I had a mishap at the gas pump

[timgco]

Originally Posted by 03H3

I've been waiting for that to go to video, haven't seen it yet. I read other opinions on the chopper forum, most thought it was good. Of course they mostly live and breathe bikes, they hate the RUB's (Rich,Urban,Bikers) portrayed in the movie. I personally don't see anything wrong with riding in shorts and tennis shoes, when it's hot. I'm reckless like that.

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One more thread jack. I watched it last night! LMAO!!!!!

[HummerHippy]

once, when the only pump available was on the wrong side of the H3, I pulled up and was able to get the pump nozzel into the H3 from all the way around the back of the truck. But, the nozzel was not verticle. It was horizontal because there wasn't enough hose to let it hang properly. Anyway, I too was cleaning the windshield and the auto cutoff failed on the hose. So I wondered if it can be related to the hose position/angle/whatever, as well.

Don't over fill new cars because of the new evaporator something of new fuel emission crap in the tank or something like that.

[Huck BB62]

Egads, people are harsh (and uninformed)

#1. Cell phones don't and can't cause gas ignition. The Mythbusters tried fifteen ways to hell and back to try to make it. There's no contacts, relays, spark making means for one to do so. Myth busted, it's an urban legend.

#2. If cars running caused a tank to blow up, we'd all be dead. There's half a dozen cars running around you at any given moment.

#3. What IS dangerous is static. THIS has been proven to cause ignition of gas fumes, the same as filling gas containers in the back of a truck. Women, more than men, get into the car while it's filling, then get out. They build up a healthy static charge. Reach over and touch the pump housing, and a part of the car (not near the danged gas nozzle) to get rid of the charge.

[Desert Dan]

1 gallon of gasoline (vapor) = 20 sticks of dynamite!

Gasoline is readily available and routinely used in most households. In spite of the routine use of gasoline, many people are unaware of or unappreciative of the dangers of gasoline. Gasoline is dangerous because it is highly volatile. The fumes are capable of ignition up to12 feet away from a pooled source. It can float on water and may spread long distances, making ignition and flash back possible. Gasoline may ignite from a nearby spark, flame, or even static electricity and become a "fireball" with a temperature of 15,000 degrees F.
Two physical properties explain why gasoline is significantly more hazardous than other flammable liquids found in the home:

• Flash point?the minimum temperature at which the liquid will give off sufficientvapor to form an ignitable mixture with air.
• Vapor density?ratio of density of vapor to the density of air. Substances with avapor density greater than 1 are heavier than air and tend to accumulate in low orenclosed spaces.

[fourfourto]

#2. If cars running caused a tank to blow up, we'd all be dead. There's half a dozen cars running around you at any given moment.

Wasn't worryed about it running so much as much as the gas waterfalling out the fill hole , I got out away from pump quickly as posible(had to restart truck) and hosed it down 50 feet away.
I hope the attendant did a proper clean up ,I saw him put a cone there.

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

I was filling up on the way back from camping and I had the pump running as I was cleaning windshield(the pump had a lock clip I didnt wedge something in there) and it didnt stop when full and started to overflow all over the back of the truck. It must have put a couple of gallons on the ground.
Then the truck started to run rough and black smoke came out the tailpipe and then it stalled ?(yes I had it running as I was pumping gas)
It started back up a moment later and alls fine ,I saw a hose next to the office and hosed it down good.I also went inside to tell the guy so he could clean it up and he gave me a look because he had to get off his a$$.I wasnt in the mood to confront him about the couple of gallons I lost ,I was more concerned about hosing down the rig.
If he was pumping and it happened I would of had a $hit fit.

It must have backflowed into vent tube ,also it took a moment to settle down the fill tube.

This had never happend to me even if I wedge something in there, good thing no one was smoking

This has got to be a crime--don't tell me you yanks let idiots blow up gas stations. Why do you think you have to wedge something in handle-cause its stupid illegal and a crime.You should go to JAIL for stupidity if nothing else. Why do you think there are signs everywhere to shut off while refueling. Cause you'll blow yourself up who nobody gives a **** about {you should have died long ago according to the Darwin awards]but everybody else up as well. Every day I'm surprised at the new depths of stupidity that are discovered. The Rebel

[fourfourto]

I didnt wedge the lever open,it had a clip.
The point isnt I had it running its the pump didnt shut off
I mentioned it because it blew out black smoke and stalled.I thought others hear might find that interesting.

The attendant was lucky I wasnt in a bad mood and made them pay for a detail and the gas I lost.
There would have been trouble if the guy said I had to clean it up...Ya right its my fault the pump didnt shut off.
Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )and they remove the lock clip (on long island) when its self serve ,so the station had improper pumps .Something was also wrong with the pump for it not to shut off.

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )

Pretty typical everywhere, we don't have any full service towns, but then again, I do live in Utah.

[DennisAJC]

OOOOPPS!!!!

I think I shouldn't be too quick to crucify fourfour here.

I do recall somewhere in Utah on the way to Moab with DRTYFN during September leaving the engine ON and filling up while sitting in the Hummer's toasty interior because it was just too cold and windy outside.

As I was finishing up, DRTY lit the cigarette in my mouth and proceeded to clean my windows.

So like you, 99.9% of the time I don't do that either.


Me =

[Steve #1]

To answer your question, the black smoke and stalling were caused by the engine running rich.

This most likely happened because the Fuel tank has a vent that goes to a carbon canister, which on most vehicles then goes to the intake. I'm not exactly sure how it is set up on the H3 but, it sounds like you got fuel going completely through the system. The engine ran rich and stalled, or it was just a quick shot of extra fuel and when the computer compensated, leaned it out, then caused the stall.

So, there's my answer to your question.

Now for filling up with the motor running.... shame shame shame on you. It's obviously dangerous and outright wrong. If you believe in hel, pack your bags because you are obviously on your way there.

Why? .......... well, it is the first thing on the list on all the gas pumps, right not to not smoking while you pump gas.....and well....... obviously everyone here knows you shouldn't do it..... because they've told you...... because it's on the signs.........

Somebody mentioned flash point. Maybe the problem is that if the vehicle is running, gas could get on the tail pipe, and if the tail pipe is over 475F (don't think it would be that hot) then you could have a fire. We all know the tail pipe cools off immediately when you turn off the engine. If you don't believe me, just grab yours next time you shut off the motor..... OK, so maybe that isn't the problem with pumping gas with the motor running.

Sparks from the ignition system? Maybe you could have fumes that aren't caught by the recirculation system, drawn in to the engine compartment, and ignited by a faulty ignition wire (there are still some cars with ignition wire on the roads) and boom...... but it would probably have to be a big puddle of gas to be at a volatile level considering the amount of air being pulled trough the engine compartment by the fan......

I'm still not sure.....

How bout this, we all know how safety conscious they are in auto racing, and we all know they shut the motor off while refueling at a pit stop....... wait, no, they leave them running.

I'm stumped, If anyone knows WHY you should turn off the engine while fueling, fill me in..... and don't say "because it says so on the sign."

[fourfourto]

I just tried searching about engine running when at the gas pump.
I cant find anything on the web ?
Alot about static

We all know the static charge we get from the H3 cloth seats(I covered them so not a issue) when getting in/out of our trucks, static snap like that could cause a spill to light up


By DuhWay
I just realized the wife was driving,she was behind the wheel, she forgot to shut off the engine

After 24 years together its not me or she its US like we are one.
If she does something stupid or good, I did something stupid or good

[lennyrebel]

Originally Posted by fourfourto

I didnt wedge the lever open,it had a clip.
The point isnt I had it running its the pump didnt shut off
I mentioned it because it blew out black smoke and stalled.I thought others hear might find that interesting.

The attendant was lucky I wasnt in a bad mood and made them pay for a detail and the gas I lost.
There would have been trouble if the guy said I had to clean it up...Ya right its my fault the pump didnt shut off.
Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )and they remove the lock clip (on long island) when its self serve ,so the station had improper pumps .Something was also wrong with the pump for it not to shut off.

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

[H3PAC]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle.

[RuggedH2]

Originally Posted by H3PAC

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle.

[Steve #1]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.

Just thought I'd point that out incase anyone missed it like I almost did because of Lenny's crappy attitude.

Lenny, perhaps YOU should look in the mirror before you tell someone they?re stupid and to grow up. Somebody not knowing the inner working of a gas pump does not make them stupid. My guess would be that over 99% of the population doesn?t know the inner workings of a gas pump. I?d like to think that a larger portion of the population knows how to have an intelligent discussion.

I'm new to this forum, and this is only my third post. I must ask, what's with all the negative attitude here? Is it always like this?

[Steve #1]

Originally Posted by Steve #1

Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.

After giving it some thought, this explanation doesnt even work for me. In order for the running engine to create negative pressure, the engine would need to be consuming fuel faster then the pump can pump it in. Even the most thirsty engine isn't going to be using a noticeable amount of fuel at idle.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by [COLOR=red

lennyrebel[/color]]Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

lenny, you are a very negative person... many, not always but many times you put you mouth (typing finger) in motion before your awake...

there are enough negative, power hungry people on here already and by you adding to that minority you are lowering the standards of the forum

[BKLYNH2]

when the pump shut off failed on me the engine was off.

[h2co-pilot]

Originally Posted by lennyrebel

This has got to be a crime--don't tell me you yanks let idiots blow up gas stations. Why do you think you have to wedge something in handle-cause its stupid illegal and a crime.You should go to JAIL for stupidity if nothing else. Why do you think there are signs everywhere to shut off while refueling. Cause you'll blow yourself up who nobody gives a **** about {you should have died long ago according to the Darwin awards]but everybody else up as well. Every day I'm surprised at the new depths of stupidity that are discovered. The Rebel

Shut it, Whiner.

[lennyrebel]

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