Torsion Bar adjustment bolts

[PARAGON]

Anyone else have torsion bar adjustment bolts adjusted so differently. My passenger side is adjusted all the way up and the driver's side is adjusted all the way out (or, if even possible, backed out)

[PARAGON]

Anyone else have torsion bar adjustment bolts adjusted so differently. My passenger side is adjusted all the way up and the driver's side is adjusted all the way out (or, if even possible, backed out)

[PARAGON]

I made very quick and potentially highy inaccurate measurements by measure the top of each wheel well. Side to side is the same front and back, but the front is less than 1/4" lower than the back. Not enough difference to be noticeable and I looked for it when you posted originally about making the changes.

I guess the thing bugging me in the back of my mind is that the truck seems to sit normal right now, but the torsion bar adjustments are polar opposites. Makes me wonder about frame or other problems. Also the one bolt "looks" backed out because the threads are different but again the truck seems to sit normal. The driver's side "key" looks to be resting on the torsion bar and the bolt is not engaging it at all, so the bar isn't really loaded.

Oh well, I'll find out today or tomorrow and if they have to replace the torsion bar, maybe they can get one in before the weekend.

I can just about be positive it hasn't always been like this (had it for about 20 months). I like to crawl under and just look from time to time (all vehicles) and this was way to noticable for me to have missed it before.

[PARAGON]

I took the rig back to the dealer today. They are replacing the right torsion bar and the tech came out and ask if it was still banging on the left, "yes it is, even worse."

No one has any ideas what that might be except for the left torsion bar but I could find where the bar was hitting anywhere. Getting the fuel filter changed, a service done and the air suspension looked at. Hopefully I will get it back tomorrow with some answers.

[PARAGON]

I have the rear air suspension and the truck has been sitting still for 2 or 3 days, so the front to back measurement doesn't mean very much.

[cinci]

Paragon,

After reading some of Phil's posts I adjusted mine up approximately four turns per side to level out, front to back measured under the front to rear rocker bars, the truck. I didn't notice any difference in the handling and was expecting a stiffer ride but haven't noticed much difference. My bolts were only off about one turn from side to side.

Phil,

From reading your post it appears that you have acquired a set of 37s . Inquiring minds want to know, what flavor did you buy?

[cinci]

Paragon,

Your description of the tire getting light after going over a bump is exactly what I am experiancing. Please keep me informed on what you find and I will be talking to my dealer on Friday morning.

[PARAGON]

The dealer here has 2 good techs also. I haven't spoke to either one of them, only the service rep.

I don't know about the idler/pitman situation. There are three (that I know of) that had the problem show up in the last week.

[PARAGON]

Well, we had a happening today at an off road park. We haven't had rain this month so it was extremely dry when most of the year it stays extremely muddy. The dealership puts on these happenings and come to find out most of the owners that show up are somewhat timid and don't want to do very much on the trail. Also, some there today had brand new rigs and were not ready to do anything very bad.

I didn't do much either. We rode one short trail and my driver's side front suspension started banging. Not knocking, not popping...banging. I could feel it in my feet and it was coming from the driver's side and felt like the frame was being hit with a hammer. When I took the rig in earlier this week the service tech said they were replacing the passenger side because it was weak. There was another service tech there today who took off steps and was there for support. He took a look and couldn't find anything wrong or anything loose. Jacked up the front end and the driver's torsion bar was still loaded. He took it for a spin and luckily had the bang happen for him.

This was early in the ride so it made me apprehensive to do much else, especially with my illness, having my wife, 3 year old daughter and 1 year German Shepherd all with me. We did get some video from the dashcam of most of the ride and of some 4wheelers in a bad hole and some Jeepers that were there. I will post that some time next week.

To top that off, after the happening was over a couple of us stayed and rode around watching the 4wheelers and Jeeps. I filmed a H1 going through a mud hole and then decided to follow hoping my front end would stay together. We went through fine but then a few minutes after that my Service Air Suspension notice comes on.

I gave up and headed home.

[FrgMstr]

Here are pics I just went and snapped of mine. They have never been adjusted to my knowledge.

[SOFTTAILJC]

any time you move torsion bars u must have frontend aligned....did mine at tire place to level out truck for bigger tires ....3turns on one side almost 4 on the other, that put the toe out 7/32's....but the up side the truck rides better than stock .. i felt the diff right away... i'll have pics soon like i promised jason... as soon asi fig out digg camera.......soft........

[cinci]

Paragon,

Is the banging on the drivers side only when you go over rough bumps? I have started having a banging sound also on the drivers side almost under my feet. I only hear it when I hit very rough bumps. It sounds like something heavy hitting the frame.

My truck is going in on Friday to have the idler arms looked at. The truck pulls to the right badly on acceleration and the steering wheel is not longer centered.

I also noticed the tires toeing in badly coming up one of the rock ledges this past week end when my girl friend was driving. This appears to be the same problem that Det had.

[PARAGON]

Mine have never been adjusted. I was taking off my side steps for this coming weekend and happened to notice the bolt. Some of the top threads on the bolt seem to be "cleaner" than the bottom ones so it would seem the bolt backed out, BUT those bolts are under some big pressure created by the torsion bars, so one would think backing out would be difficult.

I called and spoke to the local dealer's Hummer service guy and he wants me to bring it in since both bolts are adjusted so far apart. By the way, I put a quick measuring tape to the front end and there does not seem to be much difference in height from side to side.

My luck they will have to order a new torsion bar and I won't get to go to the Happening this weekend.

[FrgMstr]

the other

[PARAGON]

David,

I got no update on my truck today and it's still there. Hopefully I'll get it back tomorrow and will post as soon as I know what they did to fix it.

[FrgMstr]

I was pretty impressed with the 37" BFG MTs, none out of the five required more than 7oz to balance.

[PARAGON]

They still have it, I get it back tomorrow. I could have gotten it some time yesterday but I am generally out at my farm fri and sat so I told them I would pick it up tomorrow. Besides they said they thought it would be done yesterday.

Friday afternoon they still had to put it back together, adjust the ride height and then do the alignment. I still don't know the end results yet.

[PARAGON]

I agree. And the service tech's note said something to the effect of "very weak right torsion bar." Bugs me the most is that this has apparently been this way from day one and I am just now catching it. I know I have crawled under and just laid there for 30 minutes or so 4 or 5 times. Not doing anything to it, just looking. I don't know why I do it, hell, I forget half of what I saw. But this was so obvious that I can't believe I missed it before.

[Navigator]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
Yes, I could resist the temptation no longer and bought some SSR's.
None of the regular tire places can balance them or do an alignment, so I'm taking it in to a CGR Truck Center tomorrow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Phil,
Let me know how the balancing goes, I normally have a good friend with a 4x4 shop do mine but hes 300 miles away and I wont get down there till May.
He has a good write up on balancing if your interested.

[PARAGON]

I got a little more info on my torsion bars. They are only going to replace the passenger side bar. Apparently it was a weak bar to begin with and for the truck to sit correctly it's adjustment bolt had to be screwed all the way in. There is no explanation as to why the driver's side was screwed so far out. But the z heights are correct and it appears to be aligned. We'll see what they come up with next week when the put the new torsion bar in.