[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Sean K.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sean K.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
You are a complete and total ****ing idiot. Now you want to tell people they won't throw a bead at 12psi? Geezus!!!!!! Dude, you have talked out of your ass a little too much here. Why don't you STFU and read a little, maybe you will learn accurate facts and quit spouting the BS that some newbie will believe as truth.

As far as a gauge is concerned, don't use a tire gauge either, it's gimmicky.

It doesn't freaking matter on these trucks if you have 1 person extra or 5. Specs take a lot more than that into account and people's pucker factors are completely different. If the manufacturer says that it will go up to x% slope, then why the &#uck would you not get a gauge and figure out where that is.

Just damn. How old are you? Do you even have driver's license?

Again, your inability to comprehend the written word has caused you to fly off the handle. The surest sign of someone with no rational argument is when they resort to name calling.

I can back up my point, but I refuse to do so with someone who's acting like a child. Why do you think I haven't been responding to your other posts? I can assure you it's not b/c I don't have plenty of rebuttals for you.....it's b/c you're not worthy of the time.

When you can have an adult conversation, I'll be more than willing to discuss this with you. Until then, I'm sure you'll continue digging your own grave.

Sean </div></BLOCKQUOTE>back up what point? you can't backup anything you've as it applies here because you don't know anything about these vehicles.

You can't argue because you are wrong. The rest of it ancillary and it's obvious you focus more on it than anything to remotely to do with whether or not you are helping. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paragon,
I can only assume this is your attempt to discuss the issue like an adult.....what with the fact that you didn't call me any names above.

It strikes me as you're the type of guy who likes to argue for the sake of arguing, so I'll entertain your comments.

For example, I could say, "The planet we live on is called Earth" and you'd say "No, it's not". You wouldn't explain your reasoning....e.g. that in another language, the exact word might not be "Earth"....you'd just harp on about how stupid I am. Well, hopefully, you can see how counter productive that is.

So.....let's get down to it: what pressure do you recommend for a "general" trail pressure for the H3?

Obviously, we're not talking about running down the highway or even on fireroads....we're talking a trail pressure where: low range is going to be required to navigate the trail and tire pressure will be lowered from street pressure to optimize the ride quality over the ledges, rocks, roots, ruts, etc. and maximize traction.

As for your assertion that the H3 is somehow SOOOO different from any other vehicle that I couldn't possibly make a valid recommendation based on my experience: that's simply a load of crap. (Notice a few posts up where someone was running 14 psi all day with no issues????)

What's an H3 weigh? I'm guessing somewhere between 5-6K lbs. with passengers and gear, right? I'm assuming they also run something like a 16 or possibly a 17" wheel too, right?

So basically, we have a vehicle with a fairly even (60/40 or 55/45) weight bias f/r (depending on cargo)....are you trying to buffalo everyone here into believing that somehow it's so very different from other vehicles in the overall weight and weight distribution class that the tire pressure required will be different? If so, WHY????? What makes it different?

The reason I pointed out that you weren't reading what I was writing earlier, was b/c you seem to have missed this statement, "I'd say from my own experience that you should be able to go down to 12 psi without losing a bead.

That's my personal experience with A LOT of different vehicles with the same or similar sized tires on the same size rims.....including very close to the same overall weights and biases. I can give specific vehicle examples if required.

If you could explain to me why the H3 is so much different than all of these other vehicles, I'd love to hear your reasoning. Otherwise, I'm inclined to think your post was merely to try and engage in an argument.

As for the Level-O-Gauge or Clinometer (whichever term you prefer): If it's so "ancillary" as you stated, why even bring it up?

I'm sure you're familiar with the difference between % of grade and degrees. If an H3 is rated by the factory to handle a 40% grade, and the gauge used (I don't know how it's graduated) is in degrees, unless someone knows the conversion (and I'll bet many owners do not)....it isn't really that helpful. Do you disagree with that elemental statement?

Do you know how manufacturers come up with the sidehill % of grade? I'm not asking to act like a know it all.....I'm asking b/c I don't know if you know. If you'll bear with me, it'll become clearer.

Here's a pic of the kind of platform many manufacturers use to test sidehill threshold:



As you can tell from the pic.....it's a very static variable test. The problem with the gauges in the real world is the variables are much more dynamic....weight transfer, as well as cargo shifting, tire placement and uneven terrain will all come into play and that's not really the element in which the manufacturer's test was designed (unless you like wheeling on the sides of a drainage retention ditch like in LA ).

All I meant by my comment about clinometers was that they are not the be-all, end-all answer to whether or not your vehicle will roll over in a given situation.....I didn't mean the guy that was putting one in his rig felt that way, but there are people out there that do misunderstand it's application.

If you'd like to discuss it further, I can go into more detail with more examples, but I'm sure you can see what I was getting at now that I've explained it.

Sean

PS. I'm not sure if this post will set you off on another tirade....you'll probably say it's too long winded, etc. Whatever; I gave my explanation. That's all I can do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>actually I could employ my speedreading skills but my BS meter was going off too loudly.

You said and I quote "you should be able to go down to 12 psi without losing a bead." That's bad advice. As far as your 14 psi comment, I'll take the pictures and your definition of "trails" into consideration but more importantly, since you are so into math, let's understand something. Going from 14 psi to 12 psi is a huge change in tire pressure. NO? Just 2 lbs change might not mean much at 45 but in the teens that represents roughly a 15% change.

So, you are advising someone to run a pressure where they are VERY LIKELY to pop a bead should they wheel difficult terrain just because you don't think the weight has anything to do with it. It's really simple physics, you push a 6k lb vehicle into a rock with underinflated tires and the weight matters, dumbass.

As far as ancillary, you should try to pay attention. I'm referring to you being a dumbass, stupid, and quite the idiot, being ancillary.

I'm sure you thought you had a point about side slope, especially the part where you were insinuating other owner couldn't possibly be as smart as you. But frankly, again you showed your stupidity. And you were set up knowing you were going to be stupid about this one.

In fact I am very familiar with how slope percentage compares to angle of degrees. I junior high school too. Fact is, the approx 23 degrees that Hummer says is the safe amount of off camber is not even close to what it's safely capable of doing.

Can I ask something personal. Are you 12 years old?