What do yal think of the H2 and H3?

[HUMMERDOGG]

My .02 for what it's worth...

If the H2 came from the factory with a Duramax engine rated at 350HP, in a slant back version and with the suspension setup of an H1 then I might consider buying another H2. My experience with my H2 has been that it is underpowered and underengineered and I can't run the biodiesel we are now producing in it...

[SledgeHummer]

Reading all your posts on many threads (not just this one) I get the impression H1 guys are pretty upset at H2s and H3s. why ? maybe their are upset they paid a lot of money for a Hummer only to see it it being almost equalled by a 50K or a 35K smaller Hummer.

I must admit, before my H3, I used to drive a Chevy Blazer ZR2, which is a very capable offroad vehicle (http://www.zr2.com) then GM in an effort to boost Daewoo sales rebadged a few small cars with a Chevy badge (http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo/ ) that kind of upset me too, because I used to be proud to say I drive a CHEVY, then a wuss with 8K die-cast look alike can EQUALLY say : I drive a Chevy.

So I can understand the frustration the H1 guys are going through. having said that, what would you guys think if AMG was NOT owned by GM and it came up with the H2 and H3, would it be any different than the H2/H3 GM came up with ?

As an experienced offroader, also having driven all 3 Hummers, I can tell you out of experience, the H2 and H3 sometimes, in certain rare cases (not in general) they outperform the H1. Specially when the offroad situation requires a light vehicle, the H1 is simply TOOOOO HEAVY.

There's a rumor going around that for 2007, GM will be introducing either a supercharged H3 or a V8 based H3. if that ever comes out, you can bet it will outperform the H1 in any situation.

the H1 however, is better in terms of space and storage. the H1 is more like an offroad Mbile-Home. which is good in a way.

Summary : when comparing the H1 to the H2/H3, you are not comparing apples with apples here. you are talking about a manufacturer who built different vehicles for different applications. Do you use a chainsaw to cut an orange? similarly do you use a kitchen knife to cut down an oak tree ?

Remember, the H1 was designed for Military purposes, even the Military is designing a range of assault Buggies, this is not to replace the H1, but each vehicle has its applications depending on the situation at hand. The assult buggy is fast-attack vehicle with minimum personnel and armament, let alone armor, whereas the HUMVEE is a multipurpose, hard armored personeel carrier (more than 7 people with full gear).

Dopnt compare apples with oranges, they're BOTH useful.

SledgeHummer

[dochummer]

I just got back from a trip to seattle where I got a chance to see up close an H1 and H3. For me, the H3 is a little small, especially in the back seat. Just can't haul enough with it... The H1, surprised me as to how cramped I felt when I sat in it. (the alpha is definately an improvement). I was kind of disappointed with both...I'm happy with my H2...still hoping to get an H1 soon...probably not as soon as before...

[ckhagman]

Originally posted by SledgeHummer:
Reading all your posts on many threads (not just this one) I get the impression H1 guys are pretty upset at H2s and H3s. why ? maybe their are upset they paid a lot of money for a Hummer only to see it it being almost equalled by a 50K or a 35K smaller Hummer.

<span class="ev_code_RED">That is not it at all.</span>

So I can understand the frustration the H1 guys are going through. having said that, what would you guys think if AMG was NOT owned by GM and it came up with the H2 and H3, would it be any different than the H2/H3 GM came up with ?

<span class="ev_code_RED">They ARE NOT owned by GM.</span>

As an experienced offroader, also having driven all 3 Hummers, I can tell you out of experience, the H2 and H3 sometimes, in certain rare cases (not in general) they outperform the H1. Specially when the offroad situation requires a light vehicle, the H1 is simply TOOOOO HEAVY.

There's a rumor going around that for 2007, GM will be introducing either a supercharged H3 or a V8 based H3. if that ever comes out, you can bet it will outperform the H1 in any situation.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Do NOT compare apples to oranges. There are times when a Jeep can out perform any Hummer also.</span>



SledgeHummer

[SledgeHummer]

Originally posted by ckhagman:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Do NOT compare apples to oranges. There are times when a Jeep can out perform any Hummer also.</span>

<span class="ev_code_BLUE"> You're kidding me right ?? you MUST be kidding . It's obvious you're talking about a HEAVILY modified Jeep that outperforms the Hummer. See... my opinion was based on OEM H1s, H2s and H3s.

I AM comparing apples with apples. and in doing so, you are trying to tell me an OEM Jeep (with its 29' tires) can outperform a Hummer ?? where the heck did you see that ?? I mean....how? ...who?...Heeee?....Huuuuu?? ...I'm speechless here, help me out....

Jeeps have a "ground-breaking" clearance, I call it ground-breaking because it's so low the bumper literally tries to break the ground. Jeepers have a saying : "a Jeep is built and never bought" . it's like Daimler-Chrysler is telling customers : we'll givve you the chassis, engine and body...and you figure out the rest

Hummers are almost perfect right out of the production line (I say again : ALMOST). so please dont compare Jeeps to Hummers. Even thinking about this comparison is horrible to me....YUKK!!!

Anyway, getting back to the original subject, H1 vs H2/H3. Thanks for the comments, but you didnt give out an opinion. what I would like to know from reading all posts in this thread, I sense that H1 guys are frustrated at H2/H3, I wanna know why ??

SledgeHummer</span>

[ckhagman]

Originally posted by SledgeHummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ckhagman:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Do NOT compare apples to oranges. There are times when a Jeep can out perform any Hummer also.</span>

<span class="ev_code_BLUE"> You're kidding me right ?? you MUST be kidding . It's obvious you're talking about a HEAVILY modified Jeep that outperforms the Hummer. See... my opinion was based on OEM H1s, H2s and H3s.

</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read my post again. What I was trying to show is that you were saying an H3 might be able out perform an H1 in some cases. That was the apples to oranges statement I made. I just added the Jeep (ALSO) line.

" <span class="ev_code_RED">There's a rumor going around that for 2007, GM will be introducing either a supercharged H3 or a V8 based H3. if that ever comes out, you can bet it will outperform the H1 in any situation.</span>"

[ckhagman]

As for my opinion I think most of the frustration comes from this statement that I have heard from countless people that I have met (no one hear btw just people in public), "I have always wanted a Hummer, so when the H2 came out I was able to get one." Someone who waits 10 years (like I did) to buy the truck they wanted and then bought an H2 or H3. There is nothing wrong with that but it almost gives the impression that some just wanted the name plate. There is nothing wrong with it, it just happens. Again this is my observation from people I meet out in public that have no clue what Hummer ownership is about and not the people that I know on-line and have wheeled with.

[2xtreme]

This has been some intresting reading, normally I would have closed out the topic with 2 pages of posts but I've read every single post and enjoyed them all. If anyone cares

[HeimenHummer]

There are two diferent types of owners.

The ones who buy the H2/H3 just for the name. They have no clue of REAL Hummer ownership.

Then ther are those who initially wanted an entry Hummer(H2) but realized the H2 wasn't entry at all. It rivaled the H1 but for half the price and superior in more ways.

I did just that. I wanted to ease my way into the Hummer brand by buying the H2 and progress my way to an H1.

I was totally wrong. I'll never buy an H1 mainly because the H2 is far superior overall.

If you buy an H1, your spending twice the money just for the badge itself. Face it, most H1 owners I know are just like H2 owners. Some wheel em and the majority don't. The only diference is H2 owners got the better buy.

H1, H2, H3, they are pretty much equally capable. How much you want to spend all matters in how much of a statement you want to make.

[goose]

[quote]Originally posted by HammerH2:
There are two diferent types of owners.

The ones who buy the H2/H3 just for the name. They have no clue of REAL Hummer ownership.

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Whats wrong with that! I mean Hummers are awesome trucks. As far as "real hummer ownership" man, its just a truck not a religion.

I also own a porsche just because its a porsche brand. I bought it because i like it so as my H3

just my two cents

[HUMMERDOGG]

H1 stats: Ground Clearance, Approach/Departure Angles, Winch, CTIS, 37" Tires, Diesel, etc... and the fact you can get a 2002 H1 with low miles for almost $6-10K less than a 2006 H2 Fully Loaded... Trust me I love my H2 even with all it's shortcomings but I will be getting an H1 when my H2 is paid off...

[ARH1956]

Originally posted by ckhagman:
As for my opinion I think most of the frustration comes from this statement that I have heard from countless people that I have met (no one hear btw just people in public), "I have always wanted a Hummer, so when the H2 came out I was able to get one." Someone who waits 10 years (like I did) to buy the truck they wanted and then bought an H2 or H3. There is nothing wrong with that but it almost gives the impression that some just wanted the name plate. There is nothing wrong with it, it just happens. Again this is my observation from people I meet out in public that have no clue what Hummer ownership is about and not the people that I know on-line and have wheeled with.

This is exactly opposite of my case. I was so glad when the H2 arrived I sprinted to the dealer to buy one. I kept my H1 for several months to check the off road capabilities of the H2, then it was gone. The H2 is far more comfortable, powerful, roomy & as capable in all "SUV" activities. Sure my H1 was superior in certain hard core off road situations I faced but inferior in every on road venue, LOL.
Now that I've driven an Alpha 1 the power problem with H1's is history & the latest interiors are more comfortable, still no room though. I'm missing the open top however & am going to buy an Alpha 1 soon. But it won't displace my H2, it's a keeper until GM drops the Duramax package in the H2.

[HMMWV]

Really, whats the point of these kind of topics? These topics always come up every couple month or so, on this forum and humvee.net, and the H1 and H2 guys never agree, it just further divides HUMMER owners. Be happy with what you bought, thats all that matters.

[DennisAJC]

Originally posted by HMMWV:
Really, whats the point of these kind of topics? These topics always come up every couple month or so, on this forum and humvee.net, and the H1 and H2 guys never agree, it just further divides HUMMER owners. Be happy with what you bought, thats all that matters.

Amen to that!


But let's get realistic here. Over there on the silly Bish site, they can bash, ridicule, and insult the H2 freely.

The moment anything is said about the H1, even valid statements, it gets removed or edited and the user banned.

THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIVISION.

I think it is the opposite for H1 owners. There are a handful of good people. But the majority I think are insecure *******s that feel threatened by the H2's presence.

Humvee.net is dying for a reason while this Forum flourishes and expands. Free diologue.

[HMMWV]

Ok, be happy with what you bought AND the forum you choose to particpate in!

HUMMER on!

[DennisAJC]

OK fair enough.

[ckhagman]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:


Amen to that!


But let's get realistic here. Over there on the silly Bish site, they can bash, ridicule, and insult the H2 freely.

The moment anything is said about the H1, even valid statements, it gets removed or edited and the user banned.

THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIVISION.

I think it is the opposite for H1 owners. There are a handful of good people. But the majority I think are insecure *******s that feel threatened by the H2's presence.

Humvee.net is dying for a reason while this Forum flourishes and expands. Free diologue.

How is Hummernetwork.com dyeing. I don't see it. We have been around since '96 and still going strong.

I have never seen anyone get banned except for gator bill. Havn't seen posts get edited either. Jason deleted one of my posts hear because is said. Hummer Club. We have free dialog on hummer network also we just don't talk politics or porn and keep it family friendly. There is nother wrong with either forum. They both serve a purpose.

[LAWDOG]

well I went from the H2 to the H1 and Im glad I made the jump, How many times are they gonna water down the Beast? I got tired of you H1 people (now my H1 family,,shineing me on oh ,,,and the stickers that said I **** H2's now I cant find any H2's anywhere is it because they avoid the Beast?
and yes my H2 was great,,,but had to have the real deal!

[timgco]

Originally posted by LAWDOG:
well I went from the H2 to the H1 and Im glad I made the jump, How many times are they gonna water down the Beast? I got tired of you H1 people (now my H1 family,,shineing me on oh ,,,and the stickers that said I **** H2's now I cant find any H2's anywhere is it because they avoid the Beast?
and yes my H2 was great,,,but had to have the real deal!

So, what you are saying is that the H2/3 is not the real deal? LMAO! They have the HUMMER logo on the H2/3, so it must be.

[KenP]

Lawdog is a dumbass. It's clear from her posts.
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=u...1&u=5131096931

BTW, no pics, no proof.. etc. Just BS. But I guess she'll find a pic to post now.