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02-24-2005, 03:38 PM
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<H1 class=Headline>Changed VINs Can Disguise Stolen Vehicles</H1>
<DIV class=posted><TEXT id=txt_posted>POSTED:</TEXT> 8:48 am EST February 24,
2005</DIV>
<DIV class=updated><TEXT id=txt_updated>UPDATED:</TEXT> 11:28 am EST February
24, 2005</DIV>
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<DIV class=StoryBody><B class=Dateline>MERRITT ISLAND, Fla. --
[/b]Thieves are becoming even trickier about disguising stolen vehicles. That means even if you buy a car from a dealer, it could still be stolen.
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Everything about Krista and Edgar Urbina is new. They are newlyweds, with a new home in Merritt Island, and to make life complete, they wanted a new car, a yellow Hummer.
</P>They saw a used yellow Hummer for sale online, and it was cheap -- thousands of dollars under market value. The dealer was out of Rhode Island, and Krista and Edgar drove there to buy it.
</P>"We drove to our friend's house and were like, 'Look what we got. Look at this car. And that night we went on the town, and it was just amazing, to be honest with you," Edgar Urbina said.
</P>But five months later, they were amazed at the unbelievable turn of events. It all started when police spotted another Hummer for sale on the Internet. It was burned inside and out, but the last line of the ad really caught their eye. The vehicle identification number plate is not burned.
</P>Translation? VIN for sale.
</P>So why would anyone want to steal a VIN? Crooks buy and sell VINs for one reason only: to give stolen vehicles a whole new identity.
</P>Stolen cars are considered hot potatoes. They're hard to sell and risky to drive. If a police officer pulls you over, and they run the VIN, you're busted. So crooks have become very creative, and what happened to the Urbinas could happen to you.
</P>It turned out the Urbinas' beloved yellow Hummer had been stolen from a dealership in New Jersey, and the VIN was replaced. The crooks took the clean VIN number they bought from the owner of the burned out black Hummer and skillfully put it on the stolen yellow Hummer.
</P>"You can see the VIN plate right here. Wow. That's a professional job right there," a police officer said.
</P>The public VIN on the dash looked great, but the secret VINs didn't. They're usually stamped on by machine, but with the stolen yellow Hummer, the numbers were dotted on by hand.
</P>"They were like, 'We have to seize your vehicle,'" Edgar Urbina said.
</P>It was 3 a.m. when police hauled their yellow Hummer away. It was contraband, stolen property.
</P>"We were heartbroken. The next day we woke up, and I wasn't sure this had really happened. I looked outside my window, and the Hummer was gone," Edgar Urbina said.
</P>But guess what wasn't gone? Their car payments. Edgar and Krista still pay nearly $600 a month on a car that sits in a locked compound. The dealer washed his hands, claiming he didn't know it was stolen, and the Urbinas got no sympathy from their finance company. They owe $37,000.
</P>"It's terrible. Here we are having to put that money out, and we can't purchase another car because we still have this car payment on a vehicle we don't have," Krista Urbina said.
</P>But the story does have a happy ending. It turns out Rhode Island has a law: If a dealer sells a stolen car, the consumer gets a refund.
</P>The Urbinas got their refund last week and used it to buy another yellow Hummer.
</P>So what can consumers do to protect themselves? Before buying a used car, especially an expensive high-end car, get it inspected. Professionals can tell if a car has had the VIN changed. The inspection will cost money, but in the end, it could save a lot of heartache.</DIV></Table>
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02-24-2005, 03:38 PM
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<Table>
<H1 class=Headline>Changed VINs Can Disguise Stolen Vehicles</H1>
<DIV class=posted><TEXT id=txt_posted>POSTED:</TEXT> 8:48 am EST February 24,
2005</DIV>
<DIV class=updated><TEXT id=txt_updated>UPDATED:</TEXT> 11:28 am EST February
24, 2005</DIV>
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<DIV class=StoryBody><B class=Dateline>MERRITT ISLAND, Fla. --
[/b]Thieves are becoming even trickier about disguising stolen vehicles. That means even if you buy a car from a dealer, it could still be stolen.
</P>
</P>
Everything about Krista and Edgar Urbina is new. They are newlyweds, with a new home in Merritt Island, and to make life complete, they wanted a new car, a yellow Hummer.
</P>They saw a used yellow Hummer for sale online, and it was cheap -- thousands of dollars under market value. The dealer was out of Rhode Island, and Krista and Edgar drove there to buy it.
</P>"We drove to our friend's house and were like, 'Look what we got. Look at this car. And that night we went on the town, and it was just amazing, to be honest with you," Edgar Urbina said.
</P>But five months later, they were amazed at the unbelievable turn of events. It all started when police spotted another Hummer for sale on the Internet. It was burned inside and out, but the last line of the ad really caught their eye. The vehicle identification number plate is not burned.
</P>Translation? VIN for sale.
</P>So why would anyone want to steal a VIN? Crooks buy and sell VINs for one reason only: to give stolen vehicles a whole new identity.
</P>Stolen cars are considered hot potatoes. They're hard to sell and risky to drive. If a police officer pulls you over, and they run the VIN, you're busted. So crooks have become very creative, and what happened to the Urbinas could happen to you.
</P>It turned out the Urbinas' beloved yellow Hummer had been stolen from a dealership in New Jersey, and the VIN was replaced. The crooks took the clean VIN number they bought from the owner of the burned out black Hummer and skillfully put it on the stolen yellow Hummer.
</P>"You can see the VIN plate right here. Wow. That's a professional job right there," a police officer said.
</P>The public VIN on the dash looked great, but the secret VINs didn't. They're usually stamped on by machine, but with the stolen yellow Hummer, the numbers were dotted on by hand.
</P>"They were like, 'We have to seize your vehicle,'" Edgar Urbina said.
</P>It was 3 a.m. when police hauled their yellow Hummer away. It was contraband, stolen property.
</P>"We were heartbroken. The next day we woke up, and I wasn't sure this had really happened. I looked outside my window, and the Hummer was gone," Edgar Urbina said.
</P>But guess what wasn't gone? Their car payments. Edgar and Krista still pay nearly $600 a month on a car that sits in a locked compound. The dealer washed his hands, claiming he didn't know it was stolen, and the Urbinas got no sympathy from their finance company. They owe $37,000.
</P>"It's terrible. Here we are having to put that money out, and we can't purchase another car because we still have this car payment on a vehicle we don't have," Krista Urbina said.
</P>But the story does have a happy ending. It turns out Rhode Island has a law: If a dealer sells a stolen car, the consumer gets a refund.
</P>The Urbinas got their refund last week and used it to buy another yellow Hummer.
</P>So what can consumers do to protect themselves? Before buying a used car, especially an expensive high-end car, get it inspected. Professionals can tell if a car has had the VIN changed. The inspection will cost money, but in the end, it could save a lot of heartache.</DIV></Table>
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02-24-2005, 04:14 PM
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Hummer Messiah
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That sucks. Damn crooks.
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02-24-2005, 05:27 PM
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Hummer Professional
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Join Date: Nov 2002
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I got news for you---you don't need a law to have recourse against the dealer. The dealer can not pass title to a stolen vehicle because the dealer himself does not have title to pass, only the original owner from whom the vehicle was stolen has rightful title. So the dealer breached their warranty of title in the transaction. The dealer has recourse against whoever they "bought" it from.
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02-24-2005, 06:08 PM
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Hummer Expert
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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Being a retire Police Captain there is seveal places on a vehicle that the vin is marked, so if a vin is change out, there is another place on the vehicle so it can be ID by the Law Officer.
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02-24-2005, 07:19 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rhode Island
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I wonder who the Rhode Island dealer was? There is only one official Hummer dealer so it was probaly a used dealer.
Best bet is buyer beware, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
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