Error codes and lots of B.S.

[f5fstop]

Very interesting...hope the button pushing paid off and the right part gets replaced.
I can say the delivery to the dealers of the TCCMs is getting faster. Mine was actually delivered to the dealer the day after I was in service. However, the dingleberry parts guy held the order and didn't notify me until the roof rails were delivered. This was after I stressed to the service guy that I DO NOT WANT they rails until the new supply comes out.
Called the service writer a little while ago, and he was peed that the parts guy held the order until the roof rails were received, since the repair order clearly states call when new rails are available in May.
Anyway, they agreed it is a half-hour replacement, so I get it done on Wednesday after work.

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dscott:
hmmm a whole day today and not even a phone call to tell me what they did/didn't do. I gave the service manager about 30 minutes before closing and he said he'd call me back...... waiting.... waiting.... waiting.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe he hurt his finger pushing those buttons and can't use the phone.

[SDH3]

Well it has been 3K miles since the dealer replaced the encoder motor and have'nt got any more messages, and I had them all, stab. & traction failure, service 4x4, and no lights on 4x controls. Got my truck in Nov.,gone most of Dec., computers got hacked, virus spewed etc.,one doesn't work at all, and it takes forever to open and read anything. Anyhow, I am very happy with this truck, and want to thank the members of this forum for helping me to make my decision to purchase a Hummer product.

[Scouts Out]

Two whole days and not even a flicker. This is the longest it has gone without a error since the week I bought it home. The Borg guy and the dealer called to day to check, they apparently feel this may heal the TCM, and PCM errors (no idea what it means but as long as it works for my HUMMER). Was an appreciated touch doing a follow up call

[Planohummer]

stab syst/trac failed can be a simple brake switch adjustment. Both of those with the 4wd failure message and 4wd buttons not lighting up is a different issue. for some reason, cold weather snaps aggravate the condition. GM and Borg-Warner(xfer case mfr) are ACTIVELY involved at this point. Even when TCCMs are replaced, problem still pops up at times.

[Planohummer]

Obviously I can't speak for GM, but I've got two theories:

1)It's a quicker resolution to an issue if you can try numerous tests 'in the field'--such as cycling through the functions--as opposed to gathering info on replaced units as they come in through WPC and suspect shipping practices
2)Encoders aren't that expensive one at a time, but multiply that times 5000 units and add labor then the expense goes up

In the past B-W has been very proactive, and has sent engineers around the country(remember H-2 xfer cases in early 2003s?) so I've got a certain amount of faith in them trying to do the right thing. I'll also agree that at the end of the day, it's the end result that counts. Hopefully they'll do whatever it takes to get the issue fixed.

I'm convinced that the Stanadyne pump issue and the GM 5.7 diesel were a big part of why diesel has taken so long to catch on in the North American market. I owned a GM truck that went through 7 injector pumps before 100k miles. GM's reaction to the 6.5 diesel truck issue was pathetic and involved a lot of finger-pointing--so far I don't see that with any HUMMER issues, including this one.

We'd all like to see trucks that never break, but only time will tell what's more reliable.

[Scouts Out]

OK, you have to plain speak to me, what is the TCCM? I know what the TCM is but the TCCM is a new part. Is it going to damage anything by driving it with the warnings flashing? And if it is on "national Backorder" does that mean they will keep my H3 until it is back? I am not sure how you get all this information but you are a great source of infor and I thank you for your help

[Scouts Out]

Thank you f5fstop. I drove it to the gym yesterday and no trouble warnings at all. Today , all the warnings were going off again. I am taking it back down tomorrow and they said they will keep it as long as they need to get it fixed. The other guys in the repair shop they day said occasionally they would get teh stab error but it seemed to reset itself in a few seconds. I have begun a journal to see if anything in particular sets off the warning bells and how often they go off. I have confidence they will resolve it this visit.

[Scouts Out]

Well I put almost 100 miles on my H3 on the way home and not even one light came on. The Borg Warner guys was sure that that was the cause. He seemed to think that a whole bunch of the encoder motors on a lot of H3s are bad, some will show now, some will later. He seemed to think that replacing them with any encoder motors other than those straight from Borg would be a waste. On the Good side, he thought the rest of the Borg Warner set up was "top of hte line"

[Scouts Out]

I took my H3 to the service department today, dropped it off so they can have it tomorrow. They said they have ordered an encoder, a tmmc, a tmc (are they the same thing?) and a few other parts. The service manager was telling me he had never seen all the warnings on at one time so I used my cam phone to record it. I am not sure it help solve the problem but removed any doubts it was happening. He said three days is the longest they have had to keep a vehicle. I hope not to break that record

[Scouts Out]

well the service "dude" finally got back to me on my way home. He said during his test drive he did not even make it 7 miles beofre all the waringa went off. He returned to the garage and the techies looked at it ad hooked it to what ever life support systems they have. Some where along the way Borg-Warner rep was called and got involved. The final decision was the encoder. Borg Warner ask GM not to install one that they had in stock but instead let them overnight one from their office. They are sure this is the fix and will have tehe part on Monday. That is ok, I miss mine, the red is nice but I am fond of the Blue. The service rep did mention that mine was one of the "earlier" production H3.

[f5fstop]

Hope it stays that way. I had the TCCM replaced on mine today and all is well. I also had a U1300 code, which along with the other codes basically stated the TCCM had committed suicide, with the 1300 code, diagnosis was easy.

[mountainbiker]

My lights have been modified so I am legal here in Europe






However, I am now getting StabiliTrack System "SERVICE STAB SYS" and Traction Control System "TRACTION FAILED" messges on my DIC. If I depress and hold the StabiliTrack for about 5 seconds, the additional messge of "STAB SYS OFF" is seen. If I depress the TCS button, it blinks for a few seconds and then goes out. No additional message is seen on the DIC.

I would guess--without a doubt--that this is due to the rewiring of the lights. That is, my turn signals (in order to show amber) are displayed through the clear lens (where my backup lights were). The turn signal functional had to be stopped from using the same bulb as the brake lights.

Any idea what I did? Is there an easy way to correct (other that rewiring it back to US way and starting again?

[bjc]

Originally Posted by mountainbiker

If I depress and hold the StabiliTrack for about 5 seconds, the additional messge of "STAB SYS OFF" is seen. If I depress the TCS button, it blinks for a few seconds and then goes out. No additional message is seen on the DIC.

I'm not sure I can help regarding your electrical, but let's clear up the facts so someone else may be able to jump in...

I'm assuming your dash looks like this:



If so, which button(s) are you pressing?

[mountainbiker]

Originally Posted by bjc

I'm assuming your dash looks like this: YES

Attachment 32439

If so, which button(s) are you pressing?

The right most buttons above the radio: the TCS and the StabiliTrack System buttons. My left most button is lit (4-Wheel High).

[Wisha Haddan H3]

The 2nd button from the right is for the rear locking differential, not stabilitrak or TCS. It only engages at a stop in 4-lo. It's normal for the locking diff button to blink and turn off if you're not in 4-lo.

[Scouts Out]

hmmm a whole day today and not even a phone call to tell me what they did/didn't do. I gave the service manager about 30 minutes before closing and he said he'd call me back...... waiting.... waiting.... waiting....

[Scouts Out]

well I got a call from the "service dude" who put the Borg warner guy on the Phone, The BW guy say he would bet his job at BW that he fixed the problem. I asked him his salary and I think it sounds liek a fair deal, going to go pick it up in a few and see if I can make it home before the first light comes on. I hope it is fixed.

[MUDSUX]

f5fstop, Thanks for all the great info. I will try to readjust my brake and see what happens.

Dscott, I think mine is the later model. It was built in sept and the front d-rings had the center hole drilled to ease taking them off without taking the whole front end off.

This has got to be the most annoying thing on my H3. Everytime I get in the truck it happens, sometimes just the traction control, sometimes traction control and service 4wd. IT goes away when I restart the truck. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it happens. Sometimes over a bump, or turning left, or sitting still at a stop sign. It even happens when I turn the traction control off after the reset.