Ocean City Maryland beach hummer accident

[H2Finally]

Hummoron, blaming is human nature. For instance, you are blaming us, for blaming those incompetent rescuers.

Pushing the limit is also human nature. For example, hundreds of people die each day driving pass the speed limit.

These were not the issue. The issue is your incredibly insensitive, immature, irresponsible attitude. Freedom of speech does not excuse you from being an *******.

*******.

[beachinJeeper]

Okay, since the moderator is apparently going to close my account, this is probably close to if not my last post on the subject, but have enjoyed my brief stay here, and mostly see intelligent posts on the accident, even though obviously differring views, and appreciate the mostly civil nature of the replies here. That said, I will try and shed a little more light before being booted.

During the striper run at AI, it is usually only fishermen out on the beach at night, and as said, many of us are out there 2-3 days at a time. From personal experience it seems at night there is usually two or three rangers on duty during the night (probably more scheduled come June when the tourists and school kids arrive, but that is when most of us fishermen find other spots until mid September).

Generally, before dark, most of us find our night time fishing spot and for the majority stay until it gets light out, so patrolling the beach is a fairly easy deal.

Now, as stated before, and know little about GPS, andnot knowing the need of the OnStar operator to give seconds in the co-ordinates, which apparently were not given, and using mapquest, best I could do, seems the co-ordinates give locations from just west of Berlin, MD into the ocean.

Another thing I thought of is "where actually was the vehicle found"? Might have been in the State portion of the Park, and maybe the rangers did check the National Park area, finding nothing, if just driving up and down near the water's edge, might take an hour and a half or so.

Like I said, does not appear all facts have been release about this event, so we are only coming up with scenerios as to the hows, whats and whys.

Anyhow, thanks for letting me share, though to many, my opposing thoughts, and in closing, drive responsible and smartly, because whether Hummers or Jeeps, we are all off roaders, so same family, just different personalities.

Be safe, no need to make people think all offroaders are jerks or idiots, which for the record, as a majority, we are not, we are responsible and appreciate and take care of what areas to have fun on are open to us.

Just in case my account is closed though, goodbye. If not, if I hear of any more relavent facts, I will let ya'll know.

Have Jeep will travel.

[DRTYFN]

Oh, and I've got more tact than you'll ever have. Patience for pathetic whining, attention-whore stalkers is another thing.

[tower]

Clearly, some of you don't quite understand the way a search works. When a call comes in, an Incident Commander is assigned. It is usually the highest-ranking officer available. He has a scribe, whose job it is to record, on paper, all actions and communications involved in the search as well as the time these occur. He also has assistants assigned to him and he chooses a site commander (the person in charge "on scene", who dispatches everyone there.

The first step is called the bastard search. All of the expected places are checked. This includes bathrooms, restaurants, coves that people frequent. Simultaneously, the assistants are gathering information: cell phone numbers, OnStar numbers, home & work numbers, local accommodation numbers. All of these are called. As much information as possible regarding clothing, ID, provisions and experience of the lost people is gathered and collated. After all this is done, if the person has not absolutely, positively been confirmed as found, what do you think happens?

Well, what is supposed to happen is a full-blown multi-agency search with all available resources begins. Why? Because the standard is that the search continues until those lost are rescued or recovered.

What actually did happen? Somebody said, “Aw shucks, it's a big area to search, it’s late, they're probably gone by now anyway.” No verification of whether or not that was the case. This violates the most basic principles of the search and is the DIRECTLY ATTRIBUABLE cause of these people not being found until they had expired. This sort of assumption is LETHAL and a total F.U. to lost public taxpayers.

When I hear the lame excuses asking "Why didn't someone say longitude and latitude coordinates instead of just coordinates" or "well maybe the ranger didn't have GPS" or how far from the coordinates were they found?" it makes me want to scream. Any ignoramus ranger knows what coordinates are. They all have GPS, and if they don't or don't know how to use them, THEY NEED TO ESCALATE THE SEARCH TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY! When you ask, "What's the Sheriff going to do? Roll a squad car on the sand?" Respectfully, that's none of your damned business!" You have no idea what airships the Sheriff has at his disposal or what interagency agreements exist. NONE OF THIS JUSTIFIES CALLING OFF THE SEARCH. A search NEVER gets called off because someone thinks they're probably okay or gone. This MUST BE VERIFIED and was not. When I hear you say, "They looked in the most likely places" I want to say yes, and they didn't find them. This is like ‘looking for a coin you lost 4 blocks away because the light is better over here.’

Bottom line, this isn’t a question of poor judgment and is not open to conjecture. The wheel doesn’t get invented from scratch when a missing persons call comes in and people don’t sit around and guess what they think happened and they don’t vote on what to do. There are strict protocols to follow and they were not followed. It is entirely possible that, because of this, two young people are dead. NO MORE B.S., NO MORE EXCUSES!

[4atthebeach]

After reading this thread and the last couple of posts I must respond to Tower and Marcmedic.
I see you throwing around words like negligence and incompintence, too lazy to do their job. From your posts Tower,Iam going to assume...something I fear you may have done a lot of,you were 3,000+ miles away from this tragic accident, Marcmedic I do not know where you were. As for me I was asleep in a warm bed. I did not have the information or lack of information that the rangers had. I was not out there planning, searching, or trying to find these people. So how can I evaluate the performance of these people...I can not and I will not. At least not from an internet site where anyone can post and portray to be whomever they choose. Not from the popular media either whose main drive is to sell papers. I too have been involved in EMS and Search and Rescue as a volunteer and proffesional for over 25 years. I have worked an incident, read the report in the paper and not even realized it was the same accident. Be the rescue proffesional you claim to be. If you have hard facts bring them out lets discuss it. It does not help anyone to arm chair quaterback an incident without the true facts. By the way if the media or internet ever starts blaming you, don't worry I've got your back. At least until there is some hard evidence to the contrary and there is documented action taken against you.

Keep those tips up

[tower]

Marc's pretty well got you on his 811p.m. post, Hummoron.

[beachinJeeper]

Linda,

Just curious. Do you know if the vehicle was recovered in the State Park area of the Island or the National Park area?

If he was only going 15mph, and have no reason to doubt this as factual, then they hit an oceanside sand cliff (which have seen 3' and larger), which probably was seen too late, and maybe an attempt at overcorrecting, or not seen at all.

Again my condolences to all the family and friends of these two young people.

The deignated beer bitch, and the other ex-shaggy (make mine a Bud Light)


Have Jeep will travel

[Big Z]

O.K. I've read the whole thread, and I'll only contribute one thing, and it's about on-star. I've had directions and connections since I've had the truck. I've used it VERY extensively in 7 different states, and very large cities. I've been AMAZED several time at how ACCURATE they are! When they can PINPOINT me and tell me the intersection I'm at, or coming to, and comments like "you just passed such and such street" TAKE IT TO THE BANK!! If they told the lat and lon of the H2, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS!!

[Aubs]

It's so sad to read this story. I spent a week on Assateague last year, and it is barren, and for the most part the lower extremeties are empty. I think this is a champion case for the "Save My Own @ss" theory (SMOA). Maybe a CB, some e-blankets, water, and a first aid kit could have been lifesavers, along with some flares, a flare gun, and bullhorn. The Coast Guard should have whipped out a chopper to scan the island and would have probably found the heat signature from the H2's engine in a matter of 1 hour from dispatch. Unfortunately, the urgency got lost somewhere. Anyway, going back to Assateague in a month, I will now make sure I have enough supplies with to SMOA in case the unforseen happens. I usually have flares, e-blankets, a large first aid kit, and a 1.5 million candlewatt cordless spotlight. I will invest in a CB now before I get down there, and maybe some off-road lights to make the usual nighttime drive out of there a lot easier to see. It is hard to see once the sun goes down, especially if a fog comes in or there's a lot of spray. It's very disorienting out there.

I realize the victims families haven't been here for over a year, but I still send my sympathies to them.

[KenP]

The tide can out out very far and there are some "holes" offshore that they could have hit. If that happened and the tide came in there was no way they'd be seen. They could have been a couple hundred yards out, underwater.

[h2co-pilot]

LET THIS THREAD DIE!!!!!

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

LET THIS THREAD DIE!!!!!

Btt

[DRTYFN]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

LET THIS THREAD DIE!!!!!

BTT

[Linda]

Oh my God... still in shock at the careless and unthoughtful remarks of the wonderful person that calls himself "HumMORON" (name does seem to fit though)

First off just to clarify a few things for you about this as you call a "jerk, ahole and a big man with a little penis"...... YOU dont have a clue as to who Adam was - by the way he had a name!! Don't know where your getting your info from but Adam purchased his hummer at Christmas time of LAST year so he did'nt still have his dealer tags on. He got his dream vehicle after many years of hard work. He owned his on construction company that he started from scratch and was doing very, very well. He was hardly a selfish person, he gave and gave to people he knew and did'nt even know. That day that he went 4-wheeling with Jen, it was something she wanted to do for her birthday, so he took her. Yes, granted, he broke the law by going somewhere he shouldnt have.... but if I am hearing you correctly are you actually saying that Adam & Jenn BOTH deserved to die the way they did???? Do you have a heart? I am still just amazed that idiots like you even have the gull to respond to something in this manner.
KNOW your facts MORON --- oops I mean Hummoron before YOU go pointing your nasty/heartless finger!!!

Again, thank you to all those that have offered valuable info., along with your condolences, it means a lot.

4CHRCHILL: I agree with you about lets not let this guy get us riled up..... but Adam was my freind, and since he can't defend himself right now, I felt I had to.

[Klaus]

Originally posted by Hummoron:
Despite what others have claimed, the park rangers duties are:

http://www.nps.gov/asis/orv.htm

National Park Service staff can:
•Assist with removing sand from around the tires
•Deflate tires
•Use traction devices such as boards
•Make a phone call on your behalf to friends/family
•Provide information regarding local towing services

National Park Service staff cannot:
•Winch or pull the vehicles out
•Recommend a towing company

Look, moron - Read this and let it sink in your thick skull:

Duties
Park Rangers supervise, manage and perform work in the conservation and use of resources in national parks and other federally-managed areas. Park Rangers carry out various tasks associated with forest or structural fire control; protection of property; gathering and dissemination of natural, historical, or scientific information; development of interpretive material for the natural, historical, or cultural features of an era; demonstration of folk art and crafts; enforcement of laws and regulations; investigation of violations, complaints, trespass/encroachment, and accidents; search and rescue; and management of historical, cultural, and natural resources, such as wildlife, forests, lakeshores, seashores, historic buildings, battlefields, archaeological properties, and recreation areas. They also operate campgrounds, including such tasks as assigning sites, replenishing firewood, performing safety inspections, providing information to visitors, and leading guided tours. Differences in the exact nature of duties depend on the grade of position, the site's size and specific needs.

http://www.nps.gov/personnel/rangers.htm

Now you can bet your ass that these guys get paid to perform the above duties. No one forced them to take this job. If it's too much trouble to perform ALL of the duties required of Rangers, then they should turn in their badge and quit.

No one is saying that the Rangers are responsible for the accident. Adam was driving. HOWEVER - Had the Rangers done their job in a professional manner, one or both of the victims would probably be alive today.

Originally posted by Hummoron:
...overall you are on your own to get yourself out of any jam you get into.

Considering the incompetent search and rescue those Rangers provided - I'll have agree with you on this point.

[Marcmedic]

OnStar: My name is Walter. I do have a connection with the vehicle, however, I’m not getting a response. It’s fading in and out, and I do hear screaming inside the vehicle, but I don’t know what the actual emergency is.

they were unable to locate the source of the distress call reported by OnStar, and the search was ultimately called off after several hours.

[Marcmedic]

Every time you've been proven wrong you come up with something else. Why not address the issues at hand. THEY CALLED OFF THE SEARCH WITHOUT FINDING ANYTHING!!! They never called OnStar back. They never called in any additional resources to help look. A simple call for assistance to any agency with a helicopter with infared capabilities would have been able to find them. You can't tell me that there wasn't time to find them. They both died of exposure, not from injuries sustained in the wreck. And before you paint the finger at OnStar again think about this, can you call for a search and rescue helicopter directly???Neither can OnStar

[KenP]

Linda, your last post was edited on that forum:

**edited**

Sorry Linda, but this is not going to become a platform for you to toss around speculation and accusations of that sort. We are sorry you lost your friend and many here have expressed their condolences, but it’s way past time to put this one to bed here. If anyone wishes to continue to follow this with Linda I will leave the link up there to the Hummer message board for awhile. Please take it over there and leave it there.

Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

[ 03-24-2005, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Bill Klein ]

Adam made a mistake and we can all agree on that. What I am interested in is the response, or lack there of. According to the other forum the parents have gotten lawyers. Now that may bother me depending on where they go with it.

[RI Hummer]

28' of water my my chart at that location. I'm surprised the GPS coordinates are that far off

[ROX]

Originally posted by Hummoron:
Wow, H2 Rocks. Your attitude really typifies the egotistical hummer owner and why more of them need to flip upside down in the ocean.

This seagull food hummer (you just gotta know that those birds were picking at him overnight looking for a free meal) owner breaks the law, acts like an idiot and kills himself, but somehow it isn't his fault that he died. Let's blame someone else for his stupid actions. It certainly can't be his fault, he was invincible in his hummer. Let's blame everyone who didn't save him.

Funny, you call me selfish, but it was this prick that was abusing the beach for his own little pleasure and guzzling down gas causing prices to soar. But I guess he was special and deserved to be selfish...and dead.

And contrary to your last sentence, it is he who is out of the gene-pool, not me. Join your friend.

4churchill is right....but I just have a couple more things to say to this troll.

1. I didn't say one word on this thread until HummMoron showed up and insulted Linda and her friends. All that was posted were articles on the accident and some comments from other forum members.
2. I don't appreciate it when someone says "you all are bunch of aholes". (There's that p-sspoor grammar again, probably didn't make it past 3rd grade.)
3. I agree with this HummMoron! "You have a responsibility as a human to respect nature and others. If you can't do that, good riddance." Unfortunately, HummMoron doesn't practice what he preaches! He certainly hasn't shown any respect here, or to those people that died!
4. If he ever falls off his bike down a steep incline on the side of the road someday, even if he isn't riding in a bike lane,I hope someone in a HUMMER responds to his distress call, instead of letting him freeze to death and die of his injuries!
5. About the stupid lame-o remark about driving a gas-guzzler. SO WHAT? Why do you care? You don't need gas on your bicycle! What are you conserving for? HUH?
6. "it is he who is out of the gene-pool, not me. Join your friend." I'm really feelin the love now.
6. GOOD-BYE HUMMMORON!! Next time pick a name that doesn't fit you so perfectly!

4C: I'm done. Thanks.