[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Out of all of the New empires, nations, countrys that were brought about by war, revolution or some type of act of aggression. What empire, nation or country was not first ruled by the leader of the aggression. Napoleon leads France, Ceasar leads the Roman Empire. War heroes..... generals ........ the leaders come back to rule what they conquered. …

Originally Posted by PARAGON

George Washington and the United States is the only one I am aware of.

George Washington was the Commander in Chief of the Continental Forces during the American Revolution. Thus, he arguably was the “leader of the aggression.” I believe he basically had the public backing to undertake the equivalent of monarchial powers after the Revolution, but, in one of the greatest acts in world history, chose to be merely President of the Confederation. Most historians believe that the Founding Fathers created the presidency with Washington in mind. Washington was elected unanimously by the Electoral College in 1789, and he remains the only person ever to be elected president unanimously (a feat which he duplicated in the 1792 election). I think it’s fair to say that he was our first “ruler” – though he admirably showed tremendous restraint.

Also, the answer to your question depends on the definitions of “empire, nation or country.” Napoleon led France, but “France” was “brought about” long before Mr. Bonaparte was a twinkle in his great, great, great, great grandmother’s eye. France (which I personally define as “crap” – though that is neither here nor there) arose from Gaul, which, after the fall of the Roman Empire coalesced into the Frankish Kingdom (which became a part of the Charlemagne’s Carolingian Empire) and back again with the division of Charlemagne's Empire into East Francia, Middle Francia and Western Francia. Western Francia approximated the area occupied by modern France. The Nation of “France” was certainly around by the rise of the Capetian dynasty at the end of the first millenium A.D. Even if you segregate Revolutionary/Empirical/Napoleonic France from the rest of Froggy history, I’m not sure if you could say that Napoleon was the “leader of the aggression” we know as the French Revolution. He had limited military commands (i.e., not in command of the bulk of the French forces) until 10 years after the storming of the Bastille. In fact, he spent the first four years of the Revolution in Corsica, until he was forced to flee to France in 1793.

In other words, in my view, the United States was more ruled by the leader of its revolutionary aggression than was Napoleonic France. Napoleon just came in and kicked a$$ after the nation was already established. Just my $0.02.

By way of edit: Napoleon also kicked butt with his commands before 1799, but he was not, until thne in command of all or even a majority of French forces.