Uh-Oh! We're in Trouble!

[Heward Jablowme]

Why thank you Drag, I try to post negatives from both sides of the spectrum.

"The person who said money isn't everything...never had any!"

[Frank Hewitt]

fat slob- aka Mr. goodbar,
where'd you go?? was there a sale price on a samuri on ebay? Rush out and buy the tahoe and give me an email--- we'll go wheelin'!

gasman

[KenP]

What does the NHTSA have to do with CAFE standards. Or is their real motivation to decrease the size of vehicles on the road.

H2 does not weight 8500lbs.

I do not think 12 mpg is that bad. If I did I would not have purchased the truck.

Black Lingenfelter Lux

[MAC]

To be the target is the price of success or the chosen one must pay.

If you are doing well at work and promoted, some people will be saying something bad about you behind your back. If you are rich, somebody will be making fun of you or try to take your money legally or illegally. If you are the winner, some people will be trying to talk you down. If you don't share the same opinion as the majority, some will attack you. If you are an American, some people in this world will hate you for being an American.

There is no surprise why Hummer is the target, because Hummer is the Chosen one. It is The biggest and most expensive American auto, it does not blend in but it stand tallest among all, it screams "I am the biggest, I am the best and I am the King!" Why won't the mob attack Hummer?

The question is, are you worthy to be a Hummer? can you handle the success and all the attention it attracts? are you a strong and confident man to withstand the insults and ridicule? does the King change his course or get into a argument with jesters?

In the end, the weak and the impostors shall retreat, only true knights stand tall on the hill.

[Drag]

Heward, please read the below topic, and tell me if you think that lack of govenment regulations is the problem. You did get it partially right though, nobody will buy 'em.

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6916043161&m=922604151 5

Yes, this is my truck. No, I will NOT help you move.

[frank6150]

Wow I am surprised you came up for air from jamming Krispy Kremes and fudge into your mouth long enough to muster up a post. I won't continue as I will leave your bashing to DRTY, it is my christmas present to him.

[Steve R]

We're just the consumers, we bought these toys because of what they are, not on account of their mpg statistics. I think we all basically relegated the fuel issue as being circumstantial.

Diesel engines have been proven to get substantially better mileage AND lower/cleaner emmissions as well. Beyond that, there's all sorts of alternative fuels and super-efficient designs out there. Let the gov't fund research and offer incentives towards better engines and means of powering vehicles.

I don't want to sound like one of those conspiracy theorist, but the technology is out there...there's just too much oil-related economic interest to allow better technology to flourish just yet.

And for the record, ANY 8-cylinder engine is basically getting the same mileage as we are...we just stand out more on account of our width & height.

[89vette]

Oh good. I love government intrusion. I mean how would we ever know what was good for us if we did not have them to tell us?

03 Sunset H2!
89 Vette
02 Escalade

[Steve R]

Drag...

What you read one day evolves into something else the next. Now they say red-meat & eggs aren't so bad, and my health-bud tells me carrots are actually full of sugar and apples are all carbs!!! Go figure!!!

I too thought diesel was a disgusting & filthy inefficient fuel....then I read/was told that when properly tuned, the emissions are less harmful to the environment then gasoline.

I like the thinking going on in here. Just for the record...when I first saw the H2, my initial thought was "why did they have to make it soooooo big???". My old Jeep Cherokee held two full-sized adults up front, carried 3 in the rear and had a lot of cargo room: why'd they have to make the H2 so damn large????

Now...I saw the H3T and it sports a nifty 5-cylinder engine that puts out some 350 horosepower (more then H2) and comes turbo-charged: less weight, more power, fewer cylinders: could GM be moving in the right direction???

In closing: My friends have a VW Golf that is a turbo-diesel...it's relatively quick and gets 52 mpg:

Hmmm: Size of a Jeep Grand, a bit wider, all the refinements of a Hummer, 5-cylinder inter-coled turbo-diesel with a high-pressure fuel atomizer and a strong aluminum frame.......it'll probably get about 28mpg and the greenies will choke for a new reason to hate us!

It'll never happen cause it just makes too much sense!

MAC, finish this up for me!

[Drag]

Steve,

My big problem with diesel is NOx emission. Unless there's a particulate trap on the exhaust, then it's going to handle that issue. Particulate traps are expensive though, and they don't last much past 100K miles. Therefore, I don't know how many of them we'll see on realworld production type vehicles. That can change, though.

One of my biggest doubts about diesel fuel is simpy that CAFE and emissions laws are designed with a predominantly gasoline fleet in mind. Diesel has the deck stacked against it due to EPA meddling in emissions laws and especially the rabid group called CARB (California Air Resources Board). Those fools seem to think that they can legislate product into existence, even though the product doesn't exist.

Once we have emissions laws that make more sense for diesel fuel, then I'd be glad to drive one. I love the gobs of low end torque, and getting better miles per would be nice. I don't want to have to pay an automakers fines for violating CAFE or the Federal Clean Air act by buying a diesel engine truck while Clean Air laws are so slanted against diesel, though. anyone who thinks that automakers wouldn't make you pay through the nose to get a vehicle that brings them closer to fines is smoking (**%^.

Yes, this is my truck. No, I will NOT help you move.

[Cincinnati h2]

Hell with the tree huggers,99% of the negative comments I get about my h2 are made by people who know nothing about it. I get tired of expaining that it is no different than any other fullsize truck/suv with regards to gas consumption/emisions.

[MAC]

The battle of special interest groups have been fought for decades and will continue for decades, it goes back and forth, a lot depends on what kind of President in the White House. After 4-8-12 years, it swings back to the other side, so on and so forth. Just imagine if Al Gore is the President now, which part of the gutter do you think we live in? Your vote does count.

If you are an environmental activist, you have to pick one auto as the target, what would you pick? you can't really pick a Lexus LX470, MB G500, there is no BANG! to pick on them, people might think you are a racist if you pick on imports. You can't really pick Ram trucks, not smart to mess with those truckers, they get physical too easily. You can't hate Jeeps because everyone is driving a Jeep. When you come down to it, you really have no choice but to pick on the Hummer H2, more bang for your bucks, newest biggest expesnive and flashy. Perfect choice.

I for one, don't mind being the target at all. It is an honor. The more they hate my Hummer, the happier I am, they are helping to inflate the Hummer image. They help drive away the meek and the weak potential Hummer owners, they make me the enemy of the Left which is exactly whom I am and what I want to be, they make my Hummer larger than life, they make the Left sleepless at night. This is turning out to be far better than I expected.

[H2BIG]

I'll give the H2 another 5 years before GM shrinks it. I'm betting that in time my 03 will become another "American Classic" like the muscle cars of the 60's and early 70's.

Brian
03 Pewter H2 Lux, Sunroof, Airaid filter/MIT, Nology Wires, Corsa Touring

[devilsfan]

I think the H2 is fair game. I absolutely love my truck, but 12 MPG really is abysmal. Hummer/AM General has the capability to do better, and I think it would benefit the consumers.

2003 yellow Lux series
Sunroof, 3rd row seat, yellow painted dash, locking gas cap
Tree-hugger embedded in grill

[Steve R]

Not to mention the traction control system, rear locker, height control, air suspension, frame reinforcement, suspension augmentations, heavier-duty parts, significantly more protection, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc......

And...by the time you take a Tahoe and buy the nicest package (to bring it almost even with the luxury of the H2)...you'd still have to add some more goodies. The difference in price is about $7K (between stock H2 and ultra-nice-package Tahoe) and you're still not even close to having the same features as the H2.

Bottom line: if you took a top-of-the-line Tahoe and added as many features as you could to make it the ultimate offroader.....you'd spend as much or MORE then an H2 and still not have the same abilities or features.

If your gonna compare the H2 to a Tahoe, you may as well compare a Porsche Carrera to a VW Bug.

Or in Fat Slob's case...a fat monkey to a Human.

[H2 REGION RATS]

RIGHT ON-

[Kevin B]

I gotta hand it to fat slob, thats a new one. The H2 is a tahoe. REALLY. My salesman assured me it was the end-all offroad vehicle.......Ya maen HE LIED..

What a knuckle head. Hey Fat Slob, go stuff the turkey .

[DRTYFN]

Ha ha ha!!!! What a fat idiot. You obviously didn't open those lard stuffed eyelids and do any reading while you were in here. You just had to jam those big fat chubby fingers into your keyboard to show the world that the only reading you do is on a menu.
Do poseurs run Moab or the Rubicon? Just because you can't heft your big fat ass up into one doesn't mean you have to hate the H2.
Do some reading in here and find out how we've dispatched all of the other ignorant trolls like your self. If you need some motivation just pretend you're looking for the secret location of the last golden Willie Wonka ticket.

Where's Kevin Spacey to tie you to a chair and force-feed you to death when we need him?

Ho ho ho!!! You fat hump.

[Queen Sheba]

And so it begins......

Feds to Tighten Fuel Rules

We have a nice shot of the SUT there. Why are HUMMERs always the first ones to be picked on? Or is that obvious?

"I don't believe that life is supposed to make you feel good, or to make you feel miserable either. Life is just supposed to make you feel"

[Klaus]

History is about to repeat itself. You young folks don't remember the era of the muscle car. They were big sellers, in high demand. Then the government targeted them, passing regulations that made it impossible to build them. In a year or two, they ceased to exist.

Get ready to see that happen soon with trucks...

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."