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Old 06-08-2006, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PARAGON
I don't hold this as clearly true. He chose to end it and go back home once the fighting was over.

Washington resigned his commission as the Commander in Chief and was a citizen for a few years before being elected president. He went before the Continental Congress and resigned by laying down his sword.

Again, bear with my lack of historical knowledge, but Napoleon was bent on a revolt for personal gain, is my understanding. Which is why I was mentioning revolution.

The point of my question is, how many and what countries or whatever existed after aggression where the leader of the aggression was not the ruler. In other words, it was a selfish leadership, unlike in George Washington's case.

This is not a trick question or anything.... it's an honest question.

I think that the point of your question, if I understand it correctly, is something like:
In what instance was there:
(a) A violent overthrow of a nation's government; and
(b) The instigators of the violent takeover didn't not impose themselves as absolute rulers in the aftermath.

There probably aren't many. For one, we were the first real democracy in thousands of years. So, you can rule out much before 1776 for the simple fact that deposed governments before then were pretty much always replaced by an authoritarian ruler (monarch, dictator, emperor, etc ...). Usually, the guys who undertook the risk and effort to fight and unseat a sovereign ruler took power for themselves. Expansionism has been an unwavering principle of human history until very recently.
There might be a few examples.
(1) Although not as noble or novel as the American revolutionaries, the National Salvation Front forcibly deposed and executed the President of Romania, Nicolae Ceauşescu, in December 1989. They then basically took over things, but held democratic elections in the summer of 1990. Granted, the NSF won the elections, but, by all accounts, they were fair elections. So, not terribly dissimilar to the G.W. scenario where he commanded revolutionary forces and then became the resulting nation’s first president in short order.
(2) In A.D. 41, the leadership of the Roman Praetorian Guard (including Praetorian commander Cassius Chaerea) assassinated Emperor Caligula. Then, when members of the Roman Senate sought reinstatement of the Republic (pre-Caesar), the Praetorian leadership installed Claudius on the throne. Claudius was (wrongly) considered a dunce, and perhaps the Praetorian Guard (again wrongly) thought they could control them. They figured a controllable simple-minder Emperor was much better for them than the repercussions they would face if the Republic returned (loss of status, power, and perhaps their lives). In any event, The Praetorian Guard were the aggressors, and Claudius became the Ruler. He quickly consolidated power and imposed his will on the Praetorian Guard not the other way around. Thus, while the violent aggressors—the Praetorian Guard leadership--tried to take the power for themselves, and although they did, at least, retain their imperial powers, Claudius, who quickly came to control them, ruled Rome.

Not sure those count, and there are probably some others, but generally, the guys who do the deposing do the ruling and do so absolutely -- pretty much throughout history.

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