Daytime running lights

[H3-o Hawaii]

Does anyone know of any place to buy a device that keeps the daytime-running lights off?
I had purchased a similar device off of ebay that worked great for my 2002 envoy, but cant seem to find them anywhere for the H3.
Aloha, H3-O

[H3-o Hawaii]

Does anyone know of any place to buy a device that keeps the daytime-running lights off?
I had purchased a similar device off of ebay that worked great for my 2002 envoy, but cant seem to find them anywhere for the H3.
Aloha, H3-O

[HummerNewbie]

Sorry, don't have answer for you but I curious why you would want to keep them off.

[HummerB]

dude you can turn the daytime lights off by turning the knob to the left and then releasing it. To turn them back on simply repeat process 1.

[DarthKarl]

Answer: Owner's manual page 3-14

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
Sorry, don't have answer for you but I curious why you would want to keep them off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would you want them off? It's called running in stealth mode, with a quality radar detector. Generally done on open highways at speeds considerably over posted limit, but it's a little more challenging to be low profile in a Hummer.

The solution on the H3 with the headlight switch DRL override works fine. Better than my Toyota Highlander where you couldn't turn off the DRLs.

S.

[ckhagman]

Why are they on anyway. The front lights are on and the rears are off. It defeats the purpose of a so called safety feature. But that is not me it is these websites.

http://www.motorists.com/issues/drl/

http://www.lightsout.org/

[fourfourto]

You do get a discount on insurance with the running lights.Also make sure you tell them you have on star recovery and factory alarm then you will get the full alarm discount.

DRL's have questionable benefits. In some cases such as rural 2 lane roads with high speed traffic and passing they can help oncoming drivers judge distances for safe passing. I personally don't care for them. But the H3's override switch solution is not bad. I rented a Camry once that had a separate position on the headlight switch for DRLs (complete manual control) and I preferred that.

If you have ever driven in Canada where all the new cars have DRLs, the traffic just becomes a sea of lights with no apparent benefit.

I don't think my CSAA insurance is giving me a break because of the DRLs on the H3.

S.

[f5fstop]

DRLs are a Canadian requirement. GM decided to go across the board with them a few years ago, since Canada's surveys indicated that they did reduce accidents. Another reason, the insurance industry like the idea, and I believe, it is less expensive to build the cars with the DRLs, they build them both ways; especially since they are incorporatig this feature in the BCM.
The BCM used on the H3, uses the same circuit for turn and DRLs making it hard, but not impossible to turn off the DRLs for good. It would require a few relays...

DRLs = big brother influence based on questionable studies.

I hope GM doesn't do DRLs across the board. But I wouldn't be surprised based on a constant stream of bad decisions.

S.

[Chip]

I don't want to be like all the other GM products that drive down the road with one signal light burned out. I try to switch the lights off all the time by switching the lights auto switch to the left. The only way I have found to keep them off is to do that after I put it in gear. If you forget if you have done that the only way to tell if there on or off is to out and look. Pisses me off.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chip:
I don't want to be like all the other GM products that drive down the road with one signal light burned out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point, what's the deal with all those GM trucks running around with one of their DRLs burned out. Can't GM get a light bulb that will last longer? Don't see this problem nearly as often with Toyota/Lexus vehicles that come with DRLs.

Be glad that at least the H3 has the manual override for the DRLs. Although I much prefer having to turn on the DRLs manually instead.

S.

[f5fstop]

First of all, as far as I know, they are across the board in all GM vehicles, and have been for a few years.
As for the burned out bulbs. The bulbs they were using ran too hot, and burned. They have replacement bulbs that run cooler, and if they went to a dealer while under warranty, they would be replaced.
Saturn had this problem with the ION, and when in TN, I was involved in the research and testing of bulbs. Notice, no more problems with the newer IONs or older ones if they had the bulb replaced with the new bulbs.
I guess when GM went across the board with DRLs and incorporated many in the turn signals, no one thought there was that much variance between bulbs and heat output. Well, we researched it and wow, there is considerable different in heat output in bulbs.

As for the constant stream of bad decisions, that might have been a big problem, but don't blame DRLs on bad decisions. Light on the front of a car during daylight does help to prevent accidents and allows a person to see another vehicle sooner. Run with them off, or run with them on, I and many others could care less. From some studies I have seen done by insurance companies, a big factor is also the color of the vehicle. So, stay away from gray, it is a dangerous color, or so they say.

Good to hear that GM figured out the bulb problem with DRLs although they should have done the long term testing BEFORE they production released the parts.

Yea we've seen the questionable studies. And I don't think we want insurance companies mandating the color of our vehicles or DRLs either. DRSs should be driver selectable or programable (like Mercedes does for example) to meet driver's needs or local regulations.


S.

[H3-o Hawaii]

I do not have a good reason for wanting the lights to saty off, but just dont like them on.
I know how to manually turn the lights off, I was looking for a way to turn them off automatically. I had purchased a device from ebay for a GM Envoy and installed it in minutes. I was looking for something like that for my H3.
I do remember a question on my insurance about the lights and I think there is a discount involved.
Aloha, H3-o

[ckhagman]

The reason that I do not like them is because it the rears are not on. Some manufactures have the rears on as well. In low light situations like rain, fog, snow etc. the people that have daytime lights do not put their lights on for the most part so the people behind them can not see them.

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ckhagman:
The reason that I do not like them is because it the rears are not on. Some manufactures have the rears on as well. In low light situations like rain, fog, snow etc. the people that have daytime lights do not put their lights on for the most part so the people behind them can not see them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And that is the reason that all GM cars now have auto lamps, so that when the light falls, the headlamps as well as taillamps come on. However, using a turn signal as the DRL tends to make people turn on their headlamps in low low light conditions if the sensor does not turn them on. If the headlamps are used as DRLs, as they are in some cars, I agree, many don't turn on their headlamps/park lamps to illuminate the rear lights.

To SanJoseH3

As for testing, I agree, maybe they should be tested, but they would have had to test every bulb manufactured by this one manufacturer. Seems the specs on that bulb vary greatly. In fact, that is why no all the bulbs burnt out, just some.
But as a GM employee, I have to admit I'm getting pretty sick and tired of GM bashing. Did GM do everything right? No, there is no company that does everything right. And for those who hate GM, why purchase their product? I'm sure if you were an informed consumer, you knew there were DRLs on this vehicle when purchased.

I had enough of this GM bashing on the Vette forum from Vette owners, and now it is starting on the Hummer forum. I might as well hang out at the known Chrysler employee bars in Auburn Hills MI.

To H3-o-Hawaii
Problem with the H3's DRLs as I prevously explained is the same circuits are used by the BCM for turn signals. Is there a way to bypass, yes, but it would take more than a connector. From a preliminary review of the schematics, it would take two relays and some cutting and splicing of the two front turn signal/DRL power wires.

Have fun debating the need for DRLs. I guess the next subject would be how GM screwed up the circuits by developing a BCM to control the DRLs and signals on the same circuits. I understand this was really a dumb thing to do, something they screwed up again, and an insult to the owners who wish to turn off DRLs. Go for it....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
[quote]To SanJoseH3

As for testing, I agree, maybe they should be tested, but they would have had to test every bulb manufactured by this one manufacturer. Seems the specs on that bulb vary greatly. In fact, that is why no all the bulbs burnt out, just some.
But as a GM employee, I have to admit I'm getting pretty sick and tired of GM bashing. Did GM do everything right? No, there is no company that does everything right. And for those who hate GM, why purchase their product? I'm sure if you were an informed consumer, you knew there were DRLs on this vehicle when purchased.

I had enough of this GM bashing on the Vette forum from Vette owners, and now it is starting on the Hummer forum. I might as well hang out at the known Chrysler employee bars in Auburn Hills MI.

To H3-o-Hawaii
Problem with the H3's DRLs as I prevously explained is the same circuits are used by the BCM for turn signals. Is there a way to bypass, yes, but it would take more than a connector. From a preliminary review of the schematics, it would take two relays and some cutting and splicing of the two front turn signal/DRL power wires.

Have fun debating the need for DRLs. I guess the next subject would be how GM screwed up the circuits by developing a BCM to control the DRLs and signals on the same circuits. I understand this was really a dumb thing to do, something they screwed up again, and an insult to the owners who wish to turn off DRLs. Go for it.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please don't consider it your responsibility to explain missteps by GM, the executive team has a plenty of explaining to do there. No this is not a GM bashing forum, I think it's an H3 forum usually, with funny pictures and porn mixed in. And I know what it's like to work for a struggling company, been there too.

But we can be critcal of specific items like DRLs when justified.

Yes I bought the H3 knowing it had DRLs. And I commend the engineers for giving us the override feature on the switch, better than my last Toyota setup.

Remember many H3 buyers (like myself) traded in a non-GM vehicle. There were no other GM products that were even remotely considered in the buying decision. I think GM did a great job of letting the Hummer engineers really do their jobs on the H3, instead of rebadging another pushrod powered mediocre rental car. The type of fresh thinking and thorough engineering on the H3 can surely be applied to other divisions in a positive way.

I made my point with DRLs, sb driver-selectable or programmable to meet local regulations.

S.