I noticed that R2 listed front lockers amongst other items that he has used to make his H2 his own. Where did/do you get front lockers for the H2 and how much $$$, who can put them on?

I noticed that R2 listed front lockers amongst other items that he has used to make his H2 his own. Where did/do you get front lockers for the H2 and how much $$$, who can put them on?

Isn't that what the TC2 button is for?

Where have you been man?????

Actually I do not believe it is. TC2 cuts power to the spinning wheel. Front lockers - lock both wheels so they have equal power going to both wheels. Furthermore I do not believe TC2 is the same as true front lockers becuase R2 had front lockers put on his Hummer.

I think Steve was trying to be funny.

- Dan

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SUT on order 12/02. 11 months down, 7 to go!
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The H2 has the ability to lock out the rear diffs, but not the front. Right?

gasman

Dan- Oh

Kidding, I know he was...trying

Frank - That is correct, but R2 had front lockers put on his

Just air down

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Seriously, does anyone know where to get front lockers for an H2?

Yes! Tracktion control cannot lock the front end.. The lockers provide me with a true positive lock.

I installed the Eaton E-Locker 9.2. It uses a push-in button like the rear. Locker $650 install $750

Tracktion control is ok but, you cannot depend on it. I do enough off-roading to justify a front locker ( and I mean hardcore )

I have been offroad every weekend for 2 months.

I love this thing!!!!

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

I was in VT with a H1, we were climbing a stepped part of a steep trail (1' to 2' steps) I did it without airing down & had to beat on my H2 to do it. He aired down & drove up it like he was on pavement, so I aired down & did it again & did it as easy as him. It just seem to me that buying lockers for the front is a waste of time & money

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Thank you R2 and Paul L for the valuable information!!

A locker is designed to assist when you only have 3 or two tires on the ground. Like v ditches, were you have to approach at an angle. Maybe going up a rock hill were you only have tracktion on the front tires and one rear.

I will say steps on a high tracktion surface can be done with no lockers given no uneven surfaces. You understand!!!!

Get lockers if you realy want to conqure tough areas without worries about what wheel will be receiving torque.

Allow your driveing to screw you up not the Truck.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

PS....

It is standard practice to air down anytime you go wheeling!!!!

Just a thought.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

just busting your chops R2

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Yea!!! I hear ya....

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Hey Dan,

You're right. If this is the Allen I think it is....he showed up at our Rowher Trail event and tried blasting up a really steep hill. He failed on his first attempt and I consulted with him on his selection of t-case modes and other stuff. He indicated to me that he had the front-locker "ON"...so I told him he had no front locker and only a rear locker. He then looked confused and gestured to his TC2 button and.....you can imagine the rest. He did make it up that hill on his next try!!!

I've considered a front-locker. There are 2 things I have no seen discussed here....so let's crack the books and chew the fat:

First, the traction control can in fact simulate a locker-like effect. If driven carefully and you understand the dynamics of your traction control system...then you can sorta work with your TC and almost stop/reduce the wheels from spinning. I consider the TC system 1/2-a-locker.....it's about half-way as effective as a true locker.

Bear in mind we still have a locker in the rear and the rear does most the work. Still...I've found situations where a front-locker would realy be nice. Particularly in this instance:

Often you want to crawl or creep over stuff. The tires may be up against a rock or small boulder: if you apply more and more power the tire will come up and over the rock...but you tend to "pop" or jump up when you finally get enough power to get up that obstacle. I've seen many people keep pushing on the gas and then literally thrust up and over the rock...only to come crashing down on their frame or rock rail cause they sorta overshot the rock. I'm sure you offroaders know exactly what I mean!!!

The H2 can be like a giant freakin' marshmellow. The rock won't budge so people just keep giving it more and more power...the tire starts to climb...and just as quickly you get on top of the rock and lurch forward! NO GOOD!!!

Sometimes you want to get right on top of that rock/boulder and re-direct your heading. Control is critical!!!!

The primiere technique I use is to apply braking and modulate the gas with the brake to create a very slow and solid progression forward. I slowly and deliberately creep up and on top of that rock: control!!!!

Here's the catch with our TC's: if you touch your brake...all TC functions are OFFLINE!!!! Now you've got nothing but an open differential in the front: one wheel slips/spins and it's all over for the front pulling!!!!

TC and braking can't work at the same time. A locker would resolve this issue and allow someone to seriously crawl, creep and maintain exquisite control...all the while having total turning of all 4 tires.

Front locker...a waste of money??? HELL NO!!!!! I've been waiting for one to come out and it would seem my ship has come in!!!!! I'm in line! Tell me more R2

What else you got going on with your rig???? Inquiring minds want to know!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul L:
It just seem to me that buying lockers for the front is a waste of time & money<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Than you don't wheel hard enough!

Steve, you hit the nail right on the head!

Lets get one thing straight. True lockers give the driver control over wheel spin. Traction control gives the computer control over wheel spin. Who do you want to be in charge?

We have lockers in a super stock Chevy pulling truck and usually put the 15.5" wide wranglers on for playing in the snow.
A few times get it stuck on top of big drifts.
If we can shovel enough to get any tire on the ground it comes right out, easy on the gas.
W/ TC the 3 tires are spinning and when it engages the 4th tire it is usually too fast and will break the traction it had, so STILL stuck.

Both lockers are the only way to fly.

I want to be in charge!

Yell'r 04 Lux w/ air, sunroof,F&R brush bars
Traded 03 White Lux
03 GMC D/A CC SLT LB soon to be 04

Good point, lockers give the driver control not the computer!!!!!

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

mmm front locker
I know what I want from Santa!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RockYoda:
True lockers give the driver control over wheel spin. Traction control gives the computer control over wheel spin. Who do you want to be in charge?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want to be in charge!! When we let the computer be in charge...horrible things can happen!!!!!! Didn't we all see the Terminator series? The Machines took over!!!!!!!

That's probably the next big innovation GM has planned: All our rigs traction control systems will be linked to a master computer which controls, monitors and regulates our vehicles. They'll call thing "Traction-Net". Sure...this sounds all well & fine, but what happens when our traction control systems and Traction-Net become "conscious"???

We'll panic and try to pull the plug, but it'll be too late!! Hummers will be flying off the road. The machines will turn on us and a new era will come upon the planet: chaos & mayhem will reign upon us and we'll become the hunted!!!

Only one thing stands between us and our traction way of life: led by "The Chosen Taco"....we will come to embrace front-lockers. We'll reject traction control systems and fight for traction to the bitter end. This will mark humanities finest hour: cry traction and let loose the lockers of war!!!!!

Don't get me started.....oppps, too late!

ALTERNATIVE REPLY: I totally agree with you Frank!

Steve,

I guess home insulation sales are slow today

I can't make the t-run without a divorce so I'll have to pass. I would love to go because I haven't been on the trail with you in a while and now my good friend Rick has a job so we're stuck with weekends.

Ok Steve, Here it is>>>>>>>

>>Flame Throwers
>>Automatic Hedge clippers
Non-supported instalation by the dealer (mounts behind the bumper)
>>Rock crushers
it's the button right of the TC2
>>Pontoon kit
For fording over 80's
>>Anti-roll bars
allows me to travers at 55 degrees
>>Automatic Turkey cooker
for special times in the trail



Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

will a front locker have any warranty issues with any/all parts involved? Front diff?

I would like some more lockers. maybe not on the front wheels like you guys though. How about a locker on the glovebox? Or a locker on the center cosole? (did that sound MAC like to anybody else?). Seriously though, for me, the rear and TC seem to be enough. I'm sure if I was doing more rock crawling a front would be good, but as I don't, I'm satisfied with what I've got.

Ron.
The locker comes with a one year warrenty.

GM will not warrenty the diff after the Mod. The installation is guarrenteed for workmanship.

Bottom Line I don't know!!

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

I would put the $$$ into a front SAS before spending good coin on a front locker of any sorts.... You would have a stronger front(depending on what axle you choose) and a more capable rig...

certified H2 tech. troll

What is SAS?

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

Straight Axle Swap.. We will get you guys caught up in the lingo

certified H2 tech. troll

Got cha!!!
It seems to me a SAS would cost a bit more than a locker, considering all the work needed on an H2. I problably would have to add a lift and whole new drive train????? I don't know. It justs sounds like a lot.

Besides, the IFS is what gives the H2 a smooth and stable ride on the road.

Thanks for the advice,

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

Yes R2, its not "cheap" but its $$$ being spent in a maner that won't be "re-done" later so to speak. Actually, if done right, a straight axle will out ride an ifs any day. My rig is a perfect example, leafs all the way around, and it rides better than any ifs rig could ever ride(gets called a limo,lol)

certified H2 tech. troll

crash, I would like to know what you drive???? and the specs. What does the Troll in the sig. mean??

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

82 toy, front end is a custom high pinion 44, high steer and full hydro steering
4.3 gm v6 mated to a sm465(4 speed slush box) mated todual toy t-cases. rear is toyota still (have a dana 60 siting for when I blow it up again) Arb's front/rear. Modified waggy springs.

Its about to get re-done, I have sitting in a pile, 4 coil overs, chromo material for link bars, back half will be fully tubed, engine cage, re-desinged internal cage.....

Lots of stuff.. Oh ya, I run 38.5 tsl/sx's.

My rig is a perfect example of evolution, bought it back in 91, and has transformed over the years (comes down to that whole deal of what would I have done differently). But, I started fabbing stuff way before the net was anything at all....

certified H2 tech. troll

I see Trollyoda!!!!!

You certainly are hardcore. Why didn't you go with coil-overs the first time??? More importantly why didn't you buy American!!!???? Are you realy a certified H2 Mech?

I am glad My H2 is made in Indiana,. Else I would be looking at a Jeep..No!!! thats German owned... realy a Bronco.

Have fun wheeling,

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R2:
I see Trollyoda!!!!!

You certainly are hardcore. Why didn't you go with coil-overs the first time??? More importantly why didn't you buy American!!!???? Are you realy a certified H2 Mech?

I am glad My H2 is made in Indiana,. Else I would be looking at a Jeep..No!!! thats German owned... realy a Bronco.

Have fun wheeling,

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2
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80's Toyotas are the best damn 1/2 ton trucks on the road. It only takes 1/2 the money to build than a comparitable heep and they don't break down! Compaired to an early Bronco it only cost a fraction. If American companies made trucks like Toyotas i would buy American. Toyotas are small and nible. They have the perfect wb length and they are stronger than any American built 1/2 truck. Does it really matter if people buy American or not? In the long run... No. This is a global economy now. We as a planet will be relying more and more each other. Buy American will mean nothing in the future.

Rock,,
No need to justify your preferences. I realize that you may have bought into the global economy mindset; afterall it does take a village??? Allow me to embellish. We buy American made and Americans get a pay check to support their families. We live in America.

That's it,

Enjoy your yoda and remember there is someone out there that cannot support their family because you bought that perfect vehicle.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

Its all about the progression, when I started in this sport, coil overs weren't even being used in the desert race series,lol... Of course, I will have over 4k in parts alone for the new suspension, so, thats not exactly cheap, and I collect parts by building rigs on the side...

As for to or not to buy american, I agree, we need to support americans. But also look at it from this standpoint, the only true person that spent the $$$ on the non us made stuff, is the first. Down the line, as a non american rig gets bought/sold, the $$$ now enters the US economy. But then again, my rig is now 2/3 american made products, stronger than the asain stuff by far.....

Hardcore,lol, I consider that a state of mind more than anything, and can be interperted(sp) in many ways...

certified H2 tech. troll

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R2:

Are you realy a certified H2 Mech?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I have a few certs for specific areas on the rig. I also specialize in engine performance and electrical at a chev/hummer dealership (been there going on 15 years)

certified H2 tech. troll