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12-02-2003, 02:33 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
How come the guy in the bumper dumper pic didn't pull his long johns down? Is he pooping in his underwear? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the bumper dumper?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They have a button up ass peice of course.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think the dumper on top is a bad idea. It is obvious detonate is about ready to roll the truck in to the water. I'll bet as soon as he leans over to wipe it rolls but only because of the lift he installed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There is a lift on my truck and nobody told me about it?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Maybe the brush guard that is 4x too big for the truck will keep it down but with that roof rack that's 6x too big it's hard to say. Does Tuff Country make a new 8 headlight setup too like the family truckster? I think soon your trucks going to look like this:<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll let them know you are interested in one.
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12-02-2003, 05:30 PM
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Sweet!
The rack doesn't make any extra noise that I've noticed.
When they put it on they warned that some people had mentioned a little Hum, but by sliding the rack back an Inch at a time till it went away solves the problem.
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12-01-2003, 11:49 PM
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DETONATE:I would like to have our lawyers prove to your lawyers who came up with the GOBI Rack and ladder first. I take it you have upside down pants also? What's next are you going to name it IBOG?  or maybe you can mount the tire under the Rack.
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12-02-2003, 02:03 AM
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It clears the Factory Roof Bars if you have them. I do not.
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12-09-2003, 04:28 PM
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I had $100 damage to my gutter (being fixed today) Here is the obstacle that ate 2 gutters and 2 roof racks. That is $4k in roof racks, one of which was only 2 days old. A smart design would be able to handle this pressure.
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12-02-2003, 12:38 AM
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I hate to say it, but I think i am with Detonate on this one. I have seen a GOBI rack in person, and although they have their similarities, which has to be expected when making a like product for the same vehicle, they definitely have some differences too. If that wasn't allowed than 1 company would have a Monopoly on the market, and that is against the law (atleast in theroy).
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12-04-2003, 08:09 PM
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I'm sure you may be correct.. I just arrest them.. don't make the rules... Just wanted say that in this crazy world of law suits and media.. any thing can happen... Don't thinit is right... just believe very possible.
Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Centerfire:
I don't know about that in todays enviroment.. In the knife industry. Spyderco patient the hole in the blade to open the knife.. Everyone who uses a hole in the blade has to pay them a royalty.. Just ask Benchmade Knife CO.
So Gobi may be able to patient a rectangle.
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Well actually what Spyderco patented most likely is what is classified as a utility patent. So they did not really patent the circle, but rather the use of their hole being positioned in the blade to make a folding knife that was "better/easier" to open.
Being that rectangles have been used for roof racks for quite some time, I don't see anyone getting a patent on such an idea. I am pretty sure I have seen some stage coaches on Bonanza with them... After an usage that would be covered by a utility patent is one the market unprotected for a full year, it is fair game for anyone to utilize for commercial sale.
I know that is probably more than anyone wanted to know, but I felt compelled to share.
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12-09-2003, 04:31 PM
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2 gutters and 2 roof racks? How? Did noone learn there lesson the first time?
What is the smart design?
I have seen many racks, but none as thick as the TC one.
I'd like to see a pic of the busted rack though. What brand was it?
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12-02-2003, 02:27 PM
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Ah, that explains why the directions from the west coast to Texas are "Head east 'till ya smell ****, turn right and when your stepping in it your in Texas ....." 
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12-02-2003, 12:47 AM
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This little exchange got me interested in the point me discussed, so I headed over to the Gobi Racks Website.
Amazingly enough it looks as though they have done little to protect any sort of trademark or design of their own besides having their logo registered.
Gobi looks to make a fine product that many people would be happy with but I have to side with Detonate in that a metal framed square with a single raised end would be hard to argue as being intellectual property. I would like to think that the Gobi lawyers will one day see this thread and the only thing they will have to say is, "Sandra, be quiet."
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12-02-2003, 05:26 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIC-H2:
I really like the tough country stuff! Being from Texas, everything is a little bigger than most. I happen to like the higher sidewalls on the roof rack.
I am currently designing my own roof rack, and plan to incorporate the best of everyones designs.
Ric<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Detonate
Nice looking rack. Does it make a lot of wind noise? Mine did until I moved it back a little. I now have the spare tire up on my rack but you can not hear it at all.
RIC-H2
I designed and built the rack on my H2. Here are some pictures of it. I do CNC machining, if anyone is interested in a set of Billet aluminum feet for a custom rack let me know. Eight of them would be about $500 with a clear coat.
Pic 1
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12-02-2003, 12:49 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZeroTolerance:
Detonate:
I like that rack man, what does one of those cost? I think they look better than the others, personally...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You'd have to ask them. info@toughcountry.com
They email their Price Lists out. I'm pretty sure they change the prices based on demand and cost of materials.
I'm a poor bastard, and my wife won't ever let me spend money, so I'm having to work my debt off to them through doing Web Work and Hosting for them.
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12-02-2003, 12:45 AM
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So are you trying to tell me that nobody had ever made a roof rack before you?
Nobody had ever designed a ladder before you?
This is some magical new concept that was invented by Gobi the same time the Hummer H2 came out?
Or is it possible that people have been making racks and ladders for various makes on models of vehicles for years, and years. Even before *GASP* Gobi?
And is it also possible that products were planned for the Hummer H2 even before it was released to the public?
Maybe yours was the first sold. I don't know. That's never what I was saying.
I'm saying that TC has been making Racks, Ladders, Front Ends, Rear Bumpers, and tons of other Off Road parts for not just many years, but generations in their family.
They didn't have an H2 in El Campo Texas the day they rolled off the lot. They had to borrow one from a guy named Mark at Star Customs in Austin. 6 weeks after they got their first H2, they had a concept done.
And until you made a big stinky on the forum after Texas Truck and SUV show, the family owned business of Tough Country had never heard of the arrogance of a new company named GOBI.
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12-02-2003, 11:36 PM
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I don't know about that in todays enviroment.. In the knife industry. Spyderco patient the hole in the blade to open the knife.. Everyone who uses a hole in the blade has to pay them a royalty.. Just ask Benchmade Knife CO.
So Gobi may be able to patient a rectangle.
Mike
This little exchange got me interested in the point me discussed, so I headed over to the http://www.gobiracks.com.
Amazingly enough it looks as though they have done little to protect any sort of trademark or design of their own besides having their logo registered.
Gobi looks to make a fine product that many people would be happy with but I have to side with Detonate in that a metal framed square with a single raised end would be hard to argue as being intellectual property. I would like to think that the Gobi lawyers will one day see this thread and the only thing they will have to say is, "Sandra, be quiet."
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12-02-2003, 05:58 PM
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Nice mounts...
I'm not sure if I can justify spending $500 for some billet, when I can weld up some metals ones for about 20 bucks.
Not to say they don't look really nice!
How is the rack actually mounted to the billet pieces?
Are there mounting screws that go into the billet pieces?
It's OK if you don't answer(Confidential), I was just thinking out loud!
Thanks for the offer.
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12-09-2003, 04:58 PM
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I tell you what, please send pictures and purchasing information on those roof racks that will support a 7,000 pound vehicle leaning into a tree when you find them. I want to buy a set. But I think they are going to be a tad bit more than 2K in cost...
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12-03-2003, 02:09 PM
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I'm not opposed to winter diving, but I'm not Dry Suit Certified yet, and I can't afford one of those expense sons of guns. Matter of fact, I think I really want to go dive Alaska or something. I can't imagine how cool it would be to dive with some of the cold water Mammals up there.
I went diving a few weeks ago and froze my ass off wearing a 3mil Shorty underneath my 3mil full. 
The guys from Tough Country know that people think their rack is too high. Besides me telling them that, several customers have mentioned it.
When they first designed the rack it was designed to go over the factory roof bars. The dip down in the front was meant to cover that gap and provide room for lights.
The problem with lowering the entire rack is that the dip in the front is already within an inch of the roof.
So in order to lower it they would have to remove the dip, well then there is no room for the lights so the only place to expand would be up.
And if you've read even a smidgen of this thread you'd know why they are hesitant to do that. 
We will see. I bug them all the time to get that rack lowered, so maybe they will come up with something. Right now they don't have an H2 to design on, so I've offered to leave my H2 with them so they have one to work on.
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12-04-2003, 09:54 PM
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If you want a short one, why not get the Gobi Stealth like on Alec's truck.
Or buy the Gobi now with the shorties.
As a matter of fact, here is a link: http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6706011751&m=419602192 4
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12-01-2003, 11:54 PM
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This is a Gobi with Tire Carrier and Sun Roof Opening.
There is virtually no usable space on the top of that rack.
On the Tough Country rack you can take the tire down, put in the sun roof insert and have the entire rack space usable for storage. Or you can put your tire on top, take off the sun roof insert and cruise town.
The Rack is also sectionable so you can slide the front piece all the way forward, and the back piece all the way back for storing longer items.
You may think that bending a pipe to make room for some lights is some super secret patentable idea, but I don't.
I just want a heavy duty rack that will suit my needs, and the TC rack is just better than the Gobi, hands down.
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12-09-2003, 04:50 PM
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That's what I'm asking. What would make them hold up.
I've seen many many racks, and I like a lot of things about different racks. However, I have not seen one more Heavy Duty than the one I have. If you have seen an SMA Brushguard in person, the rack tubes are similar in size and weight to those.
I just don't see them bending unless you really whack it into something with a lot of throttle. That is a tough son of a bitch. The 2 piece rack takes a minimum of 3 people per section to lift onto my roof.
The only thing that could be considered a weak point is the brackets. But they are necesary to lift the rack over the top of the roof.
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