Hummer H2 Or Porsche Cayenne

[DiscoDancingRover]

Also anyone see what came in second...The Range Rover ahead of the H2.

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[Otto]

If money was not an issue, would you rather own a H2 or a Porsche Cayenne?

[argonaut]

I think the X5 is very comparable to the cayenne, especially the 4.6. The X5 has unparralelled handlng that only the cayenne comes close to. But nothing can beat the feel of a BMW. I almost bought an X5 last spring, but decided to wait and test drive the H2. I'm glad I went this route. But I am a strong BMW fan, and always will be. The Volvo XC90 may look likke the X5, but it hadles horribly, like most volvos. It is dead and numb. The Cayenne, on tghe other hand, has very good handling that is comparable with the X5. They both drive like cars, and nice german cars at that. I don't know why you are pitying me, but that's too bad for you. I don't pity myself at all, quite the opposite actually.
regardless, the owners of either an X5 or cayenne would be stupid to take it off road on anything but the most basic of trails. They simply can't compete with an H2.

[DiscoDancingRover]

Steve don't want to be argumentative but the H1 and H2 don't have a lot of articulation as is just big tires. And Steve he also told me that most people buy Porsche's for its speed not looks, so your suby story would be true. I wouldn't slap my salesman in the face. He is about as much as a rover enthusiest as I am. I go in there for hours and we just talk rovers. I am goneing to have to go with my salesman on this.

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[DiscoDancingRover]

H2Norcal the boxter was a great move by porsche from the fact that it sold so many more cars then before. And I can't believe you don't like to new one, it is the old ones that look like crap! How would you say the hummer isn't like anything else? You example would also include a lot of H2 posuers. They would do the exact same thing as the GX and cayenne.

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[DCfromCapeCod]

Looking at my registration date shows I started looking on 5/26.....just about when the tax law changed.

[DIANE]

MAC, our Jag was far from perfect. It went into a fail safe mode on I95 while traveling at 80 mph. Our speed instantly dropped to 45 mph and we were almost killed by a truck. We immediately took it to the Jag dealer (it was under warranty, only 36k miles) and were told that Jaguar would not pay to fix it because the computer readout did not show the exact problem. Needless to say we were beyond angry. We subsequently told them where they could put the Jag and went next door to the Porsche dealer and bought the Cayenne. We had actually considered a 2004 Jag until this happened.
My husband raced Porsches (prior to the children) and I know he has been dying to buy a new one. The children make a sports car out of the question so the Cayenne was next. After reading all of the negative comments, we were pleasantly surprised with the car.

[DCfromCapeCod]

The Cayenne was not built to be an off-road vehicle, it was built to appeal to all the 996 (current 911 model) owners that also wanted SUV's. It also turns a pretty incredible time on the N'ring in Germany.

As a Porsche guy myself (1998 C2S Widebody), I considered the Cayenne and I like the numbers but I just can't get excited over the looks and I need the whole package.

[hummer33]

argonaut... i pitty you for comparing the cayenne with the x5. a better x5 comparrison would be the volvo xc90. more of a knoeckoff, but thats another story on its own. but back to the cayenne. 450 hp would be nice but i would never pay 100k for a vehicle that looks almost identical to an lexus rx330. but who in the right mind would take the cayenne offroad anywhere outside an exit on the way to the owner's mansion in Beverly Hills. the designers of the x5 deserve a round of applouse. they combined extreme class with a strong engine and an overall nice vehicle. the cayenne is extremely ugly, NO CAPABILITIES and will probably be so rare you might as well stop debating over such an over-hyped dissapointing vehicle. stick with the h2. itll take you way over the hills, all through the woods, and crash down grandmothers house in the end.

[H2Norcal]

Chris, I guess I need to start digging up the worst possible pictures of your boney-tired "perfect" off-roading vehicle too now.

You are right in many ways. But good driving can prevent much of what you show in a worst example of the H2.

As for your comments on the Boxter. Yes, the Boxter bailed out Porsche in a big way. But any time you take a reputable company and launch a cheap product for those who can't afford their high-end namesake vehicle, you have a sales hit. I guess I see this the same as the Range Rover and the Disco.....

The Porsche Boxter is a throw-away car so Porsche can keep the cash flow to make their real performance machines.

[DiscoDancingRover]

Steve I might get an h2 but they are just damn expensive for me. an 18 year old DOES NOT need at $50k car! No matter what!

[MAC]

AutoWeek. July 7, 2003. 14th Annual Readers' Survey. Best SUV/Off-road Vehicle. Porsche Cayenne.

[DIANE]

We just bought a Cayenne (traded in the P.O.S. Jag). I will never give up my Hummer, but the Cayenne does handle very well on the highway. It is quick and fun to drive. I drive the both, and there is no comparison. They handle differently, drive differently, and the feel completely different.

[MAC]

DC, at least Hummer had a 8-10 months run without discount.

If I were to do it again, knowing what I know about Hummer, I'd go with the Hummer without any hesitation. It is by far a better choice by 1,000%. My major problem now is that I am so used to the huge Hummer size, anything smaller just doesn't satisfy me anymore. MB S500 or BMW7 were big sedans but now they are no different than a Honda to me, in fact all cars are just cars now, also both are too common around here. (BMW7 does have very nice new gadgets.) Porsche Cayenne S will do just fine as a 2nd vehicle, price right, I don't need to spend serious money for a turbo Cayenne. I'll wait for 1 year new/old used Cayenne S, $40K?

[Steve R]

Hey guys....come on...

Let's put a clean perspective on this. The Cayenne obviously has a great 4x4 system...all four tires turning with some form of traction control and perhaps even some locker action....so we know is has the go-forward thing down solid. I'm sure it even has a 4-low as well and a few other swift gadgets.

The other aspect to being a capable offroad vehicle comes from clearance and the general lay-out of the design. The approach/departure angle is hardly there and the clearance isn't all that spectacular. Remember that Arrowhead video I made....well....I sincerely doubt it would make it up that very first hill....especially with those tires!

Now...jack it up a few inches and put on some large-wide all-terrains...now you've got something!!!!

As has been said: Porsche realized that a HUGE amount of their owners already have SUV's in the garage, so IF they make an SUV....their loyal customers would buy them.

It's almost as if they used their great name and reputation and cashed in on it....

What a novel concept!!!!!!!!!!

Tell ya what I'm gonna do: tomorrow I'll call a few local Porsche dealers and invite any of their customers to join our club!

But let's not forget, the Cayenne is probably going to be a higher rated vehicle then the H2: it's MUCH easier to get into and out of, is faster, better handling, better mpg, parks easier and has less 'blind-spots'. I bet it's very luxurious and is built to exacting standards too.

God Bless America and our freedom choice, let's embrace the Cayenne as yet another vehicle to join us on the roads.

Save the negative energy for those rancid Disco's!!!

kidding we love ya Chris....even if you're planning on getting a D90.

[DiscoDancingRover]

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I KNOW!

1995 Land Rover Discovery, with light envy
2003 Acura 3.2TL
1998 Volvo V70 XC

[DiscoDancingRover]

HAHA!!!! I tink there was a guy on gay...i mean discoweb who bought one and was gonna try it out to see how it worked. Let me see if i can find that and i will ask him about it.

[MAC]

Not my words, may or may not be my views.

AutoWeek. 7/7/03.
WOW! THERE’S NO SAGEBRUSH GROWING under the tires of Porsche’s new off-road vehicle, Cayenne, as AutoWeek subscribers gave it top honors. Should it come as any surprise, really, considering the way you feel about the 911? You obviously have discerning taste: Porsche’s Cayenne beat last year’s winner, the Land Rover Range Rover, as well as the BMW X5, the new Hummer H2 and the Volvo XC90—none of which are shabby trucks.

Cayenne gives Porsche dealers a truck Porsche owners can park next to their cars; according to Porsche’s research, half of its sports car owners already own sport/utes. Two Cayenne models are available: the S and the Turbo. Both are powered by 4.5-liter V8s, but the Turbo produces a whopping 450 hp. With horsepower comes speed, as the Turbo model is way fast and way at the top of the truck price food chain at $90,000. Cayenne definitely puts the “sport” in sport/utility.

[DCfromCapeCod]

I am wondering if they bought the Cayennes, etc. to drive on road but to add a measure of security in the snow AND to get on the beach if they wanted to.

Face it - very few people actually go off road. I have a built Jeep for when I do and I would not take a $50K+ new vehicle into the woods...but I want something fun that will also handle the beach, the snow and the 2 miles of unplowed road I need to travel to get to the street in the winter.

[DCfromCapeCod]

Correct....but I would rather have the $43,000 today.

When I sell it at some time in the future, I will have the selling price come to me as income. This can be mitigated by being in a lower tax bracket in the future and/or it can be offset by purchasing a new vehicle.

The bottom line is that the savings is in today's dollars...I literally transfer the money from my tax account into my own account. This is far better than a much lesser amount in the future...especially when I can defer taxes on this forever....or until they are a fraction of the $43K I am pocketing today.

Obviously it is far more prudent to save the money altogether.....but if the future is planned for than there is nothing wrong with living a little today.

You can't take it with you.

Mac - Not sure what is out-of-focus for you...I didn't spend a year looking for a Hummer...I recall starting a search somewhere around June. I have owned Porsches for 15 years so I am always looking at their products. I said I was merely "testing the waters"...I did not say I was buying one tomorrow.

The tax law changed in late May so all this is new for everyone - 3 months ago the limit was $24K.

My income is more than enough to take advantage of this credit and I see little or no risk to do so. The tax credit is a HUGE loophole...if anything, I think it is under-rated.