They can talk all they want, but there's not a Lexus made that can go through the creek and up the hill on the trail to my house after a good rain, without a lift kit and mudder tires, but my H3 does it in base form without breaking a sweat and I don't even have to use low range all the time to do it. The more I drive it the more I love my H3 and could care less what non owners say.