not again!

[KenP]

Now this high altitude stuff starting to scare me. A drive from here, about 10' above MLLW at the garage, to there, WAY HIGH, is going to cause problems. Maybe I shouldn't go to MOAB... Whatever...

[DRTYFN]

Remember the this Disco that was crapped out half-way up the beginning of BLB?
I think Fins'n'Things is a good primer. So is 7 Mile Rim.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Did you lose your cherry over 12K? If so, what was his name? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not take yourself your own woman (or whatever your preference is) to 12K' and worry about your own cherry? I will be happy to offer my expertise if you need some coaching beforehand.

QUOTE]

I take it that's a big NO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you have every right to be mistaken, Tim. But as a gemtleman, I will not say either way. I certainly have no intention of posting details of our private life on this website. Too bad you and Kira couldn't have met up with us. You would have a much clearer idea of things. Prhaps Moab will clear things up for you.

Honestly, Tim, I'm kind of surprised. I wouldn't go asking you for details about you and Kira, let alone asking you to post them on a public forum. Sufficeth to say, I would never compromise Blondie's reputation for the opportunity to brag here. 'nuff said. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UHM- I really don't want to know either.
It's a joke! GET IT? A JOKE!
NEVERMIND! Don't know if I'll find out in Moab though. Oct may not work for us.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Kenny,

Don't be a (insert endearing term for "cat" here). I'm at altitude every winter weekend and just got back from CO where we cleared 12,000 feet a few times with no problem. You'll need a better excuse than that to wimp out! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Damn...

[LoLo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
They do have Baby Lion's Back for babies </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...would that be "kitten's back"?

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Trying to help with CB antennas??? LMAO!!!! You knew we were leaving to run it but stayed to dick around with CBs. What a convenient excuse. I don't know what was stopping you from going up after us. You only had 3 more days to do it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike you, DRTY, there really are people who don't leave their friends behind and in disrepair. Nowhere did I say I was trying to help out. The kid at Radioshack didn't know jack about tuning dual antenna rigs. It took quite a while and I had to explain it to him after letting him screw it up. If you doubt this, ask Tim.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Your lack of ANY type of details is deafening after all of your crowing about meeting up with your dream girl. Hell, you were blabbering about how you two were going to meet and then... nothing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gosh, DRTY, at the time, I considered you a good friend and trusted you. Shame on me for being so naive. I thought you would have been happy for me. Instead, you wrote PM’s to my girlfriend telling her that you thought we were a bad match. At this point, honestly, why would I confide anything to you?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Not a peep, except to say you were being a "gentleman". You suddenly got as tight-lipped as the Vatican is about child-molesting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your Vatican analogy implies that you think something did
happen between me and H2B. You need to get your opinion straight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
As for your "expertise" on cherry losing... Thanks, but no thanks. I'll keep my rectum intact. Being "that" kind of "gentleman" doesn't work for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well then how do you explain your hitting on H2B behind my back? And why do you keep pimping me for details? Why this fascination with my situation? Frankly, it seems pathological. I reiterate, Why not find your own woman (or whatever your preference is)? As far as the gentleman thing goes, do you really think that your references to donkey punches, blumpkins and dirty sanchez' will ever attract women to you? Time to grow up and get your own life, DRTY. Criticizing others is wearing desperately thin for you.

Now how about burying the hatchet? I have asked you this before.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Good place to start to prime the pump. BTW, what's up with that rock to the right? Looks like a nice steep climb at the top. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not climbable. But I did take a leak on it.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!!!

That's some funny but true **** Tower. You did initiate it with us. You should know the nature of this group.

It WAS all in good fun but it seems you couldn't swallow your own medicine.

Keep your ego in check and mabye you won't get picked on so much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't know "EGO" is measured in lbs.

[KenP]

http://www.gcsar.org/index.html

02- 9 3- 25- 02 Search on Fins and Things The Mom went shopping in Cortez thinking the Dad and kids were going up to Moab to do Fins and Things. He didn't return and she called.
We responded, dividing into 2 groups to 4 wheeler along all the roads north of Sand Flats and south of Negro Bill.
At 4 am, he showed up at North Maverick. He had been on Poison Spider and was later for being lost several times after dark.
Comments: It has been said that one should not vary a flight plan once filed.
Responders: Frank, Sam, Nancy, Bego, Dave, Lee

02- 12 3- 30- 02 The stoopids get lucky at Lion's Back This was one amazing event.
Two teen boys and 2 teen girls start up Lion's Back. Part way up they came face to face with a descending vehicle. They roll backwards a bit and start to tip. One guy gets out. The vehicle rolls back a bit more and..........rolls side over, then woosh.... off the fin, thru the air and big wham into the crack below. Witnessed by hundreds of onlookers.
The call came in as "Jeep off Lion's Back." Gasp. Archie was there shortly, Louis too. The DPS helo circled above with Steve White talking to dispatch. Responders from town roared up the hill. EMTs climbed up the crack expecting to find total carnage. Arches Helicopters was paged.
Curt Brewer stepped in as IC and a helo LZ was established on the road cuz there were jeeps and people packed in all over the landscape.
Fire Chief Corky was first to helo in to assess extrication needs. By then, the EMTs had one girl on a backboard so out she came. Another rescuer and litter were flown in and the second gal was lifted out. Another litter went in and it took some more time to extricate and stabilize the male driver. Out he went. Time for all this was about 1 hour.
And that's the short version of an event that had 10,000 more convolutions, parts and pieces.
Turns out, the major injuries were a broken arm and a bruised pelvis. At first glance, we figured rather a heap.
Comments: Silt hereby bestows some kind of award on the EMTs and Deputies and helpers for outstanding energy and aplomb in a very awKward place.. Two Extra Rations of Grog go to Arches Helicopters pilot John Ruhl. Awesome.
Responders: Maybe 50? To those who participated, THANK YOU.

02- 15 4- 11- 02 Appalling 4 WD roll over on Hell's Revenge Two 4 WD parties, leap frogging each other for the day on Hell's Revenge. At a place called The Fin, the party with 5 4WDs made it down safely. The first of 2 4 WDs in the second party also made it down. Most in the first party were walking around, watching the last vehicle descend.
The 4WD veered off course to the right, dropped off a little overhang and started rolling. The driver was thrown out and rolled down the steep sandstone slope just ahead of the 4WD. His passenger was not ejected. Part way down the slope, the 4WD came to a stop. When the passenger stepped out, the 4WD started rolling again.
It immediately rolled OVER a guy who was coming up to help. The rest of the crowd parted except a 7 year old who got knocked 30 feet thru the air to land on some brush and sand. The 4WD continued down to a stout juniper.
An immediate cell phone to 911 indicating severe injuries to 3 people. An immediate page for ambulance, GCSAR, Arches Helicopters and Care Flight.
Like the speed of light, everyone responded. Arches Helos flew in an EMT. At the same time, GCSAR made a Landing Zone for the helo near the ambulances. The helo flew in 2 loads of EMTs and equipment. Shortly later, Care Flight lands too. Pretty dang fast, huh?
All 3 subjects were flown to St, Mary's. Deputy Neal came out to investigate the crash site.

Comments: In Charles Well's jeeping book, waypoint 18 says this: "You'll pass a vehicle sized depression before starting down a steep ridgeline off the slickrock. Use a spotter. A miscue here could send you tumbling down the slope." (see photo # 9). Miscue indeed.
There is compelling evidence that the driver had been drinking at least "some" beer. At first he wanted to know how his 4WD fared and didn't know yet that it had hurt 2 bystanders. His passenger walked away with scrapes.
The driver was barely hurt after all. The 7 year old bystander suffered a broken leg and a big scare. The bystander gentleman who got rolled over suffered major internal stuff but will recover over a half year. That, somehow, doesn't seem right and is one of the hard things about this job.
The 7 year old had her parents, grandpa and little sister on the trip. The dad who got rolled over had his 16 year old son along. This kid helped where he could the whole time. Awesomely brave. After Care Flight left, he LOST it big. Watching that is one of the hard things about this job.
Responders: Rex, Brad and a bunch more.

Flash Flooding in Canyonlands National Park- Hummer as boat- frightening ride for a family

On Saturday, September 7, at approximately 4:15 pm, the Island-in-the-Sky District of Canyonlands National Park was buffeted by high winds and torrential rains that deposited 3/4" of water in under one hour. There were extensive backcountry road wash-outs accompanied by flash-flooding. The flash flooding was the most significant flooding documented in the history of the Island in the Sky.
At approximately 6pm, a family of four from Provo, Utah, was driving up Taylor Canyon. The four wheel drive road winds in and out of a dry wash. At approximately 6 pm, the family saw a four inch curb of water approaching them down the wash. Within a minute, the water had swelled up to mid-level of the windshield of their 1998 Humvee and shortly thereafter was 10' deep.
At peak flow the wash was estimated to be flowing at approximately 2,000 cubic feet per second which is nearly double the current flow of the Colorado River. The wash was approximately 300' wide at peak flow with a water temperature of approximately 55 degrees.
The vehicle floated downstream for approximately 4 miles over the next 15 minutes at which time the family was able to exit the vehicle, get to shore, and seek shelter in an alcove. During this process, the father stated he had to swim with his 5 month old and 3 year old sons tucked under his arms after exiting from a door while his wife was exiting through a window.
Later in the night their cries for help were overheard by campers nearby, who took them in for the night, and gave them a ride out to the Island in the Sky Visitor Center the following morning.
The vehicle was recovered and is totaled. Vehicle loss is estimated at $60,000.
The 100 mile White Rim backcountry road is currently closed to through traffic. A damage assessment is being conducted on the backcountry road system. Cost estimates for the repair of extensive damage will be completed.
The Shafer Trail may take several months to repair and will remain closed until repairs are done. It is hopeful that repairs at Upheaval Bottom, Taylor Canyon and Lathrop Canyon can be completed within the next week. Ranger Paul Downey was the Incident Commander. [Steve Swanke, RISKY]

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I have been to Moab four times. And all four times I said no thanks... I still won't do it! Nor did I feel that I was being left behind either! LMAO! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Great attitude timgco. Imho, "dare" & "double-dare" are for nickleodeon tots. Adults that succumb to peer pressure are idiots.

Still, PEWTER POWER RULES!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no, there's no peer pressure on LB or any other obstacles(at least not for the non pewters). If you're not comfortable doing something it would be courting disaster to pressure someone into doing it. If you froze up on LB it could potentially be fatal.

[h2co-pilot]

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Now this high altitude stuff starting to scare me. A drive from here, about 10' above MLLW at the garage, to there, WAY HIGH, is going to cause problems. Maybe I shouldn't go to MOAB... Whatever... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I new your were going to be too scared to go to Moab. JK

[tower]

Well, DRTY, if that's the best you can come up with when the gloves are off, I guess I'm in pretty good shape. I can take the hit and then some. So now I'm asking for the third time; do we bury the hatchet or continue this ridiculous feuding?

[dochummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Well, I got it back today. They told me that the full size Chevy vans have the same issue and the FUEL PUMP has been the issue.

So sice they could not duplicate, that's what they went with. They changed out the fuel pump and said it should be fine. I'll find out Friday at let you all know.

If not, it will be strike TWO... provided i make it off the mountain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey timgco, or to whomever else is interested... I was chatting with the local GM rep here and he mentioned that the 05's were having a huge problem at high altitude or high temperatures (I thought of you )and he said that apparantely the issue is indeed with the fuel pump/system and they have a fix for it now. He said that new parts will be available next week...it's been all the talk in his parts division...the only problem is that there is no recall or service bulletin written up for it...as far as he knows. This is probably old news for you, but thought it was good that GM now has an official fix...

[PARAGON]

This thread has to rate pretty high on the wierdo scale. Lolo, you can dress it up all you want. It played out right here. Tower relentlessly went after H2cp about a sister until you showed up to barter with yours. He then got others involved in his flirting but got his feelings hurt somehow about something. But the really wierd **** is that after he says something akin to praying to God that he gets to bang the sister when do their first meet (remember Dennis' Scene 6 Act 4) but wants to turn all gentlemanly.

It gives me the willies because this is the second time someone has said that I need to show up in Moab to see this. Tower said it first a while back when I brought up how strange this all sounded and now Lolo is saying the same thing like it some sort of freak show you just have to see to believe. Some of this crap just doesn't sound right.

[Spenser]

Stupid question perhaps, but could you have gotten some bad fuel? Onstar says nothing wrong, thus it would seem it could be a fuel problem of some sort. I had a problem with my computer at high altitudes, but there was a code. Either way, good luck, and I hope it's all that simple.

Spenser
2005 Stealth Gray SUV

[Hummertech]

There could be an updated computer calibration to correct high altitude driveability concerns. But if you want my opinion, I think your problem may be a fuel pump. Sometimes they have to be run for a long time before they start to act up, then when they get towed to the shop, they don't act up. Also, the fuel pump is one of only a few things that will act up and not set any codes.

[KenP]

I hope I get left behind lik... uh.... No... I mean, I hope I don't get left behind. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Seen it?
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/jeephill.html

Nice pic:

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dochummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Well, I got it back today. They told me that the full size Chevy vans have the same issue and the FUEL PUMP has been the issue.

So sice they could not duplicate, that's what they went with. They changed out the fuel pump and said it should be fine. I'll find out Friday at let you all know.

If not, it will be strike TWO... provided i make it off the mountain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey timgco, or to whomever else is interested... I was chatting with the local GM rep here and he mentioned that the 05's were having a huge problem at high altitude or high temperatures (I thought of you )and he said that apparantely the issue is indeed with the fuel pump/system and they have a fix for it now. He said that new parts will be available next week...it's been all the talk in his parts division...the only problem is that there is no recall or service bulletin written up for it...as far as he knows. This is probably old news for you, but thought it was good that GM now has an official fix... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

NICE! Thanks for the update. Since they replaced my fuel pump I have had it to 14000ft (MT Evans) and had no issues, but I have not had it in the dust and at altitude to put my concerns at ease. I appreciate the update.

[NoMoGMPG]

A few things come to mind:

Faulty pressure sensor in the fuel pump module.

Faulty fuel cap.

Barometric sensor.

Something to do with the fuel return line being pinched or clogged.

Some things to consider.