Pissed and Need to Vent

[JamesT]

A cross I must bare. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You are the BOSS....and we all know our BOSSES ARE DOUCHBAGS! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[JamesT]

OK...FUC% OFF Seth! Feel better????

Just kidding you know <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Kind of like "special ed" or "special needs"...

Man this conversation is waaaaaay too high-brow for this forum, somebody drop a cpuple of F-bombs and get us all recentered on the sotericness of being an H2 owner that canned someone for talkin smack about his truck......

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I stand by this information on sound spellings. The information I pointed out was the relevant portion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
One would think that if we wanted truth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you are as unaffected by my Tuesday afternoon ramblings as you claim then where did the wounds come from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was, in fact, a vain attempt to get a little sympathy from the hard core H2ers like Paragon. Would you not agree, I am playing to a really tough crowd here..

[JamesT]

You speak as if this is some snot nosed kid with his first job. Give him a break? This guy is an adult male that made well over 60K per year in a VERY influential position in a small business. This type of person can kill the comrodery of a business in no time at all. As for his family...is'nt that HIS job? I have a family and I suffer when i make mistakes. Ego has nothing to do with this. It has everything to do with respect. Shallow man? Dont I have a greater responsability to the whole staffot just him? Is'nt it supposed to be for the greater good of the group. As far as giving me breaks. Yes, and I RESPECTED them for doing so. I live by a rule. If I have something to say I say it...if it hurts your poor little feelings...too bad! Grow up, wake up, and MAN UP!!! There is much to be said about a man whom you have no doubt where you stand with. My family or friends, or staff NEVER have to wonder whats going on in my head. If they ask a question, be preparred to hear the 100% black and white truth. No walking on egg shells. Crap...you made me ramble with your pathetic crying. Bottome line. My decision...and Im 100% right about it!

[DennisAJC]

Trust me, 4 flats won't stop me from running over theys feet!

Dis colored boy just keep drivin!

"Run over the gimp!"

[Hart1]

I understand, have a nice sleep!

Paragon:

All those quotes are correct, good job!

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hart1, you have some good thoughts on this, but as PARAGON alludes to, by calling your own comments "a esoteric path" (should be "an esoteric path", twice, nonetheless), and saying things like “for your benefit,” you make yourself sound incredibly arrogant and no one wants to bother listening to you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your current viewpoint that I come across as "arrogant" is regrettable. I was being positive about the information I wanted to share, nothing more. And I now regret sharing it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ok, this is the second time you used this word in this thread. Do you even know what it means?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By "esoteric" I mean those principles which are above man-made ideas, and which can therefore change and uplift a receptive man or woman. As an example, I was trying to get James to look at this troublesome event in a new way; instead of battling the event, using facts to understand it. However, it seems most have rejected exploring this path (hence the word "esoteric").

If James' goal was to punish, then he has indeed done quite well. However, if his goal was to correct a mistake (opening one's mouth before one thinks, we are all condemned, then), then he has failed, miserably.Keeping employees "inline" (or anyone for that matter) with fear, will only get you so far.

What if there was a way to correct the problem and at the same time increase employee loyalty, without using fear? In fact, there is.

I am a Division Manager for a very affuent and respected City, with numerous staff under my direction, and I interact with the community often, so I do speak from experience.

"To be aware that we are unaware is an especially valuable from of awareness"

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

James
Phil expressed My sentiments. I have never tolerated that kind of joking as it brings to bare an underlying problem. Now do not get Me wrong I'm one of the first to say turn the other check. But, it does not mean to tolerate a possible chance of sabatoging a business that many others of Your worker family depend on for their living. That attitude could easily be conveyed to customers whether He even realized He did it or not.
Besides what business is it of His how You spend the money of a company You took the risk in starting and He has just enjoyed the by product of Your risk. Anytime an employee did not like what I did or the way I did it I just always asked Who's name is on the signature line of pay check or the name on the business sign. If they wanted a company run differently go take some risk of which He probably does not have the nerve to do.
I would if You have had other problems no matter how small with this guy collect all documentation and when You get paper work from unemployment office You can dispute the claim.
It could be less stress though to be done with it and let Him get the check.
Good Luck on this. Even though I do not believe in luck to the point that I think You make Your own luck.
TAZ

[partsguy]

He could be a H2S forum member and see's you as
fair game!Give him a MAD FACE.

[Hart1]

“why I pointed out the misuse of the word”

It was a misspelling, typo, see the difference? Proceeding from anger can cause this.

“”By the way, you have provided no information”””

Could it be you did not give me a chance to present any that may be of value? There is information there, you can’t see it. I did call my effort a path....

“”And my use of YOUR quotes equates to my attacking you and not your "information?"””

No, all you have done is take my points out of context. Even the devil can quote scripture..
(Disclaimer: I am not comparing my information to scripture, only Paragon to the devil)

""Really, I am quite surprised that you keep posting realizing that you............ hold on............. you don't realize it, do you? ""

You got me there. You are right! Your poor debating tactics and attacks should “ring the bell” that I am existing on the same level as a can of dog food. Thanks! I am departing for another level right now.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never, ever said this, at all. In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.

If Paragon stops the attacks, I will not respond. This is the land of "the right" to self defense, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He didn't say you said it. na-na-nay-boo-boo. He said you feel that.

Dude, you have the world all backwards. Your bitching and whining and your idiotic attempts at intelligent conversation is the reason I play with you. Quit being the such a loser and you draw no attention. You couldn't keep quiet for 10 minutes after Tower gave you the out. You had another opportunity to redeem yourself but, man, I don't know, you just don't see the light. At all.

You quite flatter yourself by labeling my toying with you as "attacks." It's nearly as comical as your statement about your "self defense." The defense for stupidity is not more stupidity. While I was gone, you went on to attempt to drum up support for your fragile ego and hope that some of the over 2,000 forum members will come rushing to your dire aid because you feel so unjustly "attacked."

I will have to defer to Tower, because in my many several posts I was unable to properly address you is such a correct, concise and genuine manner. Yet it went straight over your head and you instead attempted to deflect it to me in a crippled manner by suggesting that you will cease your responses upon no further "attacks" from me. Oh, I can see it now, a 12 pager and all about nothing. You failed to miss the part where I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1: In order to obtain harmony, you and your staff must act like a wolf pack, not like a six pack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That means he's the leader of the pack and he gets to kick people out of the pack whenever he wants. Then he gets to split the six pack with the remaining, contributing members of his wolf pack. I watch the Discovery Channel; I know this stuff.
What do I win? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>A "My other truck is a ZR2" sticker.

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
What is done is done and I think he was right on. No sense in trying to see another point or try to make James feel regret. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was never my intention to make James feel regret, just to help support his business. In terms of there being no point in trying to see another point of view, respectfully, I disagree.

[Hart1]

Paragon:

Thanks! In fact, after I posted, I then caught the mistake and already corrected it.

I am amazed that you missed the many other mistakes made by others here too. Are your "proof reading" skills lacking? Who knows?



Or, are you using the "poison well" tactic by attacking me and not the information I have provided? Who knows?

No wonder your boss talks behind your back, you may deserve it. ..

Wow, I have pushed a button, have I? lol. Thanks for your attention but it is not needed.

[tower]

Well Gosh,

By now, James, you are probably sick of hearing from everyone and wishing you hadn't posted the question. If so, please don’t even bother reading this.

Hart1, you have some good thoughts on this, but as PARAGON alludes to, by calling your own comments "a esoteric path" (should be "a<span class="ev_code_RED">n</span> esoteric path", twice, nonetheless), and saying things like “for your benefit,” you make yourself sound incredibly arrogant and no one wants to bother listening to you.

I know many of the contributors to this thread personally and feel comfortable saying:

Shaggy, excellent observation! *****

ANYONE would be very fortunate to have DennisAJC for a boss or timgco for an employee.

But I have digressed. I try my best to always use the three strikes rule. That means if someone I have trusted (employee or friend) seems to have seriously broken that trust, I have a closed-door conversation with him or her. I try to stay humble and explain how it felt to me WITHOUT BLAMING THEM. I am willing to do this THREE TIMES before giving up on someone. In this case, I would have additionally explained how much more difficult it is to foster good morale among the employees than bad and how incendiary a poor attitude can be, especially from a leader in the company. I would do a lot of listening and self-reflection. Why would this man make such a comment and why did it fall so hard on you? One must wonder, is there a kernel of truth to it. Did this fellow have hopes of golfing with a client in order to secure some new bounty for your company? I think these are questions worth pondering for a while, regardless of whatever answers first come to mind.

Also, if this employee had seen the error of his ways and gotten mercy from you, the potential existed for ending up with one of the most loyal and trustworthy employees ever. That opportunity is now lost. And now, whatever negative feelings this guy had about you have (in his mind) just been proven true. And he and his family have now lost their source of income.

As to your remaining employees, you have added fuel to whatever conversation existed about you being an A-hole boss. (I'm NOT saying you are one, but you have just fueled that conversation). And, you have forced whatever conversation exists about you farther away from your own earshot. This is very dangerous and can topple a company. Many of the best ideas in business come from the bottom up. This is NOT a conduit you want closed. Also, if you have your employees living in a state of fear about saying what they really think or feel, you are severely limiting your companies potential for growth. Many bosses maintain an atmosphere of fear in the workplace. Not only is this morally reprehensible, but it misses the following: Employees contribute in work and ideas far above what they get paid, if they have some sense of ownership in their company. I’m not talking about stock holdings, I’m talking about people feeling that they are contributing to the company and helping steer it to success. You WANT your employees to express themselves freely. I have worked with many companies where employees LOVE the fact that their boss has all the trappings of affluence. It makes them feel that they are working for a profitable company that does good work and that their jobs are secure.

So as I have said, I try to give someone at least three opportunities to make good. And I don't do it as a trap. I make it very clear that I take ownership of the problem that I have with their actions. I let them know what the problem IS from my perspective and WHY it’s a problem for me. And I work with them on what the solution should be. I do this three times, before I write someone off. I don't know what type of business you own, but I would wager a hefty sum that your employees are your most valuable asset.

It is my hope that breaking things down in such detail might make them more accessible. If I am wrong, I am sorry. I try never to give advice unless asked. You asked. If you prefer the nutshell version, just see the earlier comment from TBDAugs. That pretty well sums it up.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is this what happens in your house when you don't get to take the H2 tanning?

[Hart1]

PS:

Everyone here has put forth "opinions" and what they believe should be done, all the time. To use the "straw man argument" and imply that I have no less a right is ludicrous. Like others thoughts, please leave or take mine. Tha's all anyone has to do.

Unlike you, I look forward to your views.

If you are honest as you claim, you would at least grant some of these points to me.

[Hart1]

JamesT:

Thanks You have made my day!

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is this what happens in your house when you don't get to take the H2 tanning? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes...

[usetosellhummer]

As Kenny says; You got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Sounds good but just remember, if your the boss.. you never offer an excuse like you did. You just say yes or no. You opened the door for his comment and then got mad when you heard it. If he was any good the way to go would be sure, but I need you to hit that goal we talked about this week? I worked for a dealer with that same excuse wile his jet and new house had no problems. Don't let your emotions get the best of ya big boy.