Hurrah!

[KenP]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

Sorry, but use a forged IP and join the banned. Take your fact ignoring agenda-carrying hippy ass somewhere else.

[DennisAJC]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

Sorry, but use a forged IP and join the banned. Take your fact ignoring agenda-carrying hippy ass somewhere else.

POWN3D

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

Originally Posted by DRTYFN

Sorry, but use a forged IP and join the banned. Take your fact ignoring agenda-carrying hippy ass somewhere else.

BTW: What exactly is a forged IP?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe

How's that? Hummer require more steel and materials for construction and it uses at least three times as much gas(the H-3 gets as much as 20 MPG) and emits at least three times as much co2.(your reference is ???) If you're citing the Dust to Dust article, that's now being refuted by peer(Exactly WHO) reviewed studies. The results for this article used arbitrary life terms for both the Hummer (almost 300,000 lifetime miles) and the Prius (just over 100,000 life time miles) vehicles and other methods of analysis are now being called into question(by who). A subsequent peer(by who) reviewed re-analysis has cited that the life cycle energy requirements for the Prius hybrid (as well as any small car) are far lower than that of Hummers and SUV's.

BY WHO...REFERENCES...ANYWER QUESTIONS PLEASE

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

Originally Posted by zoe

How's that? Hummer require more steel and materials for construction and it uses at least three times as much gas and emits at least three times as much co2. If you're citing the Dust to Dust article, that's now being refuted by peer reviewed studies. The results for this article used arbitrary life terms for both the Hummer (almost 300,000 lifetime miles) and the Prius (just over 100,000 life time miles) vehicles and other methods of analysis are now being called into question. A subsequent peer reviewed re-analysis has cited that the life cycle energy requirements for the Prius hybrid (as well as any small car) are far lower than that of Hummers and SUV's.

Wowza. I'm gone two days and this is what happens?

Oh, dear. Well first zoe, way to be a hippie. -One who has obviously tired of the Prius forum. I think its great that you are so avidly protecting our earth, and saving all us Hummer enthusiasts from ourselves! I mean, if you wouldn't do it, who would, right? By the way, I had no idea about what the 'Dust to Dust' paper was. (But thanks for bringing it up and fueling the fire!) I was actually referring to the H2 being more 'green' than your precious Prius. There are multiple articles online, as well as multiple topics in this forum with the evidence supporting my view. I don't really like arguing with someone in posts, and I know you're trying to come across as a really intelligent person. -But zoe, honestly, if you come to a HUMMER FORUM trying to badmouth HUMMERS and promote a small gas/electric vehicle made by a Japanese auto company, that's just dumb.

By the way, welcome to the forum!

[KenP]

That huge zinc mine in Canada where Toyota gets their material for the batteries sure is a nice thing for the environment. Those batteries sure are easy to dispose of, too.

Humm, come to think of it, Toyota's plastic sure is good for the landfills too.

I wonder how long all that garbage sits before decomposing since it can't be recycled.

Just curious Zoe, how much energy was used developing the new technology for the batteries and plastics in the Prius? Heck, how much energy is used making those products so they can sit in landfills for decades to come?

I was also curious what it costs to ship those exotic materials back and forth across the globe to build the Prius.

Virtually the entire H2 can be recycled.

Oh yeah, what's the usable life expantancy of the Prius? I don't mean how long it's plastics will be in the landfills, but what's the true life expectancy? Isn't it half the H2's?

Wow.

I think I'd rather get the gas Honda Civic that's better for the environment.

I guess the Prius is like that enviro concert going on right now around the world. It doesn't mater what it costs the environment to put the show on, as long as they appear to be doing some good it's ok.

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by KenP

That huge zinc mine in Canada where Toyota gets their material for the batteries sure is a nice thing for the environment. Those batteries sure are easy to dispose of, too.

I'm assuming you're speaking of the Nickel plant (not zinc). This plant has been around for 100 years. Toyota purchases anywhere from 1% to 6%of the materials sourced from this plant. Hummers are not exempt for the impacts of this plant as Nickel is required for the manufacture of stainless steel. Hummers required more steel and have been around a lot longer so anyone who purchases these goods made from stainless steel have to own some of this responsibility as well.

Someone mentioned the disposal of the batteries in the Prius and these are recycled. Toyota offers a premium for compliance of this.

I joined this site to have a conversation about a misconception of the Hummer. It seems you guys just don't want to take accountability for your actions and confront the impacts of your purchases so you immediately ban me (still trying to figure out for what as I've conducted myself in a very reasonable manner). I'm sure the information contained in my first paragraph will get me banned again. So, carry on and promote your disinformation campaign in an effort to ease your conscience.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

HOLY GOD!!! Stop now hippie! STOP NOW!! Take your politely-smug-typing-skills to the Prius forum where you belong!

BEGONE DEMON! BEGONE!

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by zoe1

I'm assuming you're speaking of the Nickel plant (not zinc). This plant has been around for 100 years. Toyota purchases anywhere from 1% to 6%of the materials sourced from this plant. Hummers are not exempt for the impacts of this plant as Nickel is required for the manufacture of stainless steel. Hummers required more steel and have been around a lot longer so anyone who purchases these goods made from stainless steel have to own some of this responsibility as well.

Someone mentioned the disposal of the batteries in the Prius and these are recycled. Toyota offers a premium for compliance of this.

I joined this site to have a conversation about a misconception of the Hummer. It seems you guys just don't want to take accountability for your actions and confront the impacts of your purchases so you immediately ban me (still trying to figure out for what as I've conducted myself in a very reasonable manner). I'm sure the information contained in my first paragraph will get me banned again. So, carry on and promote your disinformation campaign in an effort to ease your conscience.

where is gooey gaybob when you need him !!!

LOOK... GIVE US your references, not he said / she said ...
you are the one coming to us saying this and that, you are challanging us but cannot reference sources that can be verified...

When I argue before those 9 men and women in Washington, a case, I just can't go in and say " bull chit" and "just believe me"
They would put me into the slammer with some of my clients...

My GOD man if you have had some High School Debate or English and/or college science/math you have to defend your words with proof

Now if you never took High School English or Debate or college science courses at least bull **** better then what you have shown here...My CAT, Gaylord Focker could present a better arguement then you have shown...

RYD

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by KenP

I guess the Prius is like that enviro concert going on right now around the world. It doesn't mater what it costs the environment to put the show on, as long as they appear to be doing some good it's ok.

I thought this was pretty funny: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...DA5NjliMmQyMDI=

[Agriv8r]

i bought three acres for under a hundred bucks...just gotta talk the wife into moving now..

[zoe1]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

I thought this was pretty funny: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...DA5NjliMmQyMDI=

The Prius isn't the answer to any of our environmental concerns, but at least it provides technology that may move us in the right direction - which is away from oil. If I were to support technology of choice, it would be the electric car.

Regarding Live Earth, I knew there would be arguments on this side of the coin. Trouble is, it takes massive amounts of energy to broadcast a message on such a grand scale. The hope is that this message will not fall on deaf ears and maybe it'll persuade our youth to engage their choices in a more responsible manner. Well, hopefully anyways.