Projection HID headlights

[ROX]

Okay, I've searched and found out there are two disctinct types of HID headlights.

Projection H.I.D. lights and replacement HID headlights. Both now come with hi/lo beam features.

My question is, which one works the best?

I've searched the internet and found that a lot of these places don't exactly give a definition of a Projection HID system.

My search on the H2Source has revealed the best description (of course) about Delta HID lights.

Delta 7" HID Hi/Lo Headlamp System
SKU: DEL-HID



Direct replacements for 2 headlamp systems, this DELTA 7" Hi/Lo H.I.D. Headlamp is the most powerful H.I.D. light available producing 7,000 Kelvin that is 27% brighter than daylight. The headlamp offers H.I.D. in both high and low beam not available on any luxury vehicle vehicle. The headlamp features lead crystal lens with "E" Mark certified precision optics, steel-stamped reflector, optional "city light" and rubber boot to protect the optic unit from dust and moisture. Each system comes complete with (1) headlamp, (1) H.I.D. Burner, (1) Ballast, (1) Control Unit, power cables and mounting hardware for easy installation.

Sold in pairs.

Here is a pic and description of the Projection Headlights from Predator Motorsports.

Detailed Description
The most inovative light ever developed for a Hummer. We are proud to introduce a true HID high and low projection driving light set for your H2 Hummer. Our True Projection HID set offers 70% more light output on the road with a crisper beam pattern then possible from any other non HID Projection system in the world. Our Projection HID Driving Lights are DOT Tested, Certified and Approved. They have also been developed under strict SAE guidelines giving you, the owner of the finest 4wd vehicles in the world, the finest HID lighting system in the world. Additionally the HID Projection lamps offer greater visibility to the sides of the Hummer. Peripheral vision is dramatically enhanced because of a wider, brighter light pattern. When you can see more, you're less likely to have a sudden surprise on the road. To suite your style and taste we are offering our Projection HID lights sets in either Chrome or Black.

Could I get some feedback on these two different systems?

I tried the new bulb in the headlight assembly trick, and it just isn't doing any better. I'm thinking new lights all together will help. It gets very dark and rainy out here, and flipping on the PIAA's isn't exactly legal but MAN do they work good.

[ROX]

Okay, I've searched and found out there are two disctinct types of HID headlights.

Projection H.I.D. lights and replacement HID headlights. Both now come with hi/lo beam features.

My question is, which one works the best?

I've searched the internet and found that a lot of these places don't exactly give a definition of a Projection HID system.

My search on the H2Source has revealed the best description (of course) about Delta HID lights.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Delta 7" HID Hi/Lo Headlamp System
SKU: DEL-HID



Direct replacements for 2 headlamp systems, this DELTA 7" Hi/Lo H.I.D. Headlamp is the most powerful H.I.D. light available producing 7,000 Kelvin that is 27% brighter than daylight. The headlamp offers H.I.D. in both high and low beam not available on any luxury vehicle vehicle. The headlamp features lead crystal lens with "E" Mark certified precision optics, steel-stamped reflector, optional "city light" and rubber boot to protect the optic unit from dust and moisture. Each system comes complete with (1) headlamp, (1) H.I.D. Burner, (1) Ballast, (1) Control Unit, power cables and mounting hardware for easy installation.

Sold in pairs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is a pic and description of the Projection Headlights from Predator Motorsports.

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Detailed Description
The most inovative light ever developed for a Hummer. We are proud to introduce a true HID high and low projection driving light set for your H2 Hummer. Our True Projection HID set offers 70% more light output on the road with a crisper beam pattern then possible from any other non HID Projection system in the world. Our Projection HID Driving Lights are DOT Tested, Certified and Approved. They have also been developed under strict SAE guidelines giving you, the owner of the finest 4wd vehicles in the world, the finest HID lighting system in the world. Additionally the HID Projection lamps offer greater visibility to the sides of the Hummer. Peripheral vision is dramatically enhanced because of a wider, brighter light pattern. When you can see more, you're less likely to have a sudden surprise on the road. To suite your style and taste we are offering our Projection HID lights sets in either Chrome or Black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could I get some feedback on these two different systems?

I tried the new bulb in the headlight assembly trick, and it just isn't doing any better. I'm thinking new lights all together will help. It gets very dark and rainy out here, and flipping on the PIAA's isn't exactly legal but MAN do they work good.

[kodiakz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Reply </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Projection is far superior as it projects the light exactly where it is needed. Every euro and Japanese high end HID system is projection.

[VTSTOMPER]

Those projections are $$! But probably worth it if you want to go HID - do it right the first time.

[Beastmaster]

Here's my advice.

If you have the means to do so, get the projectors. The projectors are the absolute best way to do things.

The Delta HID's are very nice, but their color temp (7000K) actually reduces the amount of light you end up with. 7000K HID's puts out only 600 Lumens more than a stock 55w Halogen bulb, and would be about the same amount with an 80w halogen overwattage bulb.

For a good comparison, look at this page here:
http://24.248.84.138/hummers/headlig...visionplus.htm

Towards the bottom are some charts involving the color temp versus lumen output. Your most efficient HID setups (projectors or reflectors) will be in the 4200 to 5000k range. I run 5000K's on my truck. My wife's BMW is in the 4200K range.

FYI - Steve

[ROX]

Thanks!

According to the info in the link the projections are definitely the way to go. I've seen them on another H2; I love the way they look, and I've heard how wonderful they perform. I just wanted to get the latest news on this ever changing technology.

In case anyone was wondering, the projections run about $1150.00 from Predator Motorsports
,and the Deltas run $1600.00 from H2Source.

[DRTYFN]

Predator = OVERPRICED
They REALLY think a lot of their stuff.

[ROX]

Si, Si. Pablo says $700.00 at JP Customs. Mucho Bueno!

Muchas Gracias Amigos!

[md_sailor]

IMHO the Deltas are Crap.... I had 4 failures with them before giving up and returing them. While the product was sub-standard, the Customer service was excellent. btw their touted "Austrian Cut Crystal Lenses" are aysemmetrical and they send two lefts in the kit. I guess buying 2 seperate lenses (left AND right) or molds from the maunfacturer was too expensive.....

[md_sailor]

I hate when I post with typo's... I really can spell.... it's just that my brain and fingers dont sync up at times.....

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by md_sailor:
IMHO the Deltas are Crap.... I had 4 failures with them before giving up and returing them. While the product was sub-standard, the Customer service was excellent. btw their touted "Austrian Cut Crystal Lenses" are aysemmetrical and they send two lefts in the kit. I guess buying 2 seperate lenses (left AND right) or molds from the maunfacturer was too expensive..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Excellent feedback, even though you used the word CRAP. i Didnt notce any tipos ether. Thanks!

[dochummer]

How about these ones?

http://hidtech.com/projects/03h2.html

[Nixxxster]

NJ H2 has those on his H2, I think it the best looking.