 L V-6s and others have 2.5L 4 cyl Altima $1.381 There is some fuel economy differences, but not a whole lot. I would like a table so we could see how much of this energy cost is fuel, batteries, waste disposal, and materials on each car. The fuel costs have to be way out of line. At $3.00 per gallon and 15 mpg, I get $0.20 per mile. Top cost on a $45,000 car over 150,000 miles is $0.30 for car plus $0.20 for fuel which is $0.50 per mile. I suppose we could add a little for oil changes, tires, and parts over the car lifetime, but insurance and the like are not energy costs. Every energy cost per mile far exceeds my quick and dirty maximum cost analysis. I looked at total dollars spent that could be attributed to energy costs, so either I am missing something, this study is seriously flawed or is propaganda. There are a lot of flat earth society type reports, so it is hard to separate the truth from fiction." |
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OK just my thoughts. I think people on welfare are the cause of global warming. I believe that since they cannot afford a car and have to take those smog spewing city buses back and forth everywhere that they are the direct cause of it. And with SO many welfare recipients taking the buses they are overloading the system and causing more buses to be put on the streets even spewing more pollution and smog into the air.
SO they should leave us Hummer owners alone and make these bus taking welfare people get jobs and stop taking the black smoke pouring public transportion system. Then they to could buy Hummers and lower my tax load, so that I could contribute more money to alternative fuel exploration. |
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First, quoting and referencing yourself to prove your own point is "wild and crazy"... Try referencing a valid source of some kind to back up your assertions, otherwise it's all just hot air... Second, your rebuttal completely misses the mark as to what the report is showing: The report calculates a TOTAL COST per driven mile of a vehicle. That is, the total cost to manufacture, operate, and dispose of the vehicle, amortized over the total life miles of the vehicle as reported by the manufacturer; they are not saying the vehicle costs $.492 per mile to OPERATE (the numbers you're reporting). When you figure in the costs to manufacture the vehicle, and the costs to destroy the vehicle at the end of it's life, the number they came up with is $.492. As such, the miles driven per year is completely irrelevant, and you can't come up with a yearly cost of the vehicle, since that would be forcing the numbers into something they don't fit. They are saying that if you built this vehicle yourself, from scratch (but using the manufacturers facilites and costs), drove this vehicle for it's entire lifetime miles, then had to destroy the vehicle yourself (back to scratch?). The cost to you would figure out to $.492 per mile. Now, I'm not saying their figures are correct, I'm explaining what their figures show. |
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