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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/

Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad
Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

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yea the fat ass pill pop'n pud puller should shut his head.

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What can you say?:o It's a shame (for republicans) that he did that so close to the election. I haven't seen the commercial, anyone?

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I found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

Now, it could be debated that he certainly was able to control movements for longer than that while taping "Boston Legal" etc. and that he intensionally let go or exaggerated for effect- which was the intention anyway. But it is a sad disease no matter or doubt.

Fawking Celebs anyway.:rolleyes:

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No, you need to have listened to his show to understand the context of the statement. While I find Rush to be quite full of himself most of the time and usually listen to him only once in a while, what he said is dead on. Michael J. Fox is being used by the lieberals on this one. The misinformation being knowingly & willfully spewed by the Democrats is unbelievable. In a nutshell, the type of embryonic stem cell therapy that Michael J. is crying about is well known to cause tumors downstream of the injection point and is proven to be ineffective. There is a much more effective and promising therapy that uses adult basal cells, but the f*cking lieberals NEVER say a god damn word about that - they continually piss & moan about how President Bush won't fund the embryonic stem cell research. Well, guess what? There's no private funding for it either. Know why? Because it doesn't work and no matter how much money is thrown at it won't change that. So in closing, Michael J. Fox is being used like a puppet in an attempt to cast president Bush in a bad light on this. I don't see either of the c*nts, Nancy Pelosi or Hillary, diverting any funds to this.:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

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The issue is quite a bit more complicated than that...your info is also a little slanted...MJF and others are looking to remove the ban on government funding of embryonic stem cell research. You are giving one argument that the right has spit out to attempt to scare people into falling in line.

To say that someone is faking a condition like that is just f'ed up. MJF admits that he foregos his meds to demonstrate the illness in its raw form. Not everyone has the money or ability to get the meds to cope.

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I agree with Rush. Everyone knows he has Parkinson's and there was no need for the exaggerated movements. If he was having a "bad day" they should have rescheduled.

F'ing dog and pony show.:lame:

He seems to be OK enough to talk elsewhere and to campaign without flopping around. http://mfile.akamai.com/12906/wmv/vo...53680.200k.asx

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Give me a f'ing break. So he forgoes his meds (but conveniently forgets to let the viewer know this). BS!!!! It's pure acting. His movements are voluntary and controlled, not jerky.

This issue is not complicated, it's very simple.

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Get PD or MS or MD and we can talk.

He is showing the true side of the illness and giving the public an idea of just what some people who cant afford the meds have to deal with.

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Reading comprehension owns you. Rush NEVER said MJF was faking. And for you and everyone else that has bitten on the baited hook and run with it you should all be ashamed.

Do some research on the type of embryonic stem cell therapy the left is pissing & moaning about. I sure as hell wouldn't want that stuff injected into myself.

WhyTF would someone want to throw money at something that's proven not to work? Maybe they just want an issue to argue that they know that to the uninformed sounds bad and the other side won't change their stand on.

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That's absurd. He is not showing crap, except the sensationlism that the Democrats have always utilized from the acting crowd.

So, since all of the people that don't have PD, MS or MD can't talk about it, they need to vote against anything or anyone that supports any research into it.

F'ing moron.

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Very good point...he sure looked a lot different when playing across the the hottie on Boston Legal. But I do understand that the Liberals will do anything to win this year's elections, and if it means bringing in someone like Fox to explout their cause, they will.

As for tumors and embryonic stem cell usage, here is an article that mentions some LIBERAL colleges and their studies, and the tumors resulting in the use of embryonic stem cells in mice. So to say it is a right or left wing statement is incorrect.

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.

Goldman's research team has been injecting the controversial cells into rats that have the disease and the cells turned into tumors afterwards.

The scientists explained their findings in an article in the latest issue of Nature Medicine.

They said the embryonic stem cell injections helped some of the rats but some of the cells started growing in a manner that would eventually lead to a tumor.

"The behavioral data validate the utility of the approach. But it also raises a cautionary flag and says we are not ready for prime time yet," Goldman told the Washington Post.

He conceded that considerably more research would need to be done to determine whether the tumor problems could ever be overcome.

Parkinson's is a disease where dopamine-releasing cells in the brain die out, which leads to muscle dysfunction and can eventually cause paralysis. The goal of stem cell research in Parkinson's is to replace the dead cells with stem cells that form into new dopamine cells.

Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored.

Some autopsies on the rats found tumors and that the embryonic stem cells began to grow uncontrollably rather than becoming the dopamine cells as intended.

Another team led by Ole Isacson, a Harvard Medical School professor of neuroscience and neurology, published similar results earlier this month in the online journal Stem Cells and found that the embryonic stem cells also produced tumors.

Adult stem cells have not had the same problems and have been used successfully to treat dozens of diseases and conditions. But scientists have said they don't think embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure for Parkinson's.

University of Melbourne Emeritus Professor of Medicine Thomas Martin told Australian lawmakers recently that he did not think that embryonic stem cell research would even lead to cures for major diseases such as diabetes or Parkinson's.

Martin, an internationally recognized Fellow of the Royal Society, said the embryonic stem cells produced from human cloning would have the same problems.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio1810.html

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Like I said - tumors downstream of the injection point and ineffective therapy.

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I think I have done the best research possible...living with it. If you have any questions call UT Southwestern's MS clinic and have a talk with them regarding ES and how it has not been fully utilized. So until you actually have a condition that could someday be cured by ES, quit suckin on the teet of mainstream republican press.

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Your research sucks then.

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no ****...watching your spouse slowly fall apart does suck. thanks for your concern

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I have a problem with us, the viewers of the commercial, not being given the facts of the commercial.

Where's Christopher Reeve?:rolleyes:

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what does that have to do with your shitty research?

and You're Welcome.

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I agree. He should have said he was not on his meds, so folks could see what others have to deal with.

The main argument most have is the destruction of the human embryo...so they quote the same med journal over and over that states that early indications showed issues with the injections (they and now looking at gene interaction with the stems...not injecting btw). The embryos are being flushed anyway from millions of people who are going thru fertility treatments...so if it is getting flushed why cant it at least get used in research.

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I understand the need to do research and the money that is needed for that, but don't you think they can go about it a different way. How would you like to have PD, MS. or LGD and then have to deal with a second problem ie: tumors. I don't think so. And I'm not even talking about the un-ethical or ethical points on this. I will not even open that can of worms, I'm just talking about the health of someone that is already sick. Why not take it from the blood from the embilical cords of all of these babies being born everyday. You know I did not save any cord blood from both of my children someone could have taken that and tried to get all of "the good stuff" from it. I would have signed it over. To me that would be just like organ donations. My point is there are other ways to get the cells that the doctors need.

And I do think the Michael J Fox deal is just bad, so now we have reached the point that we go beyond the normal bad cut throat politics and now it becomes a freak show. That is just not right. Do we show women with their bare chest and scars after they had a breast removed? No that would never be aloud, but to me it is the same thing.

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Living with an illness day to day is the best way to really understand.

Kind of like if I was to try to tell you what it is like to be a fat bastard with a limited IQ and no job...

Your welcome.

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We could talk to you about it, but we don't have MS. Sorry!

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I'm very, very conservative, but I have to agree. Put the garbage to use.

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So, my living with my RARE illness is the best way to understand. No shit?

I could tell you what it's like to have a limited IQ and no job (my IQ has probably dropped many points since the onset of my illness) but, since YOU personally don't have an illness, I really can't.

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Harvard University is mainstream republican press?:OWNED: That article I quote was also in the Detroit Free Press, a well known liberal rag, and the Detroit News, a well known conservative rag.
It is not a mainstream republican article!

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Here is some new info for you to digest from Harvard

Approval granted for Harvard Stem Cell Institute researchers to attempt creation of disease-specific embryonic stem cell lines

Press conference
Bios of Harvard stem cell researchers:

Douglas A. Melton
Douglas A. Melton
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Kevin C. Eggan
Kevin C. Eggan
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George Q. Daley
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Harvard Stem Cell Institute
Contact: B.D. Colen
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(617) 413-1224 (cell)

After more than two years of intensive ethical and scientific review, Harvard Stem Cell Institute (HSCI) researchers at Harvard and Children's Hospital Boston have been cleared to begin experiments using Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT) to create disease-specific stem cell lines in an effort to develop treatments for a wide range of now-incurable conditions afflicting tens of millions of people.

As far as is known, this decision marks the beginning of the first noncommercial effort in the United States to use human embryonic stem cells in a series of experiments whose principle has already been proven in animals. The work is being entirely supported with private funds because of the federal restrictions on human embryonic stem cell work. If successful, it will mark a major step forward in the effort to use stem cells to treat chronic diseases.

The work will be conducted by two groups headed by HSCI senior investigators: Douglas Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute and Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor of Natural Science in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS), and HSCI principal faculty member Assistant Professor Kevin Eggan, of the FAS Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology; and Harvard Medical School Associate Professor George Daley of Children's Hospital Boston, who has already begun some of his experiments.

Melton's work will focus on diabetes; Eggan will initially work with Melton on diabetes, and then plans to focus on neurodegenerative diseases, such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) - better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Daley's group will focus on blood disorders. Daley was one of the principal scientists who in 2002 demonstrated in a mouse model the feasibility of using SCNT to treat immune deficiency.

Harvard University Provost Steven E. Hyman said during a June 6 telephone press conference that the work has been the subject of "more than two years of thoughtful, intensive review by as many as eight different Institutional Review Boards and Stem Cell oversight committees at five different institutions," including Harvard, Children's Hospital, Partners Health Care, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston IVF, and Columbia University.

Harvard University President Lawrence H. Summers called the approvals "a seminal event in the University's effort to advance this tremendously promising area of science and fulfill that promise as quickly as possible for the countless patients suffering from diabetes, Parkinson's disease, heart disease, cancers, and a host of other illnesses.

"While we understand and respect the sincerely held beliefs of those who oppose this research, we are equally sincere in our belief that the life-and-death medical needs of countless suffering children and adults justifies moving forward with this research," Summers said, referring to the controversy over embryonic stem cell work.

The Harvard Stem Cell Institute, co-directed by Melton, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator, and David Scadden, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and director of the Center of Regenerative Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, is a unique collaborative effort that includes 99 principal investigators and hundreds of additional scientists in laboratories at Harvard University and at many of Harvard's affiliated hospitals. The institute is dedicated to advancing all forms of stem cell science from laboratory bench to patient bedside as quickly as possible.

Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer involves removing nuclei, which contain the cellular DNA (genes) from egg cells, and replacing them with the nuclei of donor cells. The resulting cell is subject to a chemical, or electrical, charge that triggers cell division and the creation of an embryo genetically identical to the donor of the nuclei. In the HSCI experiments, aimed at understanding diseases, the nuclei will be taken from skin cells donated by patients suffering from diabetes, blood diseases, and neurodegenerative diseases.

The controversy

Research involving human embryonic stem cells is controversial because extracting the cells - which can differentiate into any cell or tissue type in the body - requires the destruction of a human embryo, albeit a blastocyst of only a few hundred cells, literally half the size of the period at the end of this sentence. Opponents of the work contend that no potential medical benefit can justify the destruction of what they view as a human life, or even as a person.

But Melton responds that "all human cells, even individual sperm and eggs, are 'living.' The relevant question is 'when does personhood begin?' That's a valid theological or philosophical question, but from the scientific perspective, this work holds enormous potential to save lives, cure diseases, and improve the health of millions of people. The reality of the suffering of those individuals far outweighs the potential of blastocysts that would never be implanted and allowed to come to term even if we did not do this research," he said.

Melton, in collaboration with Kevin Eggan and Douglas Powers of Boston IVF , has already created 31 stem cell lines using left-over frozen embryos donated by couples who went through in vitro fertilization (IVF), and has distributed those stem cell lines to scientists around the world.

The work

Embryonic stem cells are the master cells of the body, capable of developing into any tissue type. The researchers will seek to learn how to control that differentiation, with a goal of eventually creating lines of cells that can, for instance, produce insulin-making islet cells in the pancreas, which are depleted or absent in diabetics. Melton and Eggan's first nuclear transfer experiments will attempt to create diabetes specific stem cells by removing the nuclei from skin cells taken from diabetic volunteers at the Naomi Berrie Diabetes Center at Columbia University Medical Center and inserting them into donor eggs from which the nuclei have been removed.

In addition to collaborating with Melton on this project, Eggan, whose work is supported by the Stowers Medical Institute, is seeking approvals to study diseases of the nervous system.

Children's Hospital researcher and HSCI Executive Committee member George Daley explains that the ultimate goal of all three HSCI researchers, once they understand how embryonic stem cells are programmed to differentiate into specific cell types, is to literally move a patient's disease into a petri [laboratory] dish. "We plan to take skin cells from a patient with a genetic disease, like sickle cell anemia or any one of more than 40 bone marrow disorders, and reprogram that skin cell back to its embryonic state. We can then study the disease using these cells, correct their genetic defects and coax the repaired cells to become normal blood cells. Our ultimate goal is to return the repaired cells to the patients." Such cells, genetically identical to the patients receiving them, would be accepted by the patient's immune system and wouldn't require the use of immunosuppressive drugs.


Speaking of the IRB decisions at Harvard, Children's Hospital, Boston IVF, Brigham and Women's Hospital - where Daley is obtaining ova for his experiments - and Columbia University allowing the Harvard Stem Cell Institute SCNT work to proceed, Melton says, "I think Harvard University has done the right thing by giving this research very careful review by multiple boards, and allowing plenty of time for reconsideration and reflection. If this new technology is to realize its promise, scientists should have the support of the community and proceed deliberately and carefully."

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You just proved my point...Harvard is NOT a known hotbed of conservatives. Yes, they are researching it, and some research is not what everyone likes.

As for a conservative vs. liberal view; has anyone counted how many are killed each year due to liberal views on gun control (e.g., Illinois, Washington DC, etc.) where a law abiding citizen cannot defend themself against a criminal with a gun? Not to change the subject, but I know someone who died due to the fact they could not defend themself against a criminal with a gun.

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I am as conservative as they come on most everything...I hate the fact this topic has gotten so political.

I am all for our constitutional rights regarding firearms. I have my CHL.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

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Horry chit!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

I hope and pray you don't have a CHL because you don't have the mental capacity to carry the responsibility that is required by it.

THE F'ING TOPIC WAS POLITICAL TO BEGIN WITH

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Originally Posted by HummerHippy http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/ Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

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Gretta is addressing this right now on Fox News.:popcorn:

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Hey, that's it! The GOP should get Gretta's azz in some ads for something.:D

Say it......you know you want to.....say it like she does......mouth a little more over to the side and relax......"Gretta"

:jump:

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HA!!! Those guys are a 1/2 step ahead of witch doctors and blood letting. I know wtf I'm talking about. A boss of mine was very interested in investing in private research years ago. Guess what I got to read?:fdance: I've tried to keep an eye on it since.
As for sucking on something - you need to get the lieberal propaganda cock out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself. I'm the furthest thing from a follower you're likely to ever see. There's plenty of issues that I disagree with the Right on. But the Left are flat out a pack of hypocritical lying turds that will do &/or say anything to further their agenda. They are all about creating & maintaining dependency and manipulating it with fear to ensure they stay in office.

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Ries & faprications. You are so not a conservative.

Which constitutional right(s) were you speaking of?

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I was referring to ES Research you assclown. And how all the bible thumpin phucknuts seem to think they know what is good and right for the world.

Oh and btw pray harder, Texas seems to think I be smart nuff to have me a handgun.

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That would be the second amendment you douche.

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No you weren't.

ES research, as you like to refer to it, is a small part of a larger equation. Stem cell research does not only have to reside in embryos, why not focus on adult stem cell, where success has already taken place.

Why don't you move on and let the adults discuss this.

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Where is this success you point to? Name one disease that has been cured. Why put limits on where our scientific community can go to find answers?

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Ok, no limits. Let's put a bullet in your head so we can study it's effects.:lame:

Adult stem cell success? Go all the way back to 2004 to the congressional hearings on the matter where it was presented to them.

Here let me help you "g-o-o-g-l-e"

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:iagree:

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2004...are you serious? Have they cured PD, MS, MD, Lupis, LD?....the list goes on...you just dont get it, until you live with one of these things you will never understand what it is like.

But hey, you do come off as a really caring person and I do highly respect your opinion as I do the others on this board. And seeing that you can spell the name of a search engine, you must be right. Screw the sickies, the government knows what is best, and so do the doctors they pay to tell us that...