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07-18-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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Never thought of it that way Dei...good point.
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No it's not, it's a dumb point. Follow that train of thought and you couldn't light up a cigar or cigarette either, because that would be illegal.
That's like saying that you have a law on the books for stealing, so why I have anything specific for stealing government secrets.
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07-18-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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But if someone burns a flag as part of a crime, threat or harassment ...
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how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!
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07-18-2006, 02:32 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.
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07-18-2006, 02:33 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!
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07-18-2006, 02:35 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.
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I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag
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07-18-2006, 03:09 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag
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Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?
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07-18-2006, 03:30 PM
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Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?
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Oh!
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07-18-2006, 03:30 PM
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07-18-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?
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That was close.
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07-19-2006, 07:00 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!
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I already listed one - "what if I want to respectfully retire my flag? I used to be able to burn it respectfully ... am I supposed to throw it in the trash now?"
Lots of things are legal in one situation but not in another. You can yell 'fire' and pull the alarm lever in a crowded theater ... if there's actually a fire. But you'll get arrested if there isn't one (or if you set it).
Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to harass others or commit crimes. It allows them to criticize the government without going to jail. Burning a flag at a funeral or in front of a veteran's house disturbs the peace and directly harasses someone. Filing a permit to hold a public rally and burn a flag peacefully as government protest is something different.
If flag-burning became illegal, could someone burn full-color posters of the flag instead? How about flag colored clothing, underwear, bandanas, shop rags, paint designs, stickers or cars painted with a flag. Where would the ban stop?
Personally, I DO NOT agree with flag-burning ... I only support the right to peaceful protest .
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07-19-2006, 07:31 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.
Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance.
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07-19-2006, 07:36 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.
Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance.
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smoke another joint, mellow-man
there's nothing pointless to something that divides people or that enrages others. Burn my flag and it pisses me off because it's a lack of respect.
Ignorance is offensive AND you can be locked up for it. Better look out!
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07-19-2006, 07:42 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
People don't read before posting.
You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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People don't read before posting.
You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.
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I wonder if you would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or take it to your local VFW
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07-19-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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People don't read before posting.
You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.
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Would you support a flag burning ban? My POV...yes for the above mentioned application.
For any other protest BS...expect an @ss kicking contest to break out in our "redneck of the woods"
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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People don't read before posting.
You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.
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I saw your earlier post and appreciate the info. But I figured a blanket constitutional ban on flag burning could call a flag-burning ceremony into question, which would be a shame.
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
Don't burn my flag man!
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07-19-2006, 08:09 PM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
The ammendment:
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The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment
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This proposed amendment was intended to give Congress the right to enact statutes criminalizing the burning or other desecration of the United States flag in a public protest.
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"Public Protest" are the key words I think.
Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".
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tr.v. des?e?crat?ed, des?e?crat?ing, des?e?crates
To violate the sacredness of; profane.
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A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?
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07-20-2006, 12:32 AM
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Re: Would you support a flag burning ban?
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So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?
ps-I'm opposed to a ban, but I'd also like a ban on punishing people for expressing their opinions by kicking the azz of the fukers who burn the flag, if that makes any sense...
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