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12-23-2003, 12:21 PM
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And so it begins......
Feds to Tighten Fuel Rules
We have a nice shot of the SUT there. Why are HUMMERs always the first ones to be picked on? Or is that obvious?
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12-26-2003, 04:21 PM
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Here we go again. Someone who thinks he knows everything or some things about H2, goes openning his mouth before consulting with his momma. Because no one else wants to explain it to, neither am I. Fat Slob, go play at the playground for the slow kids. You're not wanted here!
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12-24-2003, 02:28 PM
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Why HUMMER?
To the Moon with 'em, Alice!
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12-24-2003, 11:23 AM
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great thread...
"Life is tough... tougher if you’re stupid." "Just think, right now, all over the world there are people exercising bad judgment. Somebody, right this minute, is probably making the mistake of his life
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12-23-2003, 01:05 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KenP:
H2 does not weight 8500lbs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They are referring to the GVWR.
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12-23-2003, 06:32 PM
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Oh great moderator, I do hesatate to disageree here but when you say <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Diesel engines have been proven to get substantially better mileage AND lower/cleaner emmissions as well <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What do you mean? Diesels are filthy engines, and there are currently three, yes only 3 engines that meet post 2005 emissions laws anywhere in the world. One is Volvo, one is Mercedes-Benz, and one is Mitsubishi-Heavy Truck. No others emit the small amount of sulfur that is allowable in the US after the 2005 Model Year. Isuzu is working on the next generation Duramax, and it is (according to rumor) going to be available on 05 or maybe 06 GM vehicles, but current diesel engine technology is filthy with Nitrogen Oxide (NOx).
The rant starts here.  Many thanks to Car and Driver editor in chief Casba Csere for suppling the majority of the real rant! For a link to the whole article that I lifted parts of, go to th bottom of this rant.
NOx is one of the major precursor emissions to smog. The federal Tier 2 emissions standards, which began their five-year phase-in in 2004, will cut allowable NOx emissions by 75 percent to 0.05 gram per mile per vehicle. NOx is created during peak combustion temperatures and pressures, and since diesels run compression ratios roughly double those of gasoline engines, they have trouble meeting this standard. This lofty compression ratio, however, is also one of the key factors behind the diesel's high efficiency. Another component of diesel efficiency is lean combustion, which precludes the use of the three-way catalysts that control NOx so effectively in gasoline engines.
Particulate emissions are the black haze that we see in diesel exhaust, especially from heavy trucks operating at full power. The color comes from tiny particles of soot produced during combustion. It's a problem inherent with diesels because the fuel is injected directly into the combustion chamber at the end of the compression stroke and has very little time to mix with the air in the cylinder. By contrast, in a gasoline engine, the fuel is injected while the air is rushing into the cylinder during the intake stroke and can disperse even farther during the compression stroke. Even though diesels burn lean overall, without this opportunity for thorough mixing, there are invariably tiny pockets of rich mixtures, which generate soot.
Modern diesel injection systems—similar to gasoline electronic fuel injection except that they operate at a fuel pressure of 20,000 psi rather than 50 psi—have greatly reduced this soot generation. Still, the Tier 2 standards mandate a maximum particulate emissions level of 0.01 gram per mile, which no current diesel can meet. To solve this problem, the industry has been fooling around with particulate traps for years. These devices sift the soot from the exhaust and periodically burn it off. But getting these filters to operate for 100,000 miles has been a major challenge.
Furthermore, environmentalists have been calling for even stricter particulate standards. The current Tier 2 limit applies to particles of soot larger than 10 microns. That's four ten-thousandths of an inch, or about one-fifth the thickness of human hair. But there's talk of including particles as small as 2.5 microns. This would exacerbate the particulate problem exponentially.
This utter rejection of diesels by U.S. environmentalists is in stark contrast to attitudes in Europe, where the diesel has been accepted with open arms. About one-third of the new cars and light trucks sold in Europe are purchased with diesel engines—a choice undoubtedly motivated by the fuel costs in Europe of $4 to $5 a gallon. Moreover, upcoming European NOx and particulate limits are four to ten times higher than ours will be. European diesel fuel is also better, with significantly lower sulfur content and higher cetane (a measure of a fuel's affinity for ignition, it's the opposite of octane).
European environmentalists, who are numerous enough to support powerful Green parties in several countries, seem to accept these concessions for diesels. They feel the diesel's benefits in reduced fuel consumption, and the associated CO2 emissions, outweigh the potential health effects of their particulate emissions. Then again, the Europeans have barely discovered no-smoking sections in restaurants.
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12-24-2003, 11:52 AM
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It seems everyone wants to make an issue of gas mileage with the Hummer H2 just because you can tell just by looking at this vehical that it will not get 20 MPG. My previous vehical before I bought my H2 was a 2001 Dodge 5.9l V8, 1500 4x4 Quad Cab with the "Off Road" package. It was a beautiful truck but it didn't do anything well and it got consistantly 10-11 MPG on the highway. I complained to the dealer about the gas mileage and he replied all "Off-Road" packages are that way because they have a 4:10 axle ratio. The Dodge Ram is the Number 3 best selling vehical in the world. They have sold and continue to sell millons of these super gas guzzlers but people still single out the low production Hummer. AT least now with my H2, I get a little bit better gas mileage, I can tow my trailer, I have a much more capable vehical off road and I really enjoy driving my car. So to those who think Hummers are going to destroy the world I say take your battle elsewhere. It's not the Hummer thats causes you so much grief, you just need a kick ass looking vehical that everyone wants and talks about but few can afford so people will read your stories! Hummers draw attention "Like Nothing Else"!
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12-24-2003, 10:53 AM
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Diesel just looks dirty. How come CARB (the governing body of the EPA for fueling standards) has not went after diesel like it has with gasoline. How come there is no ORVR requirements for diesel.
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12-24-2003, 04:23 PM
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How many MPGs does a cow get? You know there are a lot of animal farts in the world that contribute to the the greenhouse effect. The environment is just one price we'll have to pay for being a highly industrialized nation. OHHHH!!! What about all those third world countries buring cow dung, Mexico's burning season, hairsprays, aerosols, cigarettes, paper mills, 18-Wheelers, and the list goes on. By the way automakers do have the technology to build clean burning energy efficient vehicles, there is a small thing called lack of government regulations and lack of demand for these particular models. And do not forget the ever popular halitosis theory. Yeah some of you guys and gals will be getting toothpaste, mouthwash and some dental floss for Christmas. If your breath smells like your ass...you have a major malfunction.
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12-26-2003, 05:27 PM
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Fat slob,
although I have no respect for some of those who contradict you, I must say : how can you compare an H2 with a tahoe off-road? Clearly you have never been off-road! The approach and departure angles of the H2 make it superior to any other production vehicle available, other than the rubicon or H1.
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12-23-2003, 01:54 PM
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I am all for the environment. I volunteer to plant trees every year in parks, at high schools and other places. Plus I recycle when possible. However, I don't think it right to target people and businesses who have the money to purchase these vehicles. Tree HUGGERS: GO AWAY!
You guys are doing your part to help the economy. Some make it seem like HUMMER is a Martian and they're here to take over Planet Earth. Run fo' yo' livez!
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12-26-2003, 06:46 AM
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Yeah...and the Porsche 911 Carrera is just a VW bug with a different body as well. 
This chump isn't even worth getting the flame-thrower out for.
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12-27-2003, 04:12 AM
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btw gang...
I'm pretty sure this Fat-Slob guy was just a hit&run poster who we'll never see again. That or he found a new all-you-can-eat buffet down the street!
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12-25-2003, 08:37 AM
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The hummer, albeit very sleek for an "all terrain" vehicle is simply just a Chevy Tahoe. It has the Chevy Tahoe chassis with a different (fancier) skin. Don't get me wrong. I am a big fan of the original hummer. That is a fantastic vehicle. But they took all the hummer outta the hummer! C'mon guys! Total poseur! You can essentially buy the H2 for 20 thousand cheaper by just buying it with the different name. It'll most assuredly go wherever the H2 could go (as if any yall orv anyway)
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12-26-2003, 01:05 AM
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Being that it is Christmas and all, I'm feeling kinda bad for Fat Slob. People who are indifferent about the H2 or truly think it's a "poser" vehicle don't spend time reading, registering and posting on an H2 forum.
Fat Slob is clearly a troubled individual filled with self doubt, insecurity and envy. He's the kind of guy who would love to have a Hummer but isn't man enough achieve his wants. Instead, he lashes out and attempts to destroy any and all evidence of his inadequacies and will discredit anything he can think of that might give light to all that he is not. "H2 is a Tahoe." All this as he drives around in the car that he despises but tries to convince everyone including himself that he loves.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heward Jablowme:
Why thank you Drag, I try to post negatives from both sides of the spectrum.
"The person who said money isn't everything...never had any!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you're going to try for a funny name at least get it right!! It's Haywood not Heward.
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12-24-2003, 01:17 PM
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The sad reality is that if H2's got 20mpg and the rest of cars out there got 40mpg, the H2's would still be under fire. These liberal ecoweenies just need somehting to bitch about to justify their exsistance. Great point on the Dodge Ram truck.
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12-24-2003, 10:15 PM
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Hello all. This topic really only comes down to ONE thing. Everyone has the choice to purchase whatever type of vehicle they want, within reason. Dont like it, dont buy it! But sure as hell dont TELL me what I can and can not buy!!
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12-26-2003, 02:36 AM
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Welcome fat slob.
Now go find momma.
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12-24-2003, 02:34 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Why HUMMER? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because it's a symbol of conspicuous consumption, that's why. Plus, these eco-wenies don't like the fact that something that goes so visibly against their goal of "Anything but the automobile" is so damn popular. Let's face it, people love the H2, even people who don't own one. It's a love it or hate it proposition no matter what. Either that, or they're compensating for being so....."small".....in other areas
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