Warn 9.5ti Winch Good deal!

[BKLYNH2]

I just purchased a winch for a great deal(as far as I've seen) and wanted to share with everyone else that might be looking.
I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at hte factory. The source is gowarn the part # is WAR32963. This is a brand new option and may not be up on the site yet. If you go to the winch mounting options page select, HummerH2 this page displays a different contact phone # which seems to work better. Call them for ordering this set up and they can set you up with anything else you'll need

[andkon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
I would be happy to apologize if I'm wrong, but if I'm not why don't you go play with Andkon, somewhere else!
Peter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Excellent, dissent stirred among the masses.]

[Detonate]

Hmmm, that part number seems to be for the KIT,CABLE,W/ INTRPT,175A - $109.95

http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR32963

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[BKLYNH2]

There are a few recent threads on winches which should answer your questions. It seems to me that you are almost as likely to screw your H2 up with the 9000 as you are with the 9500. My rationale for the ti is that it provides you with feedback on the heat of the motor while in use. Motor heat will give you an indication of how hard you are working the winch which is related to the force you are applying. More importantly it should prevent you from burning out the motor on the winch. I am not an expert in winches(nor do I play one on TV), I have however burned out many electrical motors, similiar to winch motors, on other machinery. I would rather pay $100 or so more now, to protect myself from turning my $800+ investment into garbage because I overworked it.
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[Skulz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>9.5ti Multi-Mount Kit includes winch, remote, carrier, 7.5' power lead with quick connect plug for front of vehicle and hawse fairlead. Front receiver and rear power lead sold separately.
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So you wanted a roller fairlead in addition to the hawse? I had to reread that a few times.

So besides the multimount and the rear power, do I need to purchase anything else? A roller fairlead?

Oh, I talked to the red letter warn dealer and will probably give my business to them instead of gowarn.

I'd still like to know what all I should get though.

Thanks for the replies.

-Skulz

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Daddy:
Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't ordered from them, so I don't know for sure, but the regular multimount from Warn has the horizontal and I would think that Hummer Solutions simply pops the vertical hole in themselves. I am seriously considering selling my current winch and going with the 9.5ti. For me it is an aesthetics thing and call me crazy, but I like the way the 9.5ti looks.

[Hummer Man]

Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"

[Detonate]

Hope you get it straightened out!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[Skulz]

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Daddy:
Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I haven't ordered from them, so I don't know for sure, but the regular multimount from Warn has the horizontal and I would think that Hummer Solutions simply pops the vertical hole in themselves. I am seriously considering selling my current winch and going with the 9.5ti. For me it is an aesthetics thing and call me crazy, but I like the way the 9.5ti looks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm kicking myself for this one. It is my own fault for not looking at both of the receivers. Pretty much there will be a need for either a vertical or horizontal hole drilled if you want to go the multimount route.

Still, you have all provided a great amount of information on the subject of winches and I'm appreciative!


-Skulz

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skulz:
"So you wanted a roller fairlead in addition to the hawse? I had to reread that a few times. So besides the multimount and the rear power, do I need to purchase anything else? A roller fairlead? Oh, I talked to the red letter warn dealer and will probably give my business to them instead of gowarn. I'd still like to know what all I should get though. Thanks for the replies."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Skulz,

Wise choice in my opinion. Call Warn Inc. directly and speak to any representative. Ask them if gowarn is an authorized dealer. I truly regret dealing with them. I frequently buy things from internet merchants. Generally speaking it is a very good way to save money. After doing business with the rude and obnoxious people at gowarn, I realized that I had made a huge mistake. You can bet that I will NOT make the same mistake twice, and forums like the H2Forum are really useful for exposing disreputable merchants like gowarn.

Overcharging, not refunding, not shipping and not supporting their sales? Not a good record if you ask me...

By the way, I replaced the brand-new 5/16 steel cable with X-Line synthetic cable and replaced the roller fairlead with an aluminum hawse from Off Road Only.

If you're interested in either of these, they were never used and I will sell them cheap.

Ed

[TheGoodHummerMan]

In my experience, all companies occassionally have isolated problems where things go totally wacky. But, I think that when the GoWarn.com "supervisor" stated that they were only making fifty bucks and couldn't be worried with my problem is indicative of a more insidious attitude.

The fact that you will be getting the properly configured 9.5ti winch should make a LOT of difference...

I really hope that your transaction goes as it should --- smoothly and with no problems at all.

That this internet company didn't just send me a replacement at no charge is regrettable. I'm afraid it is the price I will pay for trying to get a good deal... At this point, I can honestly say that I do not feel like I have been dealt with fairly or equitably. Maybe it's just me?

Ed

[Skulz]

Ed,

I think I'll probably doing business with the red letter warn dealer. I have a catalogue for Warn stuff and the pictures are deceiving in size! I'm waiting to hear back from the warn dealer on some information, but I might be interested in your roller fairlead. Don't hold it on my account though!

I'm glad H2Girl got a good deal from gowarn. I know they (gowarn) aren't an authorized dealer as was mentioned in previous postings. I'm the type of person that needs good service on this stuff, and that is what I based my decision on. I usually go with internet sales, but this is one of the exceptions.

-Skulz

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hummer Man:
"Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??"
"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By "WINCH BUMPER", do you mean a sharp, uncomfortable pain in the ass attributed to buying a defective winch from a disreputable company? If so, then yes, I certainly do have one...

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 04/18/03 - #1 H2 SITE"

[cinci]

Ed,

Thank you very much for the advice on placement for the solenoid. I will look at that when I get home tonight.

HummerSolutions appears to be a very good outfit. While I wasn't aware of them prior to purchasing the winch, when I was looking for the X-Line I found that they have the best price and I ordered from them. They were very knowledgeable and helpful on the phone. They also carry additional parts that they haven't been able to list on their website yet. So if you are looking for something from one of the companies that they carry I would recommend that you give them a call even if you don't see it listed on their sight.

Thanks,
David
Black H2

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Skulz,

Warn released the 9.5ti winch a few months ago. It comes without a multi-mount bracket and has 72" leads for connecting to your vehicle's battery.

Warn has also announced that they have a multi-mount model, complete with the short leads and a quick-connect adaptor. However, it is NOT available at this time. Maybe tomorrow? Maybe July 3rd?

After speaking directly with a represenative at Warn Inc. I was told that the 9.5ti winch was a major improvement and development and that it includes very special seals to protect the winch when it gets wet, as winches have been known to do. He also told me that disassembly of the 9.5ti winch to switch cables would invalidate the warranty and probably ruin the seals leading to premature winch failure. Of course, maybe this is not true? Maybe the people who manufacture these winches don't know what they are talking about, but the unauthorized sales outlet, gowar.com knows better?

I would suggest that you listen to the RED letter dealer! The price they are quoting you is about the same as what gowarn ripped me off for and I would suggest that you will be much better off dealing with a reputable dealer.

Gowarn.com charged me full shipping even though it was supposed to be free. They then refunded $45 for shipping which meant I only paid about half price for shipping. But it sure wasn't free as they advertised. They also did not ship the quick-connect cables to me. They didn't even know what they were until I called and told them. I had to drive 120 miles to the closest repuatble dealer and pay over $30 for the quick-connects out of my pocket. Gowarn never reimbursed me for this.

Finally, after getting everything wired up, the winch was defective. I had to make two additional 120 mile trips to get it fixed. Gowarn's comment? "Tough ****." Sorry for the language, but that is the direct quote. They went on to explain to me that they only made 50 bucks on the deal and had no intentions of being helpful or adjusting my price or send me the quick-connect cable it was supposed to come with and that I paid for.

If H2Girl likes her service from gowarn, good for her. But doing business with a company with this type of attitude is risky indeed! Caveat Emptor!

Ed

[BKLYNH2]

In the end my experience lies somewhere between Ed and H2Girl.
First H2Girl are you sure you got the 9.5ti winch with multimount? I ask this because after I got my a la carte version Gowarn told me the package was not yet available. secondly the 9.5ti winch comes with a roller fairlead and should not be an extra charge. It sounds like you got the 9000i. While I can't explain the roller fairlead it is possible that they are having their dealers assemble the whole thing due to the complaints they have been getting.

Please read the thread from the beginning to find out what happened to me, as far as what I ordered and what I got. While I do not want to recommend this company based on their customer service, I believe that this is still the cheapest deal out there for this winch. Prepared with the info on this thread and a few others on how to wire the winch, I think the cost is still worth the aggrevation. I also had to remind gowarn to credit me for shipping, and also be sure to compare their pricing on the winch accessory kits to other sites, because they may stick it to you there.
If you decide to order through them and get the a la carte version like I did( not by choice) here are some tips:
First take out the winch, place it on something high next to the H2 and connect the leads on the winch to your battery. Connect the winch remote and run the winch cable out about 8 feet and back in again. This will ensure that you were sent a working winch, before you modify anything that will make a return a problem. Please keep your hands away from the cable spool when doing this as winches are good at removing fingers.
Now if you have a working winch check all the boxes to make sure that you also got: The multi mount frame, two sets of power leads with quick connect plugs attached, and a package containing two quick connect plugs one of which will be for putting the quick connect end on the leads already on the winch. If you ordered the 9.5ti multimount package these are the items they should(and did) send. FYI if you order the wiring kit for the rear, order the twenty foot set which in my case came with the solenoid disconnect to terminate power from battery to winch with a switch. Take the shorter power leads with disconnect and through it away, you do not need or want to jeprodize the warranty when there is an easier way. I assembled the winch on the multimount and then brought the winch and wiring and plug kit to gas station service shop next door. I brought them a print out of the thread on the site re. wiring for the rear and explained that they had to cut the leads coming off the winch at an approriate length and attach the quick connect plug. They did everything wiring, front and back and solenoid switch for 150$. I think it was well worth it.
Hope this helps you make up your mind.

[H2 Daddy]

Cincih2

I did not want to mess with my H2's electrical system so I had Warn winch system installed by the dealer. They mounted the solenoid on the plastic cover shield of the truck's computer. See photo. The switch was mounted in the overhead counsel. The switch location is convenient and look stock.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"I did get my set included in my deal so maybe this experience is turning out better than I thought."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Peter,

Is that salt you are rubbing in my wound?

Ed

[H2 Daddy]

Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"Ok the winch and stuff arrived today. It was _NOT_ as described. Everything is seperate not premounted on the multimount and not with the quick connect already attached. I called GO warn as expected I got a recording. Personally I don't care about mounting it. I am concerned about removing the power leads (red in particular) and therfore messing up the seal. Can anyone tell me if this is something to be concerned about?
Anyway I apologize for posting this thread as a good deal when it apparently is not without its far share of aggrevation.
Peter-"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Peter, I should have posted my experiences earlier? Maybe we have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit?

Do NOT disassemble the Warn 9.5ti as instructed by the paperwork you received from gowarn... Call Mike McEwen (or probably ANYONE else) at Warn Corporation and he will set you straight about how the winch will be seriously damaged if you do attempt this. From what he told me, this winch is a brand new and IMPROVED design which involves new seals that vastly improve the protection of the winch's components and disassembly by non-trained persons WILL definitely damage these seals.

I will not advise you on what to do, but I can say that I wish that I had simply contacted my credit card company upon receipt of the shipment from GoWarn. They failed to ship me the item I ordered and as far as I am concerned, notwithstanding ANY statements on their website, they should not ONLY pay for the return shipping charges --- but should compensate me for their failure to complete the order as agreed.

I have in the past refused shipments, and had the company send a pick-up order for the faulty/incorrect products. In which case, I simply repacked the items and set them out for the UPS driver.

In my case, I have already modified the winch, something you "might" want to do? I bought the quick-disconnect plugs (cost about $35) and cut the two battery leads that were attached to the winch and then crimped on the plug. Very simple to do if you have the proper tools. Plus to red, negative to black... Fool proof even for me. The price you paid is even lower that the price I paid, so if you MIGHT decide to just keep it?

Of course, you might also discover that your winch is defective? Maybe you too have "blown the solenoids"? Although, I would "guess" that would be carrying the law of probabilities awfully far? I'd bet yours is fine... Wanna bet?

I think that once I get the winch back and it is operational, I will attempt, one last time, to reach a mutually agreeable compromise on this matter with GoWarn. I do NOT have any illusions that such will be possible, given their previous attitudes, and if need be, I will be contacting my credit card company and contesting the charge. At that point, maybe a third-party will be able to arbitrate and work out a fair arrangement?

I just talked to the repir shop in Tampa, and the serviceman told me that a wire inside the winch had gotten pinched during assembly and that he had repaired it by splicing the wire. He said that to "correctly" repiar it, he could order a new wiring harness which might take a couple of weeks to get in. More problems...

Sorry again that you found out the hardway about this company...

Ed