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11-27-2003, 04:50 PM
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What is SAS?
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11-28-2003, 12:34 PM
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Got cha!!!
It seems to me a SAS would cost a bit more than a locker, considering all the work needed on an H2. I problably would have to add a lift and whole new drive train????? I don't know. It justs sounds like a lot.
Besides, the IFS is what gives the H2 a smooth and stable ride on the road.
Thanks for the advice,
R2
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11-26-2003, 04:14 PM
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mmm front locker
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11-27-2003, 04:45 PM
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I would put the $$$ into a front SAS before spending good coin on a front locker of any sorts.... You would have a stronger front(depending on what axle you choose) and a more capable rig...
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11-25-2003, 11:25 PM
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PS....
It is standard practice to air down anytime you go wheeling!!!!
Just a thought.
R2
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11-28-2003, 06:50 PM
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crash, I would like to know what you drive???? and the specs. What does the Troll in the sig. mean??
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11-27-2003, 03:34 PM
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I would like some more lockers. maybe not on the front wheels like you guys though. How about a locker on the glovebox? Or a locker on the center cosole? (did that sound MAC like to anybody else?). Seriously though, for me, the rear and TC seem to be enough. I'm sure if I was doing more rock crawling a front would be good, but as I don't, I'm satisfied with what I've got.
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11-26-2003, 10:02 PM
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Ok Steve, Here it is>>>>>>>
>>Flame Throwers
>>Automatic Hedge clippers
Non-supported instalation by the dealer (mounts behind the bumper)
>>Rock crushers
it's the button right of the TC2
>>Pontoon kit
For fording over 80's
>>Anti-roll bars
allows me to travers at 55 degrees
>>Automatic Turkey cooker
for special times in the trail
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11-25-2003, 11:12 PM
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I was in VT with a H1, we were climbing a stepped part of a steep trail (1' to 2' steps) I did it without airing down & had to beat on my H2 to do it. He aired down & drove up it like he was on pavement, so I aired down & did it again & did it as easy as him. It just seem to me that buying lockers for the front is a waste of time & money
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11-29-2003, 06:48 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R2:
Are you realy a certified H2 Mech?
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Yup, I have a few certs for specific areas on the rig. I also specialize in engine performance and electrical at a chev/hummer dealership (been there going on 15 years)
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11-25-2003, 11:06 PM
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Seriously, does anyone know where to get front lockers for an H2?
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12-01-2003, 04:10 AM
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It's commonly referred to as SFA, Solid Front Axle....never heard of SAS, but it's all good.
I've spoken with a few techies about such a thing (IFS to SFA) and they firmly believe that the IFS on the H2 is amazingly better performing then you'd imagine and there'd only be a slight margin of improvment in performance. Dollar-per-value, I'd put my money on the front-locker first and foremost.
A lot of people who are really into solid axles overlook the benefits of the independent set-up. When your axle starts lifting, it may push the other wheel downward, but it also starts turning the wheels/tire on it's edge. Also, I don't think we sacrifice that much clearance with the IFS.
Beyond that (and taking in a dose of huge reality)...the H2 just isn't ever going to be a rock-crawler: it's too wide, too long a wheelbased and just inherently doesn't have enough clearance. All that work putting an SFA on an H2 is like putting small wings on a hippo: it's never gonna fly anyways!!!
Lastly: some of these non-Hummer guys walk on egg-shells and try to oblige us at every turn...it's really not fair to jump on them and dis their stuff just cause they're not Hummer owners. IF they get nasty/mean...then fine, light 'em up....but if they are cordial and play friendly, let's learn and keep an open door policy.
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11-25-2003, 11:23 PM
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A locker is designed to assist when you only have 3 or two tires on the ground. Like v ditches, were you have to approach at an angle. Maybe going up a rock hill were you only have tracktion on the front tires and one rear.
I will say steps on a high tracktion surface can be done with no lockers given no uneven surfaces. You understand!!!! 
Get lockers if you realy want to conqure tough areas without worries about what wheel will be receiving torque.
Allow your driveing to screw you up not the Truck.
R2
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11-28-2003, 03:40 PM
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Yes R2, its not "cheap" but its $$$ being spent in a maner that won't be "re-done" later so to speak. Actually, if done right, a straight axle will out ride an ifs any day. My rig is a perfect example, leafs all the way around, and it rides better than any ifs rig could ever ride(gets called a limo,lol)
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11-25-2003, 11:11 PM
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Yes! Tracktion control cannot lock the front end.. The lockers provide me with a true positive lock.
I installed the Eaton E-Locker 9.2. It uses a push-in button like the rear. Locker $650 install $750
Tracktion control is ok but, you cannot depend on it. I do enough off-roading to justify a front locker ( and I mean hardcore )
I have been offroad every weekend for 2 months.
I love this thing!!!!
R2
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11-25-2003, 06:33 PM
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Actually I do not believe it is. TC2 cuts power to the spinning wheel. Front lockers - lock both wheels so they have equal power going to both wheels. Furthermore I do not believe TC2 is the same as true front lockers becuase R2 had front lockers put on his Hummer. 
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12-01-2003, 03:44 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
crash, what do you think a SAS would cost on an H2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats a hard call, it boild down to what front diff you want to run, and in that, you could easily spend 6k on a custom jobbie. And in my opinion, a dana 60 is probably just right for the weigth of that rig, and even with a basic diff, you will be into that close to 2500 just for a basic setup.. The steering box probably would be ok, and then you would have to either run leafs up front, or coils/coilovers with a 4 link (or 3 link w/panhard bar)...
But realisticly you could be into about 5-7k...
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11-26-2003, 04:31 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RockYoda:
True lockers give the driver control over wheel spin. Traction control gives the computer control over wheel spin. Who do you want to be in charge?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I want to be in charge!!  When we let the computer be in charge...horrible things can happen!!!!!! Didn't we all see the Terminator series? The Machines took over!!!!!!! 
That's probably the next big innovation GM has planned: All our rigs traction control systems will be linked to a master computer which controls, monitors and regulates our vehicles. They'll call thing "Traction-Net". Sure...this sounds all well & fine, but what happens when our traction control systems and Traction-Net become "conscious"???
We'll panic and try to pull the plug, but it'll be too late!! Hummers will be flying off the road. The machines will turn on us and a new era will come upon the planet: chaos & mayhem will reign upon us and we'll become the hunted!!!
Only one thing stands between us and our traction way of life: led by "The Chosen Taco"....we will come to embrace front-lockers. We'll reject traction control systems and fight for traction to the bitter end. This will mark humanities finest hour: cry traction and let loose the lockers of war!!!!!
Don't get me started.....oppps, too late!
ALTERNATIVE REPLY: I totally agree with you Frank!
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