Bored? The Funlands video is UP!!!!

[rockking]

Is the military aware of this fact. Perhaps you should inform them so that they can start utilizing them. Imagine the costs savings you could offer them.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rockking:
Is the military aware of this fact. Perhaps you should inform them so that they can start utilizing them. Imagine the costs savings you could offer them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blow it out your ass, noob. Then sit there and shut yer yap.

[rockking]

...sure you can. and little Susie really did take baby bear's H3 out of the garage!

[rockking]

I didn't see any difficult trails mentioned there......what about lower and upper helldarado.....everything else is the same trails that all vehicles (jeeps, sami's, bronco's, etc) run.
Hummer Club's opinion of obstacles is in no way the guidance. They're primarily interested in everyone just having a good "family" time together and not necessarily pushing the vehicles to their limits.
I will applaud you for your aggessive wheelin and definitely see you as one who's willing to push their truck. Again, don't be offended because of my opinion between the H1 and the H2. There are vehicles out there that make the H1 look like crap on the trails, however alot of H1 owners won't admit it.

By the way, where's that 1% where the H1 can go and the H2 can't?

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rockking:
By the way, where's that 1% where the H1 can go and the H2 can't? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gay Parades.

I bet rockking sucks a mean cock.

[rockking]

Don't have any pictures so whether I tell you I have or have seen it happen I'm a liar so we'll just leave it at that.

[rockking]

hey Dennis.....don't you have some male citizen to mount.......

[rockking]

Well actually if you were a member of the hummer club you would have access to prior events and would be able to see H1's on both obstacles.

Sorry, no ties, affliations or other known relationships with the funlands nor shipbuilder.

[DennisAJC]

I heart teh rockking.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rockking:
Well actually if you were a member of the hummer club you would have access to prior events and would be able to see H1's on both obstacles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I am and I don't.

[Psychobilly]

I have to offer some insight to all this. First off we'll look at this tree thing. Anywhere there is a road, trail, house, mall or porno shop where trees can grow...trees have been removed to make it. The Funland is a very young and very private off road park. The trails are all pretty new to wheelin use, some are old logging roads but are still grown in a good bit. If you guys watch the video you will see that the H2 had to remove trees to get through in places too. I personally am not fond of doing so but I just make sure no potential lumber grade trees are ever removed, that is a rule. We dont even scrape the bark off of a potential lumber grade or otherwise healthy tree. You must avoid these trees and if you even get near them you are hooking up a winch cable. The funland is actually more of a private hardcore rock crawling park, the majority of the trails were built for smaller jeep like trail buggy's, so for the hummers to run...H1's or H2's, there had to be some trees removed. I started clearing wider and straighter...easier (go ahead bash me...I can take it) trails for the hummers about a year ago when George (who usually runs his Mog over the rocks there) expressed interest in having some of you guys out for a ride. So some trees died, had the funland stayed open only to jeep like vehicles more trees would be alive but trees are cut for worse reasons every single day if you ask my opinion on the matter. You guys need to come to even terms on that one because h1 or h2 it dont matter, either or is not as friendly to the forest as a smaller-lighter vehicle. The video didnt do a good representation however just because of the tree huggers be damned part of it. We are actually very enviro-conscious at the funland, we only cross the streams at 90* angles, we have dug diversion ditches to prevent run off and errosion, anyone wheeling there has me or someone I or the land owners personally select guiding them to ensure the proper trails, and only the proper trails are run and run in a proper manor, making sure everyone stays on the property, there is no littering or otherwise malicious behavior. That is why the funland is by invite only, we keep it very policed and controled and its environment respected to prevent any problems, even though it is private.

Now for the H1-H2 debate. No stock vehicle does well in the funland. The H2 actually did ok for as big and low as it is, so I thought, performing how I assumed it would. It could of been beat on a little harder yes.... but shipbldr didnt baby it by any means either. He had expert level guides helping with lines and giving pointers, not one of you would of faired any better without taking more damage or moding your hummer. No one vehicle is going to do better everywhere but with funland like terrain the H1 will almost always manhandle the h2 and that is the final word on it. Slap a solid front axle in that h2 and some clearance then its a different story. Ultimatly though the funland is more of a small and highly modified vehicle type terrain, its really not best suited for any hummer so when someone has one in there they take a beatin and the machines are definatly pushed to the limits.

Oh yea, we also do not allow rock stacking or moving rocks under any circumstances at the funland. If you run those trails, you earned it, you didnt pave it. Our trails, even the easiest of them are far more challenging than what that video lets you believe.

This is an idea of what kind of trails make up the core of the funland. We have the hard trails, some of the most challenging stuff you can find anywhere if you guys wanna say an h2 has run a hard one, I'll set up the ride for you.







The trees still seem to be doing fine too...

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Psychobilly:
I have to offer some insight to all this. First off we'll look at this tree thing. Anywhere there is a trail where trees can grow...trees have been removed to make it. The Funland is a very young and very private off road park. The trails are all pretty new to wheelin use, some are old logging roads but are still grown in a good bit. If you guys watch the video you will see that the H2 had to remove trees to get through in places too. I personally am not fond of doing so but I just make sure no potential lumber grade trees are ever removed, that is a rule <span class="ev_code_RED">So I guess if you're stuck around lumber grade trees, you'll have to abandon your vehicle?</span>.

We dont even scrape the bark off of a potential lumber grade or otherwise healthy tree <span class="ev_code_RED">But you tell them to expect CARNAGE? From what? Your teef?</span> .

You must avoid these trees and if you even get near them you are hooking up a winch cable <span class="ev_code_RED">Uhhhh OK</span> .

The funland is actually a private hardcore rock crawling park, the majority of the trails were built for smaller jeep like trail buggy's, so for the hummers to run...H1's or H2's, there had to be some trees removed <span class="ev_code_RED">Uhhhh again OK</span> .

I started clearing wider and straighter...easier (go ahead bash me...I can take it) trails for the hummers about a year ago when George (who usually runs his Mog over the rocks there) expressed interest in having some of you guys out for a ride. So some trees died, had the funland stayed open only to jeep like vehicles more trees would be alive but trees are cut for worse reasons every single day if you ask my opinion. You guys need to come to even terms on that one because h1 or h2 it dont matter, either or is not as friendly to the forest as a smaller-lighter vehicle. Were actually protecting the forest there by keeping the land from becoming developed. The video didnt do a good representation however just because of the tree huggers be damned part of it. We are actually very enviro-conscious at the funland, we only cross the streams at 90* angles, we have dug diversion ditches to prevent run off and errosion, anyone wheeling there has me or someone I personally select guiding them to ensure the proper trails, and only the proper trails are run and run in a proper manor, making sure everyone stays on the property, there is no littering or otherwise malicious behavior. That is why the funland is by invite only, we keep it very policed and controled and its environment respected to prevent any problems, even though it is private. <span class="ev_code_RED">I've heard that speech before. Nice.</span>


Now for the H1-H2 debate. No stock vehicle does well in the funland. The H2 actually did ok for as big and low as it is, so I thought, performing how I assumed it would. It could of been beat on a little harder yes.. but shipbldr didnt baby it by any means <span class="ev_code_RED">I guess you didn't watch the video.</span> .

He had expert level guides helping with lines and giving pointers <span class="ev_code_RED">I would be laughing if I wasn't puking.</span> ,



not one of you would of faired any better without taking more damage. <span class="ev_code_RED">So I'm right in saying George must suck a mean cock for you to thing he's the end all be all for an H2 in Cumland? I'm sure the first time you tasted your cousin's bung hole you thought that was the best it could get for chocolate. But if you tried your brother's, you might change your mind.</span>



With funland like terrain the H1 will almost always manhandle the h2 and that is the final word on it. <span class="ev_code_RED">Thank you Mr.... Who the **** are you again? </span>


Oh yea, we also do not allow rock stacking or moving rocks under any circumstances at the funland. <span class="ev_code_RED">But you can cut down the trees?</span> If you run our trails, you earned it, you didnt pave it. Our trails, even the easiest of them are far more challenging than what that video lets you believe.

This is an idea of what kind of trails make up the core of the funland.


<span class="ev_code_RED">THANK YOU FOR YOUR FULL OF **** EXPLANATION. Now go feed the hens. </span>
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Psychobilly:
I have to offer some insight to all this. First off we'll look at this tree thing. Anywhere there is a road, trail, house, mall or porno shop where trees can grow...trees have been removed to make it. The Funland is a very young and very private off road park. The trails are all pretty new to wheelin use, some are old logging roads but are still grown in a good bit. If you guys watch the video you will see that the H2 had to remove trees to get through in places too. I personally am not fond of doing so but I just make sure no potential lumber grade trees are ever removed, that is a rule. We dont even scrape the bark off of a potential lumber grade or otherwise healthy tree. You must avoid these trees and if you even get near them you are hooking up a winch cable. The funland is actually more of a private hardcore rock crawling park, the majority of the trails were built for smaller jeep like trail buggy's, so for the hummers to run...H1's or H2's, there had to be some trees removed. I started clearing wider and straighter...easier (go ahead bash me...I can take it) trails for the hummers about a year ago when George (who usually runs his Mog over the rocks there) expressed interest in having some of you guys out for a ride. So some trees died, had the funland stayed open only to jeep like vehicles more trees would be alive but trees are cut for worse reasons every single day if you ask my opinion on the matter. You guys need to come to even terms on that one because h1 or h2 it dont matter, either or is not as friendly to the forest as a smaller-lighter vehicle. The video didnt do a good representation however just because of the tree huggers be damned part of it. We are actually very enviro-conscious at the funland, we only cross the streams at 90* angles, we have dug diversion ditches to prevent run off and errosion, anyone wheeling there has me or someone I or the land owners personally select guiding them to ensure the proper trails, and only the proper trails are run and run in a proper manor, making sure everyone stays on the property, there is no littering or otherwise malicious behavior. That is why the funland is by invite only, we keep it very policed and controled and its environment respected to prevent any problems, even though it is private.

Now for the H1-H2 debate. No stock vehicle does well in the funland. The H2 actually did ok for as big and low as it is, so I thought, performing how I assumed it would. It could of been beat on a little harder yes.... but shipbldr didnt baby it by any means either. He had expert level guides helping with lines and giving pointers, not one of you would of faired any better without taking more damage or moding your hummer. No one vehicle is going to do better everywhere but with funland like terrain the H1 will almost always manhandle the h2 and that is the final word on it. Slap a solid front axle in that h2 and some clearance then its a different story. Ultimatly though the funland is more of a small and highly modified vehicle type terrain, its really not best suited for any hummer so when someone has one in there they take a beatin and the machines are definatly pushed to the limits.

Oh yea, we also do not allow rock stacking or moving rocks under any circumstances at the funland. If you run those trails, you earned it, you didnt pave it. Our trails, even the easiest of them are far more challenging than what that video lets you believe.

This is an idea of what kind of trails make up the core of the funland. We have the hard trails, some of the most challenging stuff you can find anywhere if you guys wanna say an h2 has run a hard one, I'll set up the ride for you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Man, you guys are ghey. I don't care if you run your rock buggy up to the top of a 2000 year old cypress just to break it over, just don't put it on video to share with the world. And certainly don't try to justify by saying you are "blazing" a trail. Private land or not. It's simply not responsible.

It is the stupid ****s in crap built rigs that get off-trail just to prove that they can climb a little ledge or run over a damn tree that is causing public trails across the U.S. to get closed.

As far as your debate on vehicles, it makes about as much sense as windshield wipers on a goat's ass. I could show you pictures of a ****ing lake and tell you to try and get your little buggy across it...... get it. Understand scale. A piece of crap rock buggy is built for one purpose, albeit a fun purpose. We wheel our H2s where they are capable of going and would no more put them on a UROC course as we would try to cross a lake.

Same thing with H1s, except you can go buy a 10 year old beater and beat the crap out of it. Guess what? The oldest H2 is a little over 3 years old and very few people take their 3 year old vehicles out on trails knowing that carnage is going to happen. We try the hardest trails we can where we can make it through without breaking. Only wannabes would expect anything different.

The debate has been that H2s can't keep up with H1s and simply have shown that they can given the same level of comfort in the carnage area. I don't understand why it is such a problem to swallow. AM General worked with GM to come up with a design for the H2 to make it a capable vehicle and GM designed the interior to make it a comfortable vehicle. The H2 is made by AM General at the same location as the H1. It really shouldn't be that big of a stretch.

And lastly, to show how utterly incoherrant you are on the whole issue of vehicle dynamics. You state that the H2 would fair better with a SFA but state that the H1 will manhandle the H2 with it's 4 corner IS and very, very poor articulation. Sorry, but you're not allowed to have your cake and eat it too.

[RazM]

The H3 kicks all your asses

[Psychobilly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Thank you Mr.... Who the **** are you again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm an expert, I dont need to ask you who you are by the way, you've already told me that your a rookie. What more you need to know? I spelled it all out for you. You few asshats realize your representing all h2 owners when you speak like that on here? Your promoting this hobby in a sour light yourselves. Furthermore on the video, I had no idea it was being made. Had I known i would of asked to see it before it as released at least but no biggie. Fact remains that trees are cut for worse things every day and I myself dont have to cut any more of them to run the trails. Maybe I should heed what you guys say and just keep all the hummers out to save the trees? Hows that sound, sounds like a black eye to me saying that they are not allowd in there because they cause more damage, kill more trees.....and that is what your getting at, right? And why is it alright to clear cut land or timber it with machines that do more damage in one week than wheelers could do in a lifetime? You rookies need to get your bearings straight, were building trails, opening more trails, not closing them...get the picture? I dont like to see any of the trees removed but they get removed, deal with it...

[Psychobilly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The H2 is made by AM General at the same location as the H1. It really shouldn't be that big of a stretch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its far far less of a stretch to compare it to a 2500 chevy if you want to be specific. It was not my intention to bash the H2's by any means, just adding factual insight into the argument and the fact is the H1 will and does perform better at the funlands. I however have no intentions to argue with the ill equiped who appear to have flocked here, I have nothing to prove or gain from it. Have a good one.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Psychobilly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Thank you Mr.... Who the **** are you again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm an expert, I dont need to ask you who you are by the way, you've already told me that your a rookie. What more you need to know? I spelled it all out for you. You few asshats realize your representing all h2 owners when you speak like that on here? Your promoting this hobby in a sour light yourselves. Furthermore on the video, I had no idea it was being made. Had I known i would of asked to see it before it as released at least but no biggie. Fact remains that trees are cut for worse things every day and I myself dont have to cut any more of them to run the trails. Maybe I should heed what you guys say and just keep all the hummers out to save the trees? Hows that sound, sounds like a black eye to me saying that they are not allowd in there because they cause more damage, kill more trees.....and that is what your getting at, right? And why is it alright to clear cut land or timber it with machines that do more damage in one week than wheelers could do in a lifetime? You rookies need to get your bearings straight, were building trails, opening more trails, not closing them...get the picture? I dont like to see any of the trees removed but they get removed, deal with it... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>An expert at shortsighted ignorance.... that would be about it. Why in the world would one assume people here are "rookies?" Because we prefer to be able to drive our rig 1000 miles, wheel it, and then be able to drive it back home all in relative luxury and comfort.

Are you too stupid to realize that many of us graduated from riding the trails in broken down pieces of crap because we made a little money and can afford something that can offer both worlds. Naaww, you're an EXPERT, you can't be that damn stupid.

I am betting you don't know crap about wheeling, this funlands place or your ass from a hole in the wall. Speaking of asses, get your head out of it. Comparing tree harvesting to random vandalization shows more of your EXPERT intelligence. Tell you what, ban Hummers from that craphole that no one knows exists. Come back and let us know when you want to join the adults and discuss the real issues that concern people who like to wheel the trails across our country.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Personally I hope to see more private developements opening up around the country, I think this whole thing got a little overblown based on SOME of the content of a video that I can honsetly say I didn't watch all of (I couldn't sit through Titanic either...both were waaaaay to freakin long for my short attention span).

Anyways, just my 2cents...

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Honestly, I haven't watched the video...... not a bit. Don't need to because of some of the positions certain individuals have taken in this thread. I am simply responding to the idiotic justifications based on some of the different views on the video.

[shipbldr]

Alec and I had some great PM exchanges last night.

(Absolutely no sarcasm here)

And I think he raised some good points about the tree thing. My personal feels about it aside, I think Alec has a point that it does nothing for the greater.

I think that some of the guys from out west have some real concerns about the politics of the matter, deal with some real crap helping keep the trails open, and I don't think it's asking too much to show them some support.

About 4 hours ago we did some edits to the video, trimmed out the 90 or so seconds of chainsaw footage from the 2 spots it appears, and started a fresh compile which will start later tonight when I will replace the source on the server.

Please don't anyone get on Alec about this, he did not request it. He has some real concerns about the politics of the matter and I think they are valid. So changes made.