Turbocharger

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
Ken when You did Your Lig. did You add an extra pump or just add the boost a pump? That is so cool.
Email Me some of your thoughts on this and settings You have been using so forth.
Thanks
TAZ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>TAZ...in the for-what-it's-worth category STS does not think added fuel pressure in the H2 is necessary at 5-6 lbs boost.

[LasVegas]

Great news. STS called me today & said they are shipping my kit!

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Posted by TAZ:
Email Me some of your thoughts on this and settings You have been using so forth.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Gotcha.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Guys I hope You jump on this with Jonahs. With Him running blocker and talking to STS is the best chance for this to work. The more people interested the better He will get the price. They felt there was no market last year and when I talked to STS from the beginning till I gave up they were not interested because of no one showing interest in this for H2's and I tried to tell them how many from our forum may be interested. I asked the dealer could He talk to them and convince them and still we got no where. Please do not miss this chance. You will like this product. Help Jonahs. I just want to incourage everyone that is remotely interested in this give Jonahs some ammo here to use. If this falls short this time it may not ever happen again. I had given up and figured they were not going to do anything like they said and designing My own, I had just given up and My SC is on the way till I get twins. I wish I had held off a little longer to help with one on My rig. I hope everyone will get on board. If Jonahs does not have the financial support to hold the cost down, I have been through this I know what the cost are involved to get the kit like it should be for the H2. Jonahs has them going in the right direction now with His rig and needs help to get the kit with the stuff in it to give the H2 everything it needs without adding all the cost on the back end. Go to the STS website You will go to add ons and see everything that is not in kit is paid for extra on top of base kit. It is available for a reason, because it gives more power or they would not offer it. Jonahs can negotiate this now while they are letting Him help design the kit for an H2.
Jonahs if it comes down to getting one or 2 more to help it out, let Me know I will see if I can buy a couple or something. I have a friend or 2 that I may be able to get to buy. What ever it takes for this opportunity You have brought about to make it. All I got was a headache for months asking them to build one. You have gotten them farther in one week than 2 months I talked to them and dealer talk to them. Let me know what I can do. It is a great product if You get a base kit with everything you need and do it in Your driveway. The kit for GM SUV is $4995 I think is latest price not sure on the latest. It is higher because they had more piping and larger turbo involved is what they told Me. The coated piping they use is very good and expensive, so the more of it the more cost. I doubt it will be any lower unless Jonahs can get a break for the forum by having a group discount. If He can get it at that price with inj., etc. would be a real bargain. Nelson tuning is what You have to have, if You do not have the PCM they furnish already tuned to meet Your need, it is an extra $550. It is so important that the interest is there so He can ask for all this stuff up front. You will need it.
Jonahs let Me know what I can do. I'll start asking some people here if they would be interested in the final kit. Once the forum guys step up and You see how many are commited let me know. For now count me for 1 or 2 if it helps the numbers. If I have to I'll put My money where my mouth is to help get a good kit at a good price for all the H2 owners.
The only bad thing Jonahs, is now that Your not going to install it yourself, I was going to use that as an excuse to fly out and see You to help install it. I'll have to come out for another reason now and get to ride in it. Keep up the pressure. Let me know what to do to help.
TAZ

[KenP]

That's going to be awesome. I swear the best part is scaring the ricers with that big-ass truck sitting on them. Trust me on this.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
There you go again. Putting it in then taking it out. Damn Ken...are you frustrated? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>For the record, no strap on's around this house.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This message has been edited. Last edited by: LasVegas, 04-13-05 09:08 PM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Was that a "pull out" thingy?

I'll be spot on honest here. If you your dealer won't warrant the trans then I would leave it as-is. If you don't blow it, then good and you saved a few bucks. If you do nuke it, oh well. It wasn't covered anyway.

That's what I really think and that's what I'd do.

I'm sure STS won't warrant the driveline for you, but since you're their first install it may be worth asking for. I look at it this way, they're going to use your truck for advertising, shouldn't you get something? (Now if you're getting a deal like labor plus cost that's different and I would be happy with that) It's not like you're asking for cash, just cover some potential problems. In reality, STS could use the trans upgrade as a potential add-on sale.

That makes it a win-win situation. Major advertising potential for some assurance.

Now I can't wait for the pics. BTW, I used a trashcan sized Garrett on my Buick and never had a problem with coking no matter how bad I treated it. That's something you won't need to worry about with the location of your turbo, but thought you may like to know.

Now what's really cool is I don't see anything about an intercooler. I know the charge air is not going to be as hot as a conventionally placed turbo, but there will still be high temps there. With your ingenuity I bet you'll be able to pick up a Spearco or similar intercooler and adapt it to fit.

I think there's a ton of potential here.

[LasVegas]

Me. STS

[Fastest H-Town Realtor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote...RLTAZH2 The kit for GM SUV is $4995 I think is latest price not sure </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for all your support & input TAZ. I think you have a typo here. THE KIT IS $3995 LESS ANY DISCOUNT I CAN GET US.

Least expensive place for the tire monitor is Vulcan Tire in Utah Vulcan

On other technical issues TAZ, I was speaking with Darren @ Dawes and he had some interesting info. On basic systems with like 5 lbs boost many times you don't even have to tune or change injectors. Just turn up fuel pressure. Of course it depends on what you want to accomplish. As you say there's a wide range of options from basic "wake it up" boost to screamers. The nice part about this system is you CAN just buy the kit, install it yourself in 5-6 hours & you're turbocharged for $3995. The most you might want to do is have someone put a scope on it & turn up the fuel pressure a little if needed. My Dawes gauges have already told me that at WOT in open loop H2s are really on the rich side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


1-Isn't "open loop" a warm up program? The PCM should go "closed loop" upon the temperature sensor reading 180ish degrees. Does that effect air/fuel ratio?

2-Increasing injector pressure drops fuel pump flow dramaticly. Has the turbo company wide band fuel monitored such a mod?

[GeorgeSSSS]

Would it make sense to install headers to handle the higher volume of exhaust gas? It seems to me this would increase milage and power as well as help keep the exhaust valves cooler. Might be overkill though.

George SSSS

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Jonahs get us the numbers on how much the fuel pump regulator can gain in fuel pressure and flow by volume if posible. It would be very intersting to see how much pressure can be increased by.
Exciting stuff for sure.
thanks
TAZ

[h2co-pilot]

I'm excited for you Jonahs!! It will be awesome.

(not talking about the decal, though color coordination is always cool )

[LasVegas]

Oh...and you get a nice color coordinated STS decal!

[LasVegas]

For those interested in this system here's some added technical information based on my conversation with STS & inspection of my H2.

Two primary concerns I've read in past threads had to do with turbo damage & water. STS has designed & installed many kits on vehicles MUCH lower than H2s & after getting under my H2 tonight & visualizing where this is going to mount here's my observations:

The turbo replaces the muffler, always towards the rear of the muffler. When you look at the H2 muffler location it's obvious the turbo will be mounted very high and if you ever damage the turbo you've already damage a great deal more like your driveshaft, fuel tank, frame, etc. It will really be protected I think.

Most just stub the intake right off the turbo with a K & N filter (included in kit). However, STS offers a simple flexible snorkel that allows you to relocate the filter to a location of your choice. The H2 is perfect. I observed where you could locate it up inside the backside of the wheel well and would end up 8"-10" HIGHER than the TOP of your rear tire. If you were to submerge your H2 in water that high you're doing some serious fording.

I post this information to address some logical questions that may come to mind.

[LasVegas]

KEN...The more I've thought about it I'm just wondering if I shouldn't do something to the transmission? What's the least you could do to strengthen it a bit...you know the bands, etc. And I wonder about what that costs. I really don't plan to be stomping on it from the stop light..I just don't drive that way anymore but there's bound to be occasions where I'll stand on it in traffic, passing, etc. What's your honest opinion Ken?

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GeorgeSSSS:
Would it make sense to install headers to handle the higher volume of exhaust gas? It seems to me this would increase milage and power as well as help keep the exhaust valves cooler. Might be overkill though.

George SSSS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>George. For whatever reason they say it isn't needed with turbocharging vs supercharging. Not that it would hurt but they say not to go to that expense.

[LasVegas]

Interesting conversation with the installer today who has no real vested interest in this project. He said they installed a basic STS in a 5.3 liter GMC truck and it stayed bumper to bumper with a blown camero at the track.

[LasVegas]

Okay guys. You all finally got me interested. I'm going to be the first (probably) to turbocharge an H2. In the basic version it's about 5 lbs boost & "easy" install. They swear that under normal highway driving conditions you can also expect 2-4 mpg increase. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GONEGOLFING:
It's about time. I was wondering when somebody was going to start think logically. I have been searching this topic since day one and couldn't believe that someone hasn't already done this. I would love to here the results and see the pics. Keep us updated Please! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've spoke with several installers about this system and they're all very impressed with both the performance & quality. I'll keep you posted.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fastest H-Town Realtor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote...RLTAZH2 The kit for GM SUV is $4995 I think is latest price not sure </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for all your support & input TAZ. I think you have a typo here. THE KIT IS $3995 LESS ANY DISCOUNT I CAN GET US.

Least expensive place for the tire monitor is Vulcan Tire in Utah Vulcan

On other technical issues TAZ, I was speaking with Darren @ Dawes and he had some interesting info. On basic systems with like 5 lbs boost many times you don't even have to tune or change injectors. Just turn up fuel pressure. Of course it depends on what you want to accomplish. As you say there's a wide range of options from basic "wake it up" boost to screamers. The nice part about this system is you CAN just buy the kit, install it yourself in 5-6 hours & you're turbocharged for $3995. The most you might want to do is have someone put a scope on it & turn up the fuel pressure a little if needed. My Dawes gauges have already told me that at WOT in open loop H2s are really on the rich side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


1-Isn't "open loop" a warm up program? The PCM should go "closed loop" upon the temperature sensor reading 180ish degrees. Does that effect air/fuel ratio?

2-Increasing injector pressure drops fuel pump flow dramaticly. Has the turbo company wide band fuel monitored such a mod? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Current 02 sensors have heaters & go into closed loop usually in less than a minute. They remain in closed loop with the PCM except at WOT where preset PCM program takes over. It's then in open loop (02 sensors not affecting PCM) while at WOT.

We're talking about turning up the fuel pump pressure regulator and yes there is a limit to this.