Ocean City Maryland beach hummer accident

[Linda]

This information that I have just recently found out is for those that have asked to be updated, and are truely concerned (not for your harsh words or critism HUMMORON, heard more than I care to from you - u seem to THINK u know so much about what happened yet you havent a clue.... your so far off base)

After speaking with the attorney that is representing the deceased family's of Adam & Jenn (by the way Adam & Jenn were JUST long time freinds, Adam was engaged to someone else and Jenn had a long time boyfreind) I discovered that Adam was NOT speeding - infact at the time he hit the drop off, he was going a mere 15 miles per hour! As for the drinking that so many people think was a factor, the autopsy reports on both Adam & Jenn showed absoultely NO traces of alchol.

Found out something else interesting... the reason the Rangers called of the search that night, was because even though they got the call from Onstar... they discovered a vehicle that was stuck after that, and helped them and decided IT was that vehicle in distress --- even though mind you, it had NO onstar!!!! Another bit of news I found interesting was not only the onstar call placed by Jenn pressing the button, but ALSO by the airbags being deployed!!!! Now would'nt you think that they (meaning Onstar & the Rangers) might stop to think that maybe, just maybe this was a bit more serious than simply being stuck in the sand????

-Linda

[Linda]

Somone asked about the recovery of the"black box" (dont know if thats really what it is called or not on a Hummer)... but I have found out that they did. It shows the time of the accident the speed at the time of the accident (15 mph) and that the airbags WHERE employed. That is all the further info that I was told. Just thought I would pass that on to those that were asking.

Have a wonderful Easter.
-Linda

[Klaus]

Originally posted by Hummoron:
Truly a tragedy, but one brought on by reckless driving and ignoring the rules, not by the Park Rangers. Yes, it would have been great if help had made it to them and been rescued. It didn't. They got where they were by their own devices, not by someone elses. They both paid the price for his mistakes.

Get over it.

I can see it now... One day Hummoron will suffer a heart attack. Someone calls 911, but they will give up before they get to him. Someone will then say:

"Yes, it would have been great if help had made it to him and he had been rescued. It didn't. He got where he was by eating greasy burgers. He paid the price for his mistake. Get over it."

[dochummer]

Linda, my condolances to you for the loss of your friends.

[Hummoron]

The fire alarm goes off in the building I work about twice a year. The fire department doesn't send over the entire force, but just one truck to look for the fire, which turns out to be a faulty sensor (even though they were just tested the week before).

The fire department's response has been more than adequate so far. However, if it ever turned out to be a real emergency, they would have wasted valuable time. From the emotions here, I should be looking for someone's head if that ever happens. Maybe I should start demanding that we get a full fledge response each and every time.

[ROX]

Originally posted by crystalstarkey:
This is the cousin of adam and the step sister of jen....I just wanted to thank you all for everything.

Crystal. Linda. My heart goes out to you both.
Please post new facts as they become available. You'll have our attention.

[Hummoron]

This is from tower who is clearly blaming the park ranger (who he refers to as "Fudge(packer)" for the deaths:

"I hope this idiot is lying, because without some serious retraining and policy changes, more people will die. There's nothing quite so arrogant as someone being at least partially responsible for two deaths, and then blaming the victims for being out of area or speeding."

And then he adds:

"Sorry, but this "doublespeak" really pisses me off. My politics may be a shade left of center, but I have a hard time abiding those who don't take responsibility for the mess they've created."

Well, it was the driver who created the mess that got himself killed. Yes, it would have been great had everything (Onsat -> 911 -> Ranger) worked and help arrived for them. But when you do something foolish, you have to take responsibility for your own actions and not expect someone else to come and save you.

Had they been in the correct area, another 4-wheeler would have probably come across them. It is amazing just how much traffic that beach sees, even in the winter.

It was the attitude from tower (and a few others) that set me of. The park rangers' job is to manage the park, create maps of the environment, control how it changes, and keep others from destroying it. Responding to someone who is stuck in the sand is not their prime role.

[tower]

1. It is my belief that the antenna for Onstar is located in the roof of the vehicles. Upside down in salt water it is not very effective.

2. Those "mapping" programs aren't accurate once off the roads.FYI"

3. Like said, I don't know anything about this aspect

BJ, lay off the ganja, buddy.

1. Electromagnetic radiation doesn’t give 2 ****s about what you believe is effective! Upside down and immersed in saltwater, OnStar got the coordinates and reported them to the authorities.

2. Those mapping programs ARE DESIGNED to zero in on locations without the use of landmarks (roads). FYI!

3. Self evident. Pretty well covers your 1 & 2.

Peace, t~

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by Robert Larick:
This will be my first and last reply.

I feel compelled to post because I am the probably the most experienced of anyone with Assateague Island and Hummers. I own both an '99 H1 & '03 H2, I have actively, frequently fish AI (Assateague Island) for the last 6 years using the H1 as my "beach buggy". I use the H2 when I have an overflow of guests. Both Hummers are AI Park permitted.

I have traveled the entire island in all types of weather conditions including snow. I have been trapped by high tides from the Nor'easters that blow here. I have swerved around the items that wash up including a whale! I have carefully found my way over the sand cliffs and high tide washes that frequently form. I have driven into holes left unfilled from kids trying to dig to China. I have traveled that desolate dark island in sleepless stupors and in influenced states.

I have stood the H1 on its nose, jammed feet of wet sand in through the windows, buried it to its running boards. I have also put the h2 on very similar precarious angles both intentionally and accidently. Want to see the repair bills?

The death of 2 young people on that Island is a sobering event and very unfortunate for the families and emergency services related to the incident. I have learned something.

After reading 8 pages of posts, my thoughts are to those who 4-wheel and to those who rescue. I can assure everyone that the accident was due to carelessness and recklessness, plain and simple. No different than a drunk driver who runs off the road. As heartless as it sounds, I believe that if you are going to attempt extreme adventures, then there are rules to follow... If you don't. You play, you pay.

I hope that everyone here on this board learns, thinks and is reinforced about the obvious, that 4-wheeling is inherently dangerous. Don't ever rely on rescue services to save you! Only rely on your common sense, please! There are too many reasons, for me to list here of what I speculate to have happened. As an Hummer and AI expert, I can plainly see the sequence of events that occured and why. However, whatever specifically happened, my sympathy stops short with my condolences.

I come away with this story (and I hope that others do too) that we should never hold the park service people to be held responsible, never hold them into some type of culpability or liability for the lose of those lives in that situation. I am very said for the loss of 2 young people just having "fun", however I am encouraged to use this as an example and lesson to my 10 & 11 yr. old boys, in hopes that they maintain common sense at all times.

Never ever drive or ride unprepared for the worse, in dark or desolate or unfamiliar or illegal areas with out the buddy system, unless you have a death wish.

Brilliant!!! Why must this be your ONLY post? You belong here.

As Hummer Deity, I command you to stay.

[Hummoron]

Marcmedic,

I'm just asking to read the same reports that you obviously have that states when they died and when and what the park rangers were doing.

You posted as fact that they called off the search and then the two people died. I am more than willing to believe you, I just want to read it for myself.

Point me to the facts and I'll stop being so stupid....well, I'll try.

[tower]

Dear Linda,

I have no information on this incident other than what I have read on this site. I wish I could be of more help. As things unfold, please know that you have a supportive group of readers on this website and that we would be interested in any enlightenment you might, ultimately, be able to provide. You have my deepest sympathy on the loss of your friend(s).

Be well,

Ron Migdal
Southern California Region Secretary
National Ski Patrol
theTower@SoCalNSP.org

[ali648]

it's something called an exaggeration, dumbass. and don't worry, i'm finished with your threads. everyone else in here seems to have tact, but you, your the biggest ******* in here. so like i said in the other thread, you aren't worth my time.

[HUMMERDOGG]

Hummoron-

Ultimately, what is it you want??? You complain about the type of person who drives an H2. Which is extremely debateable and which I have defended in previous posts since most H2's I see are driven by teenage to middle age women. Now, you complain how the vehicle we drive affects you? You have mentioned how it's gas guzzling and it's unsafe in an accident. Unfortunately, you aren't the first troll to come in here and start berating the choice of vehicle we drive and complain how the increase in the size of the ozone hole, increase in the price of gas, car versus suv accident survival rate, troop presence in Iraq, <insert another dozen or so bs reasons why we shouldn't drive our H2>, has to be a direct result of the emergence of the H2. Give it a break.

The truth of the matter is this- all over the world, economies are growing- specifically for my example India and China, at rates we haven't seen before and that no one could have anticpated three years ago. Therefore, the demand for energy, agricultural products, steel, copper, etc... has risen rapidly in the past two years to account for the rapid rise in demand. This increase in global demand for crude oil, coupled with concerns regarding supply disruptions (keep in mind that Nigeria, Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, etc... aren't the most stable places yet make up a relatively large amount of the daily crude oil production), a weak dollar, along with highly leveraged/well financed/bullish speculating hedge funds have caused this runup. However, keep in mind, as recently as January 05 we were at $42, Sept 03 we were at $26, and Sept 01 we were at $18. Crude prices will continue to erode over the long haul and I truly believe we will see relief at the pump as a result of it. However, it won't happen overnite and it definitely wouldn't just happen overnite if every H2 was taken off the road...

Keep in mind, it's all about supply and demand. Do you think we can keep building the way we are here in the US- homes, apartments, strip centers, etc... and not think at some point we might not have enough electric generation built to supply all the demand growth that is going on. Trust me brother, California will happen all over again. Maybe not in California next but maybe Florida or New York. When it happens, are you going to go bitch to every person who bought a house in that new 5,000 house development across the street. Who, because they bought a home there, are now using the same electricity that you were using before. And since the utility wasn't able to get a new power plant online in time, there isn't enough electricity to go around and you both are now faced with rolling brownouts??? It's inevitable and called progress. As we build more ****, we need more natural gas, heating oil, electricity, water, land fills, highway infrastructure, schools, etc... to keep up with it all. And demand and supply don't hold hands and grow at the same exact convenient pace. Demand typically outstrips supply and then you have high prices... and then everyone comes in to capitalize on the high prices and builds all this supply and then prices fall... Old Supply gets taken down since it's no longer profitable, etc.. then the whole cycle starts all over again... It's the nature of the beast.

Now, I've told you already why the price at the pump you are currently paying is so high. Now that you are armed with that information, go bitch to the big oil companies and tell them you want more refineries built in the US so that US refining capacity can keep up with demand.

With regard to demand, I'd like to hear your opinion on what is fuel efficient. Would you talk **** if I had a diesel H2 and ran it on B100 biodiesel? It be a totally renewable fuel with no impact to the current demand for fossil fuels and no impact to the enviroment.

No, you'd only just go on to bitch about how the thing is dangerous in a wreck, when in all reality, the H2 is no more dangerous than any of those full size pickups that are out on the road... ****, here in Texas, every other Ford/Dodge/Chevy Pickup has one of those Cattle Guard Bumpers. Tell me that thing wouldn't tear up a lot more **** than my H2 if I hit you...

And for your benefit since you brought it up, the top of the line x5 costs at least $20K more than the top of the line H2. X5 drivers aren't saying under their breath-"he'll move, I'm bigger than him"... naw, they are just saying-"I'm richer and better than you so you should move for me..."

[LasVegas]

Very interesting.

[partsguy]

They have trails back there.I used to camp every
next to last weekend in may.Full of bogs and blood sucking flying ex wives.(mesqitos)I do not know how they got that far out,passed out from drinking maybe..

[Linda]

It is amazing to me how the press oporates.... let me explain:

The is another site that has had a thread going about the hummer accident as well (http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547...ic/8/1986.html), and it is there that I orginally started posting. Then I found this one, and to be frank I have gottan a ton more info here. Anyway, a day or two ago I posted a message on that site telling anyone who was still interested in finding out the latest on this accident should check out this site. In doing so I must of offended some people because I was basically told to just "let it rest" and "stop blamming". I responed by merely stating that I was NOT trying to blame anyone.... but with out a doubt there were some very serious mistakes made that night, not only by Adam but by the Rangers in their lack of effort that night. I continued to say that there was a LOT of important facts that have surfaced that the papers are NOT publishing in trying to save face. The papers put in there what they want NOT the whole truth, I have never been more aware of this as to now. But anyway what I find amazing is that they DELETED my post, saying that I was making accusations!! Its seems o.k. for people to make accusations about Adam such as saying he was speeding (which has been proved that he was NOT) that he was drunk (which again he was not).... yet when I say something about the lame rescue effort that night I am BANNED form even letting others seeing my post!! WHAT??????

As for letting it rest.... how can I when obviously something is wrong in the way emergencies are handled on the island, and two people are dead as a result. If nothing else, I hope and pray that something good comes of all this, that people will be a bit wiser and learn from all this. Not only the people who 4-wheel but the authorites as well.

-Linda

[Klaus]

Originally posted by Marcmedic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Don't ever rely on rescue services to save you!

I guess you must love paying taxes to support a service that you don't count on to do their jobs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo! I couldn't agree more with Marc's posts on this subject.

[PARAGON]

This is bordering on absurd. This thread shows up at the top of search engines and has had over 5000 views. The content obviously interests some people so give a little more thought to your posts than some of you have.

Jonahs, I orginally ignored your post because I thought it was somewhat not applicable but now feel compelled to correct you. I don't remember anyone on here saying that the accident itself was anyone else's fault except the driver. What has been debated the most here has been the actions taken or not taken by those after the call to Onstar. With that being said let me use your airplane analogy.

Take a plane that drops from radar and is suspected of crashing. It deviated greatly from it's original flight plan but the air controller has the coordinates of the last radar contact. He tells search personnel the plane's flight path but also says that he has the last known coordinates from the last radar contact. What took place with this H2 accident is akin to the search personnel NOT taking the coordinates but going and searching around the plane's original flight path. That would raise a stink no matter what.

This is not an all or nothing affair. The driver is at fault for the accident but why would anyone think it is wrong to question the emergency personnel for a response that seems very lacking. The idea that one can't make assumptions because we weren't there is even more absurd. We have what's been reported and we have a copy of the call from the 911 center to the Rangers. Just because newspapers don't report everything all of the time and get things wrong sometimes does not mean you just walk away and forget that the system might need improvement.

The rangers blatantly said that there will be no review of their systems as they don't feel they did anything wrong. Unfortunately, litigation seems to be the only thing that will get to the truth because as you said, people will not accept their due blame or even open themselves up to it. Litigation is a catch-22. Granted there are frivilous lawsuits but there are many instances in the past where it was the only way to right a wrong.

If for one minute anyone thinks that they would not be upset and not looking for answers if they found out that there was a chance their loved one could have been saved, think again.

[DRTYFN]

Originally posted by ali648:
it's something called an exaggeration, dumbass. and don't worry, i'm finished with your threads. everyone else in here seems to have tact, but you, your the biggest ******* in here. so like i said in the other thread, you aren't worth my time.

GFY!!! Please. You can take your stalking dumped ass out of here now. Buh-bye.

[Hummoron]

The beach is a big place to search and not easily done. Not quite the same as being sent to a street address. Everytime someone didn't call off a search, they would have to go out with at least a 100 people, helicopters, and vehicles to search the entire island until they could prove that no one was there not accounted for.

I guess it could be done.

A lot cheaper just to close the beach so that we can avoid this in the future. $70/truck (does anyone know how many stickers they issue? 1000? 2000?) just isn't worth it.