Engine for H3 is disappointing

[partsguy]

This has nothing to do with nothing,what the blue hell does ppl meanIf it means people
I can even spell that and it's very short,so
LOL,WTF and BTW

[Attila35]

Kahloq........sorry if i missed it in your previous posts but what model of Hummer do you own?

[Kahloq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Attila35:
Kahloq........sorry if i missed it in your previous posts but what model of Hummer do you own? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did own a military surplus Humvee until last year when I sold it.

[Kahloq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
I give up. You hjaven't got the foggiest clue about Hummers or Hummer owners. Most of them DID buy the image. Every single person that bought an H2 or H1 saw the more practical alternatives and said "practicality be damned" and got the Hummer despite it's shortcomings, the H3 will be no different. Also a basic understanding of economics would help you out here. Yes GM is going to sell as many as possible, but the market is eventually going to stabilize after the initial thrust of purchases...thus a 25% decrease in sales is very understandable.... ....does anybody else want to try and make this point?? I can't seem to explain it on a level that can be understood....

BTW, your opinion about the pulling possibility of other, better diesels is plain old wrong, that's why GM is changing the H1 engine completely in '06.

S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe the ppl you know bought for image only. Thats fine and dandy. The ppl I know in my area did NOT buy an H2 or H1 because of image. Infact they made the choice to either buy or not because of the compariosn with other vehicles. Some did buy, some bought something else like an Escalade. You apparantly still think you can read every persons mind that ever bought an H2. Well you can keep to your fantasy land.

Now tell me, where have you ever seen a better deisel pull a full size artillery piece? huh? You can't(the comparison was with an H1 and a cummins desiel dodge pickup if you dont remember). No dodge pickup is going to be able to pull a 155mm artillery gun. Can a humvee? yes, why? Because of the frame of the vehicle. You dont or refuse to be able to grasp simple concepts. As far as your 25% reduction in sales thing. No joke sherlock. We both stated the same thing, except you cant understand how to read, or so it seems.

[Attila35]

Why did you sell it? Are you planning on getting another Hummer?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kahloq:
Maybe the ppl you know bought for image only. Thats fine and dandy. The ppl I know in my area did NOT buy an H2 or H1 because of image. Infact they made the choice to either buy or not because of the compariosn with other vehicles. Some did buy, some bought something else like an Escalade. You apparantly still think you can read every persons mind that ever bought an H2. Well you can keep to your fantasy land.

Now tell me, where have you ever seen a better deisel pull a full size artillery piece? huh? You can't(the comparison was with an H1 and a cummins desiel dodge pickup if you dont remember). No dodge pickup is going to be able to pull a 155mm artillery gun. Can a humvee? yes, why? Because of the frame of the vehicle. You dont or refuse to be able to grasp simple concepts. As far as your 25% reduction in sales thing. No joke sherlock. We both stated the same thing, except you cant understand how to read, or so it seems. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just plain stupid, to even attempt posting **** you know nothing about. Why are you continuing? You had the opportunity to just shut up and leave after you figured out you didn't have a clue to what you are talking about, but no. You keep showing up with more bull****.

No armed forces uses a Humvee to pull the 15,000lb M198 towed Howitzer. My MOS in the Marine Corps was field artillery, so I happen to know just a little about the subject. In fact, the Marine Corps had to upgrade the drive train on the 5 tons we used to pull the M198s to better handle towing them.

Not even the newest 9,000lb 155mm are towed by Humvees, it just wouldn't make any sense. The Humvee doesn't have the room to carry the expendables or tools nor the capacity to tow 9000lbs over rough terrain.

Why state such obviously idiotic comments? Simply look up the HP/Torque and tow ratings on the H1, compare it to any full size pickup with a diesel engine in it and figure it for yourself. I don't think I have encountered a more blindly stupid poster.

[zakky]

This is the first time I'm posting regarding its up coming H3 and really is interesting to read all the post stating about the small engine. But if this vehicle is sold in Japan, it will be a very poplar SUV and will definately be a hit for Japanese SUV lovers. In Japan their is always tax involved in owning a huge vehicle with huge engines. For example if you own a H2 you will be paying $900 per yr. plus insurance plus auto inspection fee by law every 2 years which comes out somewhere between
$1500 to $2000 annual. This is why Japanese vehicle has small engines and try to produce big horsepower by using turbo chargers. So you may understand why their is not much Full Size not running in Japan.
So my hunch is that this H3 has only 3.5 which I think the GM market is also focusing in exporting it worldwide and the right size for Japan market. Toyota Land Crusier will not be happy if this vehicle will be sold officially sold in Japan.. As for me, owning a Tahoe is like owning a Mercedes or Land Rover same as H2.....

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zakky:
For example if you own a H2 you will be paying $900 per yr. plus insurance plus auto inspection fee by law every 2 years which comes out somewhere between
$1500 to $2000 annual. This is why Japanese vehicle has small engines and try to produce big horsepower by using turbo chargers. So you may understand why their is not much Full Size not running in Japan.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Japanese must have a HUGE tax on male genitals. That would explain a lot.

[Attila35]

Paragon/sfox..........loved the way you slammed Kahloq!

[Kahloq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Attila35:
Why did you sell it? Are you planning on getting another Hummer? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you must know, I sold it to help pay for cancer therapy for my Mom as she had no insurance.

[Kahloq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kahloq:
Maybe the ppl you know bought for image only. Thats fine and dandy. The ppl I know in my area did NOT buy an H2 or H1 because of image. Infact they made the choice to either buy or not because of the compariosn with other vehicles. Some did buy, some bought something else like an Escalade. You apparantly still think you can read every persons mind that ever bought an H2. Well you can keep to your fantasy land.

Now tell me, where have you ever seen a better deisel pull a full size artillery piece? huh? You can't(the comparison was with an H1 and a cummins desiel dodge pickup if you dont remember). No dodge pickup is going to be able to pull a 155mm artillery gun. Can a humvee? yes, why? Because of the frame of the vehicle. You dont or refuse to be able to grasp simple concepts. As far as your 25% reduction in sales thing. No joke sherlock. We both stated the same thing, except you cant understand how to read, or so it seems. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just plain stupid, to even attempt posting **** you know nothing about. Why are you continuing? You had the opportunity to just shut up and leave after you figured out you didn't have a clue to what you are talking about, but no. You keep showing up with more bull****.

No armed forces uses a Humvee to pull the 15,000lb M198 towed Howitzer. My MOS in the Marine Corps was field artillery, so I happen to know just a little about the subject. In fact, the Marine Corps had to upgrade the drive train on the 5 tons we used to pull the M198s to better handle towing them.

Not even the newest 9,000lb 155mm are towed by Humvees, it just wouldn't make any sense. The Humvee doesn't have the room to carry the expendables or tools nor the capacity to tow 9000lbs over rough terrain.

Why state such obviously idiotic comments? Simply look up the HP/Torque and tow ratings on the H1, compare it to any full size pickup with a diesel engine in it and figure it for yourself. I don't think I have encountered a more blindly stupid poster. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are the idiot because you make assumptions on what I've said without asking for any clarification.
Yes, you may have been in the Marines and good for you. I was in the ARMY and I also know a thing or two about them as I WAS in an artillery unit. 4/41 Artilery/ 3rd brigade / 24th infantry Division - Fort benning, GA.
Did I EVER say we pulled a 155MM cannon as a regular event? No, you make an assumption and make a complete ass out of yourself. I stated that the humvee COULD pull it. Did I say how fast? No! Did I say we pulled it down the highway? No! I simply stated that a humvee CAN pull one if absolutely necessary, cuz we DID several times because of the 5 ton trucks that were broke down. We had to pull them out of the mud(there is a lot of clay and mud at Ft Benning). The tow capacity is a recommended max on highway at reasonable speeds. Not the absolute MAX the vehicle can pull without ripping the rear ends out. Maybe YOU guys need to go back to school. I have never said one thing that is bull**** here. You ppl just all want to jump on the bandwagon when you see something that MIGHT make sense to U when someone is attempting to spoutncrap at someone. TOO BAD your wrong.
Under nomral circumstances, I would agree that a humvee is not something to pull a 155mm cannon around, but it CAN do it. I have DONE it.
Maybe next time, you might try civility and actually ask someone for more details before you go spouting off bull**** Paragon, because you made a complete moron of yourself.

Sfox, I never once said the balloon popped for H2 sales. In fact, I hope they continue to sell. I like Hummers and have no problem with them in general. However, even with all your arguements, you just as me, can't speak for the 60K H2 owners. You are part of the enthusiast crowd and thats fine, but they don't represent all 60K owners either and dont pretend they do. As far as taking marketing classes....I've done that already thankyou. Maybe you should.

[Kahloq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Attila35:
Paragon/sfox..........loved the way you slammed Kahloq! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad they're wrong!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kahloq:
You are the idiot because you make assumptions on what I've said without asking for any clarification.
Yes, you may have been in the Marines and good for you. I was in the ARMY and I also know a thing or two about them as I WAS in an artillery unit. 4/41 Artilery/ 3rd brigade / 24th infantry Division - Fort benning, GA.
Did I EVER say we pulled a 155MM cannon as a regular event? No, you make an assumption and make a complete ass out of yourself. I stated that the humvee COULD pull it. Did I say how fast? No! Did I say we pulled it down the highway? No! I simply stated that a humvee CAN pull one if absolutely necessary, cuz we DID several times because of the 5 ton trucks that were broke down. We had to pull them out of the mud(there is a lot of clay and mud at Ft Benning). The tow capacity is a recommended max on highway at reasonable speeds. Not the absolute MAX the vehicle can pull without ripping the rear ends out. Maybe YOU guys need to go back to school. I have never said one thing that is bull**** here. You ppl just all want to jump on the bandwagon when you see something that MIGHT make sense to U when someone is attempting to spoutncrap at someone. TOO BAD your wrong.
Under nomral circumstances, I would agree that a humvee is not something to pull a 155mm cannon around, but it CAN do it. I have DONE it.
Maybe next time, you might try civility and actually ask someone for more details before you go spouting off bull**** Paragon, because you made a complete moron of yourself.

Sfox, I never once said the balloon popped for H2 sales. In fact, I hope they continue to sell. I like Hummers and have no problem with them in general. However, even with all your arguements, you just as me, can't speak for the 60K H2 owners. You are part of the enthusiast crowd and thats fine, but they don't represent all 60K owners either and dont pretend they do. As far as taking marketing classes....I've done that already thankyou. Maybe you should. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well to continue forward with this manic line of conversation. I can't say that I am familiar with any artillery operations occuring aat Benning. Every person that I know that has sserved in some artillery unit spent time at Fort Sill Oklahoma.

I do understand that Benning has a nice display of artillery and mechanized infantry pieces, maybe you had to move a M198 that is one of the show pieces.....Oh I am getting bored and tiresome. Just tell me what exactly was your MOS. You know you missed the perfect opportunity to pretend to be a Ranger since they train at Benning.

[Harley]

Hmmm... Methinks I see an easy way to build up the number of posts I have....

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Harley:
Hmmm... Methinks I see an easy way to build up the number of posts I have....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You got me, I am a sucker for inane arguments.

[Harley]

Nice to meet you!!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Harley:
Nice to meet you!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>NO!!!! It wasn't nice.

See how easy it is to up your post numbers. Of course, I would hope some of my posts would be somewhat helpful.