My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... - Page 2

Superman · #1 01-29-2005, 10:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:

Mark my words, in a few years even Jeep will relegate their suspensions to fully independent. It is all in how it is applied and IS is looking very promising in a current design challenge because of the way it is being applied.

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There is no evidence that Jeep will be going to ifs in the wrangler. There is, however evidence to the contrary.

No matter what you say about IFS it can never provide one simple physical atrribute that makes a solid axle better in slower form of off roading: leverage.

Superman · #2 01-29-2005, 07:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your goal here? It's pretty lame trying to stir the pot <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who is stirring the pot? I didn't start this subject, I am just trying to point out the obvious

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at what point did I say that Hummers were not at all capable?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rubicon has a higher torque/lb figure after all the gearing and it has front and rear lockers so your previous statement holds no water. Knowing those statistics, what magical pixie dust makes it is better crawler? Articulation or not, this is a simple fact: lift a front tire on the H2 and you just lost the front axle. Lift a front tire in a rubicon and you are still getting 100%of the power that is being sent to front axle going to the ground.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to search the internet for side by side comparisons. I just showed you that in the end the Rubicon has more power better traction and a suspension that is better suited to off roading (that has been agreed upon many times on this board). What magical factor it is that makes the H2 better off road I cannot say, but the chips fall heavily in favor of the Rubicon.

I am not stirring the pot. I do not own a Rubicon, nor do I want one. I did not start this point in the thread. If, however, someone charged me with going out and buying for them the most capable offroad vehicle I could find for under 100k, I would be a fool to come back with anything else.

Superman · #3 01-29-2005, 10:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
You are obviously a product of the Bill Clinton school of dodgination <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry I like Bush

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>With all of your experience, why is that so hard to do. Simply prove it. Don't spout BS about their setups which one has nothing to do with the other. Just simply prove what you are saying, that the Rubi out-wheels the H2 as stock. Why is that such a foreign concept for you to grasp? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To ease your worried mind...
http://trucktrend.com/roadtests/ulti...x4/index5.html

Superman · #4 01-29-2005, 11:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Yetti:

I might point out that the Rubicon or any other Wrangler ,Xj,cj,yj,tj has been or will be the "Flag ship" vehicle. That is reserved for the "Grand Cherokee". it is and ALWAYS will the Jeep brands Flagship. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right

The GC is the vehicle that Jeep stakes it claim to rugged off-roadability with... not the direct descendant from the vehicle that helped America win WWII

Superman · #5 01-29-2005, 01:26 AM

Whoever did that needs to get smacked

DennisAJC · #6 01-29-2005, 02:02 AM

Before I got my H2, I was a loyal Jeep fanatic for 8 years.

I can tell you in comparison between my 8 years with my Sahara SE and 2 years with my H2, I can NEVER EVER go back to Jeep brand.

The H2 can do so much more, more cargo, more people, a hell of alot more stable on or off road, safer, more capable off-road I can attest, the list goes on and on. Hell you can even go as far as saying it even gets alot more attention(The whole world can vouche for that.) if you're an attention whore.

If the Rubicon was the same price as the H2, The Rubicon would lose miserably in sales. Well, I think I don't need to go any further.

PARAGON · #7 01-29-2005, 09:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
How is the googling going???

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Umm.... I think you need to go back and check on the differences in time between your posts. I don't believe you have any posts within the 10 minute window you used to make yourself look more stupid with this one.

05H2-Bob · #8 01-29-2005, 12:06 AM

Jeeps are better than VWs

PARAGON · #9 01-29-2005, 09:39 PM

You are obviously a product of the Bill Clinton school of dodgination (no, not the truck). You have been offering this one same idea, that the Rubi is better, as stock, than anything else under $100,000 but you have yet to offer any proof of it, even with your self-professed experience at "wheeling for a long time."

With all of your experience, why is that so hard to do. Simply prove it. Don't spout BS about their setups which one has nothing to do with the other. Just simply prove what you are saying, that the Rubi out-wheels the H2 as stock. Why is that such a foreign concept for you to grasp?

Kevin B · #10 01-29-2005, 01:08 AM

Jeeps are cool...............and tough

Superman · #11 01-29-2005, 06:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
[quote]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league

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At least you're intimately familiar with homosexual molestation. Have you filed a lawsuit about it yet? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said Jesuit, not catholic. Check your facts.

PARAGON · #12 01-29-2005, 07:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
Who is stirring the pot? I didn't start this subject, I am just trying to point out the obvious
Your comprehension is obviously very lacking. With the out of left field Jesuit comment and now this conundrum. I believe "stirring the pot" is not the same as "starting the subject"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>with an argument that was put down 2 years ago when many Jeep owners admitted that after wheeling with an H2 that they are very capable for all that they offer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

at what point did I say that Hummers were not at all capable?
No, you first, at what point did I say that you said that Hummers were not at all capable

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Please offer real substance to your argument as to why a Rubi is more capable than the H2. Having to disconnect the sway bar is only a sign of weakness in design. The H2 can still crawl through all of the obstacles (and many more) than a Rubi without having to manipulate the vehicle to achieve higher articulation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rubicon has a higher torque/lb figure after all the gearing and it has front and rear lockers so your previous statement holds no water. Knowing those statistics, what magical pixie dust makes it is better crawler? Articulation or not, this is a simple fact: lift a front tire on the H2 and you just lost the front axle. Lift a front tire in a rubicon and you are still getting 100%of the power that is being sent to front axle going to the ground. Here we are again. My tractor has more torque per pound and is geared extremely low and yes it has front and rear lockers AND much more agressive tires, but you don't see me touting it as more capable, simply because it is the sum of the parts as a whole, not just some items. And you are severely wrong about the front end. Lift a front tire and the H2s traction control applies more power to the tire with traction. The H2 has the ability to send nearly all of the power to just one wheel if that wheel happened to be the only one with traction.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>So, let's talk real world here. Your argument is based on design not on real world application. Show us where a stock Rubi has accomplished an obstacle that a stock H2 has not and then let's discuss that, for the sake of keeping this above the already-been-tried brow-beating from other Jeep owners. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to search the internet for side by side comparisons. I just showed you that in the end the Rubicon has more power better traction and a suspension that is better suited to off roading (that has been agreed upon many times on this board). What magical factor it is that makes the H2 better off road I cannot say, but the chips fall heavily in favor of the Rubicon. Umm, no. You are the one providing the dissenting opinion here, I believe it is you that needs to convince us.

I am not stirring the pot. I do not own a Rubicon, nor do I want one. I did not start this point in the thread. If, however, someone charged me with going out and buying for them the most capable offroad vehicle I could find for under 100k, I would be a fool to come back with anything else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Fool you are. That, sport, is surely something you have displayed most convincingly.

Yetti · #13 01-29-2005, 10:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I am blindly stupid but you think that Jeep is going to kill their flagship vehicle with IFS while the rubicon is selling like hotcakes at a premium to boot??? Why when Jeep builds a truly serious concept like the rescue do they use a sfa??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

as a matter of FACT...no. the Jeep folks would never introduce a vehicle to put the sales of the Wrangler in jeopardy. I do know that there are lots of versions being test marketed and they would be brothers not competitors or replacements.
the independent suspension is definatly going to replace the old ,but it won't be tommorow..or the next day.

as for the sales of Rubi's being very high...they are a limited production vehicles, so its the first in line who get them, then thats it!

PARAGON · #14 01-29-2005, 10:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Yet another California Jesuit, Father Canisius (not his real name), says the proposal made at the Jesuits' Rome meeting to accept homosexual members came from the top levels of Jesuit leadership in the California province. "There was a meeting of Jesuits, where a number of them spoke strongly about the right of gay men to be ordained priests and that the Church was wrongheaded and going in a direction that the rest of the culture is not," said this priest. "The people they are bringing into the society and into formation don't believe what the Church has to say about this whole 'orientation' issue. The provincials for all the different provinces across the United States wrote a note that went to the procurators' [2003 in Loyola] meeting, saying that they were upset that the recent pedophilia scandals have pointed to gay people as being the cause. The note went to the [Jesuit] father general [Father Peter-Hans Kolvenbach], saying that 'we don't think this is good and we want some statement that says that gay priests are not the cause of this problem and that gay priests are not the source of the scandals and should not be scapegoated.' The California province is one of the primary sources of this whole problem, not only within our whole Jesuit community in North America but in the North American Church."

A similar note sent to the U.S. Jesuits was signed by 10 U.S. Jesuit Provincials, including Provincial Father Thomas Smolich of California, and included this statement: "we do not equate sexual abuse with sexual orientation. We recognize that what is important to our identity as religious is our public promise of chastity and living it with integrity."

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DRTYFN · #15 01-29-2005, 12:06 AM

I wish I had taken pictures of the 2 Jeeps I rescued from snow last year on New Years Day.

It's funny how the jeep-nard neglects to mention he probably didn't have stock tires.

Superman · #16 01-29-2005, 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
You're dealing with mostly educated people here QUOTE]

I have a high school diploma from a Jesuit school and a BA from a Jesuit university. I guess I'm outta my league

MONDO · #17 01-29-2005, 06:45 PM

Oh, my god. It is like talking to children

Plus
You cant pic up chicks in a jeep.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> [quote]My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
« on: January 26, 2005, 11:03:48 PM »

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timgco · #18 01-29-2005, 01:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2. Plus the H2 has an advantage with it's wheelbase in some situations. Rubi's are nice, but I have seen them fail trying to follow an H2 and vice-versa, as I said, I consider them to be about par.

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I have to agree with Seth on this. I have dseen the RUBI work. GREAT RIG! But that short wheele base will flip it over in some situations where the H@ will keep climbing.

Superman · #19 01-29-2005, 07:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:

I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

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You just made my point. the H2 delivers the best of both worlds, but not the ultimate of one of them. You want the best on road... buy a BMW. You want the best off road... buy a rubicon. Go for a road trip in a rubicon... bring a heating pad for your back, etc.

Superman · #20 01-29-2005, 08:46 PM

Feel free to name a better upgrade package as well.

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