My jeep is offically better than a $55,000 plus suv... - Page 3

Buckeye Hummer · #1 01-29-2005, 10:14 PM

Super,

I have wheeled with rubi's and many jeeps in both my h2 and h1. We never had a stock jeep out with us except a rubi. Now, the rubi does well, it follows the h1-h2 UNTIL....we got to big side slopes or steep climbs, which are numerous out here in socal. Jeeps just roll too easily, this is why the military killed them. So, I've gone through an h2, h1 and now I have a tourag. I'll never take the vw off road but it's well made and I dig it for now. If jeep produces the Rescue I'll probably pick it up. The foundation is similar to the h2 with front and rear lockers and other goodies, to me, that is problem solved.

BTW on the steep climbs out here the h1's and 2's were the only vehicles to do the wicked, rutted climbs. The drivers of the jeeps knew they had a greater liklihood of rollover.

DennisAJC · #2 01-29-2005, 03:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
I drove heavy equipment for years. Mostly, rough terrain forklifts. Lull 844C-42's to be specific. The reason that I bring this up is because we put those machines through hell on earth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only desperate, but also reaching.

You seem like a nice sincere fellow, but what are you trying to achieve???? This is a HUMMER Forum! You're dealing with mostly educated people here who have made in some cases an upgrade from Jeep to a more capable vehicle.

I wanted the BEST my money could buy. The H2 delivers the best of both worlds.

If I wanted ULTIMATE, It would be H1. But a sacrafice in comfort on a daily basis.

If I was single or no kids and wanted some open top fun. Taking in mild to hard trails with gear for one person. Yes sure I'd buy a Rubicon.

I'd would NOT make a 22 hour trip to Moab in a Rubicon. And definitely take on some trails we attacked in Moab. If I did, I would take the trails that were designated for Xterras and 4Runners.

Klaus · #3 01-29-2005, 03:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence.

Yetti · #4 01-29-2005, 10:51 PM

Scuse me...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I am blindly stupid but you think that Jeep is going to kill their flagship vehicle <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I might point out that the Rubicon or any other Wrangler ,Xj,cj,yj,tj has been or will be the "Flag ship" vehicle. That is reserved for the "Grand Cherokee". it is and ALWAYS will the Jeep brands Flagship.

PARAGON · #5 01-29-2005, 08:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
To describe you, I could not have said it any better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So let me get this straight. Money is no object. If I was going to build my H2 I would pull the front susp. Install a rc60 from an 05 super duty with some sort of selectable locker. I would then put a Klune V underdrive on the tc. I now have a vehicle with solid axles, more ftlb/lb, and a TRUE 4wd system with REAL lockers (in other words, grade no longer matters in the "10% grade on one wheel" claim, just axle shaft strength now, which is much higher in the front now). I now have a setup more comparable to a rubicon.

You would consider these upgrade useless by your logic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Soooo, now you want to pretend logic has something to do with your postings.

I don't think you quite understand things completely here. Having a "setup" comparable to a Rubi has nothing to do with the vehicles' capabilities being comparable. So, your little waste of time looking up some 4WD buildup info is quite wasted. Why not just give the H2, the Rubi's complete suspension and drive-train systems? Now that would make their setups more comparable.

Besides, I simply requested that you provide us with standing facts where the Rubi has "out-done" the H2. How hard is that if there is such vast difference in their "setups?"

PARAGON · #6 01-29-2005, 06:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
Sounds like you caught up with your "connection" and you're once again under the influence.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Its kind of hard to loose contact when I am my own connection.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>For you, Shaggy, anything is possible and at times I have wondered if you lost the connection with yourself.

Yetti · #7 01-29-2005, 10:34 PM

well...
I have driven the best the Jeep folks have to offer. as a test driver mechanic for Diamler Chrysler Proving Grounds I have had Many opportunites to drive exotic versions of the beloved Jeep.
It has many great atributes, but I have not been able to get a single person at work to take me on for a power to ground test. I asked a guy who has a 1 ton dually V10 club cab to take on the H2 and he said it wasn't worth his time, then he told me to bring the strap and he'd be there....No show.
as for climbing, the Jeeps are like a cat in a tree. it will worm its way through crap only a Dozer could follow, as for the H2... it is the Dozer.
I have been around the trails a bit and the truck has great feel for the ground. I don't think I trust a vehicle more.

If the children of this thread have PROOF of of the differences in the capabilitys I would gladly hear them tabled, but until then sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk.

I only posted the tourag Vs jeep to get Buckeye stired up

ps, I would hope the meaningless **** the trolls have drug in won't ruin a perfectly good thread.

PARAGON · #8 01-29-2005, 10:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
To ease your worried mind...
http://trucktrend.com/roadtests/ulti...x4/index5.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am completely dumbfounded. Are you trying to use that article as a basis for your argument. The rubicon was fifth, the H2SUT sixth and the H1 placed last with the Lexus and the Nissan Titan ahead of all three. Damn, I couldn't drink myself this stupid.

Spike · #9 01-29-2005, 07:17 PM

Keep up the good work Shag. After all YOU are the official H2 Forum sanctioned resident troll!

And now I must get back to bashing this kid Superturd.

ShaggyX · #10 01-29-2005, 08:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by N2ITNSD:
Well one thing he said is true

orignally posted by Superman

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> When people get Jeeps they come with little nuts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Wow...I completely missed that. Classic.

PARAGON · #11 01-29-2005, 10:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Mr. Wills quotes the authors of a book who note "the gaying and the graying of the Jesuits." Notwithstanding, the remnant Jesuit leadership is relatively in high regard: "I think the Church is being governed by thugs," Mr. Wills quotes one Jesuit administrator, who would however not say this about the present leadership of his own order. And there is this "social bond" that is "the Catholic version of the gay movement." In some Jesuit quarters you have the beginning of a new form of social discrimination: "Some of those [straight] Jesuits interviewed express resentment at being excluded by the gays." What to do about it? Tough. There is a little band there of "restorationists." But if the order's general in Rome "should try to enforce the papal ban on any homosexual activity, the already thin ranks could be considerably reduced — gays might leave in droves, as heterosexuals already have."

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kevin B · #12 01-29-2005, 01:44 AM

Jeeps rock

Spike · #13 01-29-2005, 06:51 PM

originally posted by the Shagmeister,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Shagmeister, who now lives in a constant reefer induced haze has finally lost all touch with reality.

ShaggyX · #14 01-29-2005, 02:41 PM

You are all wrong. The S10 Zr2 is the most capable vehicle out of the box.

PARAGON · #15 01-29-2005, 10:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>So in this time when reports of Jesuits dying of AIDS and rampant homosexuality in the ranks, the term "a Jesuit's Jesuit" has taken a whole new meaning. But in the original meaning of the term, Joseph Fessio is indeed a Jesuit's Jesuit and a real priest. We have not heard the last of him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spike · #16 01-29-2005, 09:11 PM

originally posted by Superturd,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I see... so you are the mighty e-warrior!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No actually I'm just a guy that points out stupidity, and with you it seems to be a full time job! The only thing you managed to prove today with this belabored argument of yours is that you are wrong on both accounts, first about H2's being inferior to Jeeps and second about Jesuits not being Catholics. Only a kid would argue a point ad nauseam even when he knows he is wrong.

LasVegas · #17 01-29-2005, 07:39 PM

Give it up Super. Stupid thread in this forum.

Superman · #18 01-29-2005, 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sfox:

Nope, the stock H2 will leave the Jeep in many/most situations. And lets be clear here, the Rubicon and the H2 are on par, any other stock Jeep will be hard pressed to follow an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has already long been established on this board that there is no substitue for solid axles front and rear. A stock Jeep will keep all 4 tires on the ground while an H2 is hanging them in the air. The rubicon has front and rear lockers, a 4:1 transfer case, solid dana 44's. There is no stock vehicle in the world short of a unimog or g wagen that can match that kinda capability out of the box. The defender 90's were pretty good, but who wants an all aluminum vehicle that suffers from electrolysis corrosion, besides, they don't make them anymore anyway.

I don't even wanna go into what I saw three guys in two H1's doing in at Haspen acres one day. There buddy in his 70's 3/4 ton chevy had his hands full pulling them out of mud holes. those things sink like stones.

DRTYFN · #19 01-29-2005, 05:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Superman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sfox:
Nope, a Rubicon that is STOCK will not have swaybar disconnects and will pick tires up off the ground almost as frequently as an H2.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have a wrench and thirty seconds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's not "stock" and you know it. Let's clarify this- Stock shall now be "off the showroom floor". Is that easy enough for you to understand?
A stock H2 will easily go where a stock Jeep can only dream of going. I've got a perfect hill to prove my point. Oh yeah, and some great sand dunes. And some nice mud bogs too.

Superman · #20 01-29-2005, 08:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you have certainly refuted convincingly what I said.

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