Why the FJ Cruiser is no Threat to the H3

[H2Finally]

No, the name is Richard but it’s Dick to you... <span class="ev_code_RED">No, that would be Dickhead</span>

You smacked right into the wall with that one... DICK!!

[DTHVLY]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
Try reading comprehension next year...forget about it, you're to dumb to even waste more comment on that one...Sorry, if you were old enough to drive, you would know that...Of course, you would have to drive to understand that.

I really like how you avoid the issues by insulting me and insinuating that I’m not old enough to drive, you are so clever and quick witted. Is that your own material or did you have someone write that for you?

Just shut up, already. Go get some updated specs...You need to go look up the specs again, sport...Try to use accurate ones also...It's already been covered that many of the initial specs on the POS FJ were wrong.

I don’t know what the fuk you’re talking about but I got the FJ specs from SEMA and I also measured them myself at the FJ Ojai, CA event two weeks ago. If you have some different specs for the H3 other than those listed on the Hummer website then please enlighten us.

Well, first.... approach angle can be a pretty important factor. You can't get over the obstacle if you can't even get to it.

Approach angle is important, the FJ has 33.5 degree angle and the H3 has 37.5 degree angle both measured with the stock 32” tires. If you can’t do the math that’s a 4 degree difference, not much, but in case you missed it I did say that the H3 had a slightly better approach angle

It means it's not purpose built.

“Purpose built” Did you come up with that term yourself or did you get that from the all knowledgeable salesman at your local dealership? A vehicle that comes with a real transfer case shifter was obviously built to be a four wheel drive.

"Push button 4wd is....."

Let me guess; Push button 4wd is the best thing to happen to off-road vehicles since IFS and leather seats.

HP doesn't mean crap off-road

I think this statement sums up your off-road knowledge. If you think hp doesn’t mean crap off-road then you obviously you don’t know shiat about off-roading in sand or loose dirt. And what about the 73 more pound feet of torque the FJ has?

No, that would be Dickhead

Uh, the names Dick you’re the DICKHEAD...Try reading comprehension next year...

[h2co-pilot]

DTHVLY (Dicktastesheavenly? - is that on your License plate queer?),

You're never going to win this one, just / yourself.

[DTHVLY]

Originally posted by H2Finally:
Para, what restrain! You mustta really given up on this guy, since I think this is your first post which you couldn't even be bothered to give the correct numbers!!

Yeah why didn’t he give the numbers? Hmmm makes you wonder doesn’t it, maybe it’s because he knows they would prove I’m right. I’ll list them for you just for laughs. These are for both vehicles with the standard 32” tires.

H3

Horse power - 220
Torque (lb/ft) - 225
Curb Weight - 4,700
MPG City & Hwy. - 16-20

Ground clearance - 8.5”
Break over angle - 23.5
Approach angle - 37.5
Departure angle - 35.5
Fording Cap. - 24"
Side Slope Cap. - 40%
Wheel base - 111.9”

FJ

Horse power - 239
Torque (lb/ft) - 278
Curb Weight - 4,290
MPG City & Hwy. - 17-22

Ground clearance - 9.8”
Break over angle - 27.4
Approach angle - 34.0
Departure angle - 30.0
Fording Cap. - 27.5"
Side Slope Cap. - 41%
Wheel base - 105.9”

H3 specs are taken directly from the Hummer site and the FJ specs were taken from the Toyota SEMA brochure as well as measured by myself at the FJ Ojai, CA event.

[DTHVLY]

Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
DTHVLY (Dicktastesheavenly? - is that on your License plate queer?),

You're never going to win this one, just / yourself.

So now I'm a queer who isn't old enough to drive but has a license plate with “Dicktastesheavenly” on it? That’s ok I understand the personal attacks, that’s what people resort to when they have nothing intelligent to say to support their side.

BTW – DTHVLY stands for Death Valley just one more place you’ll never take your Hummer off-road.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by DTHVLY:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
Para, what restrain! You mustta really given up on this guy, since I think this is your first post which you couldn't even be bothered to give the correct numbers!!

Yeah why didn’t he give the numbers? Hmmm makes you wonder doesn’t it, maybe it’s because he knows they would prove I’m right. I’ll list them for you just for laughs. These are for both vehicles with the standard 32” tires.

H3

Horse power - 220
Torque (lb/ft) - 225
Ground clearance - 8.5”
Break over angle - 23.5
Approach angle - 37.5
Departure angle - 35.5
Wheel base - 111.9”

FJ

Horse power - 239
Torque (lb/ft) - 278
Ground clearance - 9.8”
Break over angle - 27.3
Approach angle - 33.5
Departure angle - 30.0
Wheel base - 105.9”

H3 specs are taken directly from the Hummer site and the FJ specs were taken from the Toyota SEMA brochure as well as measured by myself at the FJ Ojai, CA event. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell you what sport, go do you a little google search on the specs for each one and post the results of the comparo and then try to brag about how much better it is. Try to be less ghey at it though.

[DTHVLY]

Ok, I know this is a Hummer forum so I’ll stop busting your balls. I guess well just have to agree to disagree about which vehicle is better off-road.
Getting back to the original topic of this Thread “Will the FJ be a threat to the H3?” I don’t know if threat is the right word but whether you want to admit it or not the FJ will be competition as far as sales go especially to younger buyers. The dealership I talked to already had a waiting list and deposits for their first 6-9 month allocation of FJ’s and Toyota won’t even release prices until late December. Like the H3 and H2 the FJ is a very capable 4x4 that has a novelty look, it’s the type of vehicle they will model diecast replicas and remote control cars after, so if for no other reason than it’s look it will be competition, off-road ability aside.
The way the H3 is a compromise between a luxury SUV and an off-road SUV the FJ is a great compromise between the H3 and a Jeep wrangler or wrangler unlimited. It has a shorter wheelbase like the wrangler unlimited but still has four doors and the options and refinement of a Toyota SUV.

Things I have considered before choosing one over the other.
_______
H3 pros
-Rock sliders
-32/33” tires
-crawl ratio
-rear locker
-approach/departure angles
-under body protection
-large recovery loops
-off-road lights
-sunroof
_______
H3 cons
-push button 4wd
-underpowered
-no GPS
-fulltime 4wd
-front end sets lower than rear
-poor outward visibility
-shock mounts hang 3-4” below rear axle (rock bait)
-GM quality
_______
FJ pros
-Rock sliders
-32/33” tires
-6 speed manual / 5 speed auto
-rear locker
-removable GPS
-transfer case shifter
-ground clearance
-short wheel base
-horsepower and torque
-heavy duty basket roof rack
-off-road lights
-115V AC outlet
-off-road options
-Toyota reliability
_______
FJ cons
-no sunroof
-blind spot
-color selection
-???

I know that a lot of you are diehard Hummer fans and will stay the course but there are at least a couple of you on this board who will not only consider buying an FJ but will be driving one next year.

Happy Trails…

[Mr. I - Man]

Biggest CON

IT IS A JAP TRUCK

I cannot believe you post that pic of jap crap on DEC 7 Pearl Harbor Day.

Go die Now

[Mike B]

GM trucks have a higher quality rating than Toyota trucks, so one of your pros is now a cons and one of the H3 con is now a pro.

[Mike B]

And you don't think the sorry approach and departure angles are a con? Jeez.

[H3 Hummer]

I got a new Truck trend magazine just yesterday so I wanted to add to this fun post.

This is all based on the Magazine info.

FJ Pro's -

a color other then blue

FJ Con's - (compared to H3)

Crawl Ratio - 40:1

[H3 Hummer]

Maybe if they added the Harajuku girls this FJ would be better.

[wes1977]

Originally posted by Mike B:
GM trucks have a higher quality rating than Toyota trucks, so one of your pros is now a cons and one of the H3 con is now a pro.

Can you refer me to a creditable source?

[wes1977]

I don't know if this has been metioned before but I found a pic of the furter H4 concept.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by wes1977:
I don't know if this has been metioned before but I found a pic of the furter H4 concept.

Then why does the skid plate say H2?

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by wes1977:
Can you refer me to a creditable source?

Is your "H4" furter from a "creditable" source?

[wes1977]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wes1977:
Can you refer me to a creditable source?

Is your "H4" furter from a "creditable" source? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would say no. I did want to see what it was going to look like. I stumbled on it not trying to find it at that point. Nothing is creditable about a concept.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by wes1977:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wes1977:
Can you refer me to a creditable source?

Is your "H4" furter from a "creditable" source? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would say no. I did want to see what it was going to look like. I stumbled on it not trying to find it at that point. Nothing is creditable about a concept. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Have you ever heard of the word "credible?"

[Mike B]

Toyota and Honda are known to steal designs from US and European automakers, but this time it looks like Toyota stole the Element design from Honda and put on bigger tires and 4WD.

[ETD]

I did read about the FJ Cruiser with some interest. The biggest "con" for me was that it will be a 2-doors vehicle (never mind the fact that it is not even for sale!). Why even compare it to the H3 which is a 4-doors vehicle? I just don't see the dilemna (sorta like deciding between a rifle and a shot gun when you need something to hunt upland birds). I did own a Toyota sedan once for about a year only but have not had any inclination to get another one. Did compare the 4-runner and Tacoma to the H3 before the purchase but the 4-runner appearance did nothing for me and decided that I did not want to 4-wheel in a pick-up.