Hummer H2 Or Porsche Cayenne

[Steve R]

How can you argue against a free lunch????

in one word: MAC

[DiscoDancingRover]

Well of course they would, but i think it will be fun. Hell you get a free lunch, how could you argue against that!!!

[RasterMaster]

Get real! It's amazing that anything else would quaify as an SUV.

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[bklynh2srock]

Realistically, I'd get the Touareg in addition to the H2 we already have. If money were no object, I'd get the Range Rover instead of the Porsche/Touareg. Touareg is loaded for the $$$, excellent value, very luxe, and yes, it appears it will be pretty capable both on and off road (not H2 mind you, but much better than those that lack even 4lo). Especially with the available lockers -- even tho I'd probably rarely take either Cayenne/Touareg off road.

If I get a Porsche, it will be an old 956 or a 912 or an early 911. I am not one of those people that thinks it is sacrilege for Porsche to make an SUV, but it makes me uneasy.

[DiscoDancingRover]

MAC from what I have heard and seen they are selling very well. My dealer can't keep them on the lot. I see them around a lot, not as much as the H2, but I see at least 5 a day. And also when looking at a new car, go check out the Audi A8L, very nice vehicle, better then the benz or BMW, IMHO. But then I don't see why you would get rid of your VP, great car, in fact we are getting one next year, in British Racing Green .

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

[Zing]

I personally don't like the class of vehicles that the Cayenne falls under. Just not for me. Not quite and SUV, not really a station wagon, goes fast as (or faster than) a car, has some offroad capabities, etc. I like pure rugged elegance of the H2. The Cayenne just lacks the "X" factor appeal of the H2.

If money wasn't an issue, I'd have an H1, H2 and something zippy like a Ferrari.

[H2Norcal]

I am done poking each other in the eye.

I am leaving with the understanding we have large differences in opinions. Good to have you on the Forum.

Have a great Fourth of July.

[MAC]

Nothing personal, DC, but that sounds a bit far fetched to me. It takes you 1 year to think about $50K Hummer and search for discount, now you gonna buy a $100K Cayenne just like that? somehow the math and logic just don't add up, very fuzzy indeed. Not just $50K or $100K or your tax numbers, the whole picture is out of focus.

If money does grow on your tree, then you could've bought a Hummer last year, play with it get the tax credit, dump it and buy a new Cayenne, play with it take the tax credit and move on to next new love. You need to make very good money to be able to use tax credit that size, and it takes some guts and risk to use the full credit, plus tax credit is much over-rated. Anyway, at least you have a good head to pick a nice Porsche SUV.

[H2Norcal]

You know it really doesn't matter how well the Cayenne is received.

Steve is right (again), it really is a glorified upper class minivan for the gated community types to say they have a Porsche SUV. It really has nothing to do with off-roading. I mean please, can you imagine running into a Cayenne 15 miles out in the wilderness winching out of a rut.

Uh, wait a minute, I can. Hum, I am seeing something here, it is a man and a woman. He is dressed in Gucci loafers and slacks and she is in a silk dress, they have a picnic lunch (with grey poupon of course) and wait, there's more....um I see two AAA towing guys towing their Cayenne out while the couple sits on their checkboard blanket.... Yeah, this Cayenne could be an off-road vehicle by golly.

[DiscoDancingRover]

I was at my local rover dealership today, which also have porsches. I was talking to my salesman and he told me while at the off-road porsche school a guy who did the Land Rover Camel events said the Cayenne is on par with a discovery. And no wise cracks Steve R

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[MAC]

Diane, What happened to your Jaguar maybe was caused by a chip which was in a smog/cat converter recall, happened to me too on the freeway, but the dealer took care of that N/C.

Chris, the unwritten marketing line for Audi in Germany/Europe for decades has been "a poorman's Benz." I heard that from my Dutch and German friends and counterparts who own Audis, and I read it in auto magazines. There is no shame in that, in fact Audi used that to the max to sell Audis in Europe, and it is their basic marketing strategy. In a lengthy BusinessWeek interview with Dr. Piech, owner and grandson of Dr. Porsche, one time boss at Porsche, one time boss at Audi who was credited with saving Audi from death and started all these new models, later chairman of VW, now chairman of VW supervisory board(which is the real boss in German corporations), he himself acknowledged the quality problems at VW and Audi, and tried to change that. New ones could be better, but I won't bet my money on it. There are other choices, I may not be a rich man, but I certainly don't want to be a "poorman".

[DiscoDancingRover]

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[H2Norcal]

So the picture wasn't impressive, agreed. That is about as much clearance you can get on the H2 before you have tire lift. Moments after that shot the tire was off the ground and I was teetering.

I know the Disco isn't cheap but it is far lower-end than the Range....I see the H2 being the Range-class and the H3 being the Disco when it is all said and done.

[DiscoDancingRover]

Alright I am going to the cayenne driving experence in chicago in august. I will tell you all how it does from my experence there.

[DCfromCapeCod]

Both Cayennes and Hummer are currently being heavily discounted...there is no waiting list for either.

I am currently looking at a Cayenne Turbo....the appearance is mitigated by the 450+ HP.

[MAC]

According to what I've read, VW Touage and Cayenne are very different animals, even through the Porsche engineers developed both vehicles. A VW is never a Porsche, VW owners may dream about it and give you all kind of excuses, but NO NO NO. If you really need to know the hardware details, you have to read AutoWeek or Road & Track or any of the auto magazines. The testers came away very impressed, but that will never please the one-track-minded guys who will judge every automobile by the offroad capabilities ONLY.

[Steve R]

yeah....I bet they'll have a course laid-out that suits the Cayenne just perfectly: as steep an approach as it can handle, as big a rock it can drive over and as steep a side-slope as it can handle.

I'm seeing these things all over town: it's a glorified station-wagon with a big engine. About the only thing is has going for it is the 4x4 system.

[MAC]

I received a mailing from local Porsche dealer, giving $4K off the Cayenne S. I guess there is no waiting list for Cayenne. I wonder why it is not doing so well as Hummer or other SUVs. It is priced almost exactly same as H2, which is a cheap price for a Porsche, smaller and it is a Porsche, you would think it should be more acceptable to most buyers.

[bklynh2srock]

By the way, DO NOT go to the Touareg forum. I think I fell asleep at the keys. Although I appreciate this forum so much, I appreciated it that much more after I'd gone out and cheated on you guys.

[DiscoDancingRover]

Yes that d90 is rancid, even more so then the disco! Steve went wheeling today and got some pics. Jason said it was alright so i will post them tonight...maybe...