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JET or PCM for less???? Need direction.
Hey all. New member here. Been lurking in the shadows for a couple days. A lot of good info and people on here. Sorry If I'm to lengthy.
I'm wanting a pcm mod, but not sure If I should purchase a JET Chip or do the PCM for Less option. I've read the threads on here for PCM and it looks like they are creating what I'm looking for, but the idea of a JET module that I can remove and sell in a couple years to get some money back is promising too. My 06 H3 is leased and will most likely get turned back in at the end. My major concern with PCM for less is that my H3 is dealer serviced almost monthly through my lease (oil changes and tire rotations). I hate to mess with reprogramming if the dealer reflashes for what ever reason. (They've updated the stock program a few times allready without my prior knowledge) (They have the attitude that all the performance issues we are having are all in my head and that my H3 is performing perfectly...BS) It would be much easier for me to just remove the JET prior to service and plug it back in when they're done. On the other hand, I'm looking for a bit better mileage(avg 13.5 now), firmer shifts, corrected odometer(increased tire size), smoother idle, quicker throttle response, more low end, blah blah blah. I've heard no real feedback on JET as to wether JET will accomplish all this or just give you a bit better feel. I've also heard that JET will help, but may actually lower your mpg. I've totally confused myself. What say you???? Anybody have a JET module on their H3 or JET experience? Can anybody help me? Much appreciated. JET or PCMforless???? HoosierH3 :confused: |
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I checked JET's web site, I see nothing for the H3. Can you post the link? Please?
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The JET website is not up to date. It only reflects a spacer for H3.
I spoke with JET customer service today after talking with one of JET's distributers. The distributer is selling the same part number as they sell for the I5 3.5 Colorado/Canyon per JET's instruction. Same exact part number (JET20305) stage 1. Per JET customer service..they are using the same exact part number for Hummer H3 as earlier Colorado. I confirmed this today with JET. According to JET tech service, "the H3 factory programming is nearly identical to 3.5 Colorados. Part number 20305 works on both with the same results." Wether this is true or false, I do not know, but this is JET's claim. After reading many threads here pertaining to PCM for less, it does sound that both vehicle are set up similar from the factory, but not identical. Close enough though, that JET's module works in both vehicles. JET tech service did tell me though that their module only adjusts for fuel/air ratio and timing. No mention or consideration for shift patterns, rough idle, or odometer recalibration obviously. |
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I think it's all a croc.
I'm so sick of this subject. Could someone just come out with a "real" tune already? When someone messes/programs a PCM, BCM etc, that isn't an expert on the vehicle, then I wouldn't trust them, or their "close enough" attitude. "Close but no cigar" is more appropriate. :rant: off |
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Hummbebe you seemed stressed. MAybe some dancing bananas will help you relax.:dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana:
ANd all the modes done to your ride have been crash worthyness tested by whom???? HoosierH3 asks a valid question. Don't know if you'll get an answer because I haven't heard of anyone trying JET's system. You may be the first. I went with the PCMforless option and have been happy with it. An increase in milage by 1 to 2 mpg. Depending on how I drive. It shifts better and that anoying lag when you start to let off the gas and have to hammer it again is gone. In short I'm happy with what PCMforless did. |
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Not stressed :fdance: My mods are more like a battering ram, so crash test is not necessary. In addition, H2O Hummers has been producing this type of equipment long before Hummers even existed, (mostly on HD Fords and Chevy trucks). My issue with these types of programs are this: They have not been dyno tested. Essentially it is a computer alteration that is purely "edumacated" guesswork. While there are improvements, I'll admit it, they are not optimal, because there is no four wheel dyno test to back it up. I'll wait until there is some actual dyno testing before I use this type of upgrade. A dyno on a 2 WD Colorado does not work for me. |
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I'm not sure why some folks have been so adamant about dyno testing the PCMForLess tune. The real noticable seat-of-the-pants difference is in optimizing the shift points. By fixing the shift points, you are essentially putting more of the available HP & Torque to the ground. To me, it's more of how it feels than what the numbers say. There have been several members on this forum that have done the PCMForLess tune and have nothing but good things to say about it. I guess it's all in what you expect from it. It's not going to be a huge increase in power, but it will likely be a noticable one. There are dyno tests on the K&N intake system that say it produces an extra 16HP. I had one of these for a while and I noticed absolutely no increase in SOTP HP. The only thing I got was more noise. I plan on doing the PCMForLess tune sometime soon. I look at it this way. It costs less than the K&N Intake and if it at least has some noticable results, then it is well worth the price.
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I would choose to learn from those who have been doing this long before we came along. Those who use/wheel the H2's, Chevy Trucks, Fords, Dodge etc.
They are not that popular among those who are "in the know". It is best to research the industry as a whole. Not everybody believes in it. |
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Looks like our PCM for less friends are popular here too...:giggling:
http://www.coloradofans.com/viewtopic.php?t=44414 |
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interesting
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Now these are guys have HP Tuners, and if they are local, will custom tune your I-5 for sooper cheap....
http://www.coloradofans.com/viewtopic.php?t=30952 |
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HummBebe's link is the first negative thread on another site that I have seen regarding PCMforLess. Some HPTuners info regarding the coloradofans.com listing of people with HPTuners - the cost to buy two credits to tune a single I5 VIN is ~$100 and the cost for six credits to do a complete year of a single type vehicle is ~$300. (The colorado/canyon and H3 are considered different vehicles as far as HPTuners goes.) My point is that the people listed with HPTuners may charge a little more to cover the additional costs for credits because they probably have licenses for colorado/canyon not the H3.
I don't think the JET chip will alter the shifts are recalibrate for different tire sizes. So I don't think JET will work for you. It looks like you have three choices: 1) Buy HPTuners and do the tune yourself for ~$500. 2) Mail order tune - from PCMforLess, for example, for $199 + shipping 3) Contact one of the people near you with HPTuners from HummBebe's link. |
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Bebe, not to be confrontational, but that's just another case of one person who hasn't personally tried it saying pcm4less is crap because he heard it from other "unnamed" sources. To date, I still haven't seen anyone who has bought the tune say anthing negative about it, have you? You mentioned 4 wheel dyno in a previous post, what would you like to see from a dyno that would convince you one way or the other? To me and most others here the bottom line is does it improve the driveability of the truck and make it more pleasureable and the resounding answer is yes.... |
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Are you guys all believing that the Canyon/Colorado is the same truck?
What about gearing? Power to weight ratios? You can't put 35's on a C/C. The H3's are HEAVY. C/C is a truck with a bed on it. I'm not saying it does not change it, I'm asking how we know it is optimal? I'd rather have a stranger with a laptop ride around with me in several different driving situations collecting data, and optimize it real life. If you go back to that forum and do some research, there are a good number of people complaining about it. Check it out. |
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Going for the PCMforless doohickey myself. Won't be shy to let y'all know if it did nothing, worsened, or, improved things. (BTW, tried to call twice about something, no big deal but, got a voice recording each time - so customer service isn't exemplary if you'd care to know.)
The way I figured was I wanted to spend some money on the truck and the choices were new air-intake, exhaust, or computer software. I didn't really need any data such as dyno because these have really been more for marketing. Have y'all looked at the K& N dyno for example? The RPM that the truck must function in inorder to see a difference is NOT REAL WORLD. So why does it seem to me that people put in new air intake system without batting an eye lid (same with exhaust) as if it should do anything to the truck especially when the OEM setup is ALREADY COLD AIR :confused: :confused: :confused: . Anyways, what I'm saying, is sometimes decisions to "accessorize" the truck don't have to be logical. How else can you explain all the BLING??;) |
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BTW, the other software solution is...http://www.teakatoys.com/Hummer_H3_C...p/z-h3comp.htm
Sounds similar to PCMforless. I wonder if someone would consider comparing the two. Hmmm.... |
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I'll wait patiently for your opinion, appreciate your objective approach to the mod. |
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Ok...Sorry i opened this can of worms again. :giggling: I realize it has been debated multiple other times here and this thread is starting to look exactly the same as the other threads regarding PCM for less. I was just hoping for some input on JET, but obviously, no body has tried one.
HummBebe-I can't quite understand the negativity and doubt from you, since you have no real direct experience with PCM for less (It looks to me that you never used them?) nor any other programming company from what I've read on this site (Looks to me that you are running the stock computer waiting for the world to end that maybe a "proven" "dyno'd" program will arrive with the second coming??? It seams that you are out to bash PCM for some reason. Yes, Multi Million dollar Dyno testing would look great on paper, but what would it really prove? Bottom line, I'm looking for seat of the pants return for my dollar. As it was stated, new intake systems and aftermarket exhaust provide the majority of their performance at WOT which is just not realistic for a daily driver. I'm looking to improve the daily drivability of a poorly tuned stock factory vehicle. I don't quite trust the other site that was mentioned, http://www.coloradofans.com/viewtopic.php?t=44414. It seams they censor anything they don't agree with and a bunch of Colorado owners running around tuning each other's vehicles for the cost of their gas does not seem to "proven" either. I think this post has led my decision toward using PCM for less as their legit competitors are charging considerably more. I've got a service date coming up next week, after that, I'll be contacting PCM. I'll post back afterward with my confirmed results. Hoosier :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: |
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TOTALLY HAPPY WITH MY PCMFORLESS TUNE!!!!
And if ChevyHighPerformance is satisfied with his research on them, so am I. AND I FIND IT PRETTY SAD, WHOEVER PUT THE ORIGINAL THREAD IN THE WOODSHED GET REAL!!! |
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There are several threads on PCM for Less on Hummerforums.com and everyone with an H3 that got the tune is happy with it. They have been using the tune since last fall. Too bad someone here feels they have to hide the previous thread on this site..... :lame: :lame: I haven't seen one H3 owner that got the tune that wasn't satisfied with it. |
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You don't have to take my opinion, if you are reading it, so personally. It's just my opinion. When people start getting defensive about their product, it signals to me that they are deeply insecure about it for some reason. Personally, I have grown up around "hot rods" and race cars, and so my thoughts may be sort of old school, but my father, who is a genius when it come to these things, thinks that it is not likely the soundest thing to do. If you have heard about "balancing and blueprinting" from the old days, that is exactly what GM has done, balanced the drivetrain. Just because there is "power left on the table" doesn't mean you should utilize it. In my opinion, unless the program is changed in real life, for real life situations, I have no use for it. Doesn't mean you don't have a use for it. I hope your "seat of the pants" thrill makes you happy. :cool: |
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Just because there is "power left on the table" doesn't mean you should utilize it. [/QUOTE] HUUUH? WOW! LMFAO!!! Yup, everybody is entitled to their opinion and my opinion is there is never enough power to utilize. That power left on the table is a waste. I'm sure GM, as much as I love GM, did not get everything "balanced" when they designed and rolled out the 06 H3. If so, they would not have rolled out the 3.7 for the second production year. ;) There would also be no need for the ALPHA since the original 3.5 had "power left on the table". I'm not taking your comments personally. I personally don't care what your opinion is as you have no personal experience to back your opinion.:clapping: Don't utilize the power! lol :lame: :jump: :jump: :jump: |
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They made changes to the power on the H3, not by changing the shift points, or the programming. They changed the bore. That my friend, is the "right way" to upgrade power in an engine. Quote:
Yes you are, because you now are needing to defend yourself by insulting me. So here, in case you have not gotten one of these yet....  Quote:
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No! You are! :) Get over yourself Ms. Negativitly and cheer up darn it! :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: Best Friends Forever! ;) By the way, a sincere thank you to all that have posted legit feedback and opinions based on experience. Thank you. Hoosier :beerchug: |
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:p Here come the dancing bananas :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: |
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I just love those dang Bananas! :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: |
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Disco banana thread, alright.:dancingbanana:
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phixed :fdance: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: |
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PCM who, V-8 what. :giggling:
Don't mess with the Queen, that's just not very smart. For real, GFY and find something else to talk about. You can PM West (nice guy, my friend), he has that thingy and likes it. Otherwise you know where to stick it. |
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Bebe, Alena likes the bunny:giggling: , kids are so darn cute.
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How fkcing dare you..... You are an a$$hole. You have no more information to back up the positive, than I do to back up the negative. I at least know someone who has been in this industry for years and years, that thinks it's a sham. There are plenty of experts in the field that think this is crap. I believe them. I have provided that proof in previous threads. I actually have a superchip in my Mustang, an '05 GT and I hate it. It is definitely faster, but it idles rough and sounds like the timing is off. I am taking it out. I should have never messed with it. And for the last time GFY you butthurt sensitive little flower. |
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LOL Now that's just plain funny! :) Your amazing.:dancingbanana: Good luck in life. You need it! I've never seen such a bitter, down on life, pathetic excuse of a human being. Your a know it all pile of crap. Maybe someday you'll wake up and realize how worhtless you are. Nope. I doubt it. Your inability to express yourself in an appropriate manner without lowering yourself to insults and vulgarity reflects your ignorance, insecurity, and lack of education. Do you even own a Hummer or do you troll websites looking for fights because your jobless, have nothing better to do, and your monthly welfare check is already spent? The only vehicle you probably own is the single wide your living in. You probably detest PCM for less because you can't afford them and they have real friends, unlike yourself. What a waste of a perfectly good website...Your just a TROLL! ;) LOL :yawn: :popcorn: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: :dancingbanana: |
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You must be HummBebe's daddy! Nice to meet you.:giggling: |
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Hey Hoser, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, go buy your stupid PCM magic beans and have a coke and a smile. Then do the world a favor and jump off a cliff. Didn't your mama teach you to be nice to ladies. Or were you left in a dumpster. Maybe that is why you have the nerve to talk to a woman, that you don't even know, in the horrible manner that you have. Please go the **** away.
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Fella I'd be more than happy to meet you, now go back to sucking your thumb.
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OOOOOHHHHHHH looky that, it's a troll....but more likely an A/E.
Ok. You got me this time. :OWNED: Let's stop feeding the troll .... |
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:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
HummBebe = TROLL member troll-nothing to say and too much time on her hands:violin: :shhh: |
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Hey Hoser or um Loser time to run along now.
Bebe could out wheel you any day of the week. Oh and let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Hit the road face first. Attachment 38432 |
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